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Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I dont like the house, but w.e....

Sat, 02 Oct 2010 09:34:46 +0000

Author: Ginger
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/02/2010 at 9:34am

I dont like the house, but w.e. Better than losing SS altoghether

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I used to like the house..still...

Sat, 02 Oct 2010 09:19:44 +0000

Author: JandJBlks2k
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/02/2010 at 9:19am

I used to like the house..still do..recommended both TH and SS to many people..matter of fact bro just ordered something from house..and my gf is just about to as well..she can't decide yet what boots to get..honestly, I used to order everything from the house for years..even the beginning or last year I got almost all of my 2010 gears from them prior discovering SS..after surfing SS site, I found out that they were selling all the products I purchased from the house wayyy lot cheaper..Called the house for a price adjustment which, after a long series of struggle with their cool aid customer service, they finally gave me a store credit for the difference which was almost 3 bills!!! HUGE PRICE GAP huh..lol..but it is what it is..what can we do now right..so for that store credit, I went on another snow clothing galore!! even spoke with "dave" too! I guess he's their equivalent of doug of SS lol..cool cat though! seriously!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : sounds like doug is the unofficial...

Sat, 02 Oct 2010 04:56:28 +0000

Author: mech9t5
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/02/2010 at 4:56am

sounds like doug is the unofficial spokesperson/liason for the-house

good choice

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : kewl official response :)

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 22:36:42 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 10:36pm

kewl official response :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : finally some news... after being...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 21:15:39 +0000

Author: AyChan87
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 9:15pm

finally some news... after being kept in the dark for so long

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Check out the Sierra Snowboard...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 21:02:20 +0000

Author: dougfagel
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 9:02pm

Check out the Sierra Snowboard & The House Thread!!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by fostpaintAbsolutely...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 20:55:53 +0000

Author: kimchijajonshim
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 8:55pm

Originally posted by fostpaint

Absolutely agree on the UI. I never pay attention to the sellout risk stuff over there, so yeah.... As for deals, isn't that how the "industry" is supposed to work.

Even by the industry standard it's kind of weak. Beyond just other web sites (not counting Sierra, evogear and backcountry/dogfunk for example), I've probably seen superior pricing at most local shops I've been to except the really small ones.

I also went down to their retail location last year to play around with the new 2010 gear and wasn't that impressed with customer service.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Absolutely agree on the UI. I...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 20:34:44 +0000

Author: fostpaint
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 8:34pm

Absolutely agree on the UI. I never pay attention to the sellout risk stuff over there, so yeah.... As for deals, isn't that how the "industry" is supposed to work.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by fostpaint Originally...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 20:27:08 +0000

Author: kimchijajonshim
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 8:27pm

Originally posted by fostpaint

Originally posted by kimchijajonshim

Not a fan of the house. Depending on how transition to the new forum goes, I may or may not stick around. And +100000 to no points.

Curious-- what's your beef with the House?

Their pricing is not so good and they try to pass stuff off as amazing deals. I remember a few years back seeing some 3-year-old 5150 board being sold at 30% off. And of course the sellout risk on EVERYTHING is "Extremely High." On top of that their UI is not good.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by kimchijajonshimNot...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 20:04:16 +0000

Author: fostpaint
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 8:04pm

Originally posted by kimchijajonshim

Not a fan of the house. Depending on how transition to the new forum goes, I may or may not stick around. And +100000 to no points.

Curious-- what's your beef with the House?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Not a fan of the house. Depending...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 20:01:46 +0000

Author: kimchijajonshim
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 8:01pm

Not a fan of the house. Depending on how transition to the new forum goes, I may or may not stick around. And +100000 to no points.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BudAshesSierra...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 19:59:59 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 7:59pm

Originally posted by BudAshes

Sierra lives on, staff gets to stay and they are keeping the website. Not too shabby at all.

agreed, just got to wait to see what happens with the rest. I mean even at 30-40% off for sales, you can't complain :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Sierra lives on, staff gets to...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 19:05:28 +0000

Author: BudAshes
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 7:05pm

Sierra lives on, staff gets to stay and they are keeping the website. Not too shabby at all.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by campfortuneso,...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 19:02:40 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 7:02pm

Originally posted by campfortune

so, it means we won't be getting the same great deals as before..

Yes, because those great deals were in violation of vendor contracts. That's the same reason no other place has the same sales is because they abide by the contracts and don't break them.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Also for anyone who hasn't...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 18:34:01 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 6:34pm

Also for anyone who hasn't tried already http://trusnow.com/ directs to Sierra's page :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : well be interesting now to see...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 18:33:17 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 6:33pm

well be interesting now to see what happens, it was a good run for people overseas, if the shipping rates are reasonable on Trusnow I will still be buying stuff and when you filter out the crap from the forums there is still a lot of good info there which really helped a new boarder like myself. The instructional videos and advice given by the non-point spammers is awesome and I hope that stays

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : so, it means we won't be...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 17:07:43 +0000

Author: campfortune
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 5:07pm

so, it means we won't be getting the same great deals as before..

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : reading. it puts the 'fun'...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:58:18 +0000

Author: giftedhands
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 4:58pm

reading. it puts the 'fun' in fundamental.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by campfortunetoo...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:56:45 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 4:56pm

Originally posted by campfortune

too bad such a great site is closing. I brought some really great and inexpensive products from here.

Thanks Sierra.

RIP

Only the name is dieing, the site will live on.

Do you people read ANYTHING? The link posted above your post, READ IT.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : too bad such a great site is closing....

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:52:21 +0000

Author: campfortune
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 4:52pm

too bad such a great site is closing. I brought some really great and inexpensive products from here.

Thanks Sierra.

RIP

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by jeffalmonte89Damn,...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:12:19 +0000

Author: hana24
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 4:12pm

Originally posted by jeffalmonte89

Damn, I have a $100 gift card still. Do you guys think I should use it now, or just wait it out until some 2011 stuff comes in?

You should read this thread..toward the bottom of the first post

http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40152&PN=1&PID=865070#865070

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by jeffalmonte89Damn,...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:55:03 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 3:55pm

Originally posted by jeffalmonte89

Damn, I have a $100 gift card still. Do you guys think I should use it now, or just wait it out until some 2011 stuff comes in?

Use it now and buy some Forces, or 390 Boss. That's already 50% off after you use your card. I wouldn't even think twice. Here pick one pick a size and buy:
http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/Union-Force-Snowboard-Bindings.asp

http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/Rome-390-Boss-Snowboard-Bindings.asp

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by jeffalmonte89Damn,...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:54:01 +0000

Author: hana24
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 3:54pm

Originally posted by jeffalmonte89

Damn, I have a $100 gift card still. Do you guys think I should use it now, or just wait it out until some 2011 stuff comes in?

You might want to ask staff about their gift cards and whether or not they'll honor it

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Damn, I have a $100 gift card...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:48:41 +0000

Author: jeffalmonte89
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 3:48pm

Damn, I have a $100 gift card still. Do you guys think I should use it now, or just wait it out until some 2011 stuff comes in?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : damn i dont come on this site...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:25:45 +0000

Author: RastaRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 3:25pm

damn i dont come on this site all summer, its almost snow season again, i come back and sierrasnowboard is no longer

sad days indeed

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : As much as everyone would love...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 14:28:55 +0000

Author: partickus
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 2:28pm

As much as everyone would love a huge sale we all know that's not gunna happen

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by fishkurGood...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:14:21 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 1:14pm

Originally posted by fishkur

Good thing none of you are real! La-lala-lala...

Yes, we're just figments of your imagination.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by mattaleao Originally...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:12:05 +0000

Author: fishkur
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 1:12pm

Originally posted by mattaleao

Originally posted by lightning80

SS shoulda had a going-out-of-business sale before the court date and priced everything at 99% off...now the house/liquidators get to decide what to so w/ the stock...

....you are a waste of oxygen.

Good thing none of you are real! La-lala-lala...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by lightning80SS...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:05:52 +0000

Author: mattaleao
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 1:05pm

....you are a waste of oxygen.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by lightning80SS...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:46:52 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 12:46pm

That makes terrible business sense... The whole point is to sell off the company for as much money as possible, not to clear out all stock at a huge loss and then sell the company for less. It's wishful thinking though.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : This should be a lesson to all...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:30:22 +0000

Author: CoMtnRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 12:30pm

This should be a lesson to all of you, if you disagree with a contract and do not plan on honoring it, DO NOT sign it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : SS shoulda had a going-out-of-business...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:28:57 +0000

Author: lightning80
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 12:28pm

SS shoulda had a going-out-of-business sale before the court date and priced everything at 99% off...now the house/liquidators get to decide what to so w/ the stock...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by MiguelMasWait?...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:59:24 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 11:59am

Originally posted by MiguelMas

Wait? Sierra is bankrupt? And when it the 011 Burton stuff coming in? Did I win?

You won a bottle of Jameson...next time there's a meet up and ride. Isn't that what liquidation means? And bankrupt just means I spend my pay check on liquor and snowboard gear.

Happy Friday!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Wait? Sierra is bankrupt? And...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:25:17 +0000

Author: MiguelMas
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 10:25am

Wait? Sierra is bankrupt? And when it the 011 Burton stuff coming in? Did I win?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by fishkur Originally...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:23:38 +0000

Author: MTpow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 10:23am

Originally posted by fishkur

Originally posted by Scorer099

Originally posted by wpiass

has there been any actual confirmation of any bankruptcy? all i have ever seen on this thread is a bunch of speculation and BS, but no actual info.

comprehension fail.

Chill...not everyone's going to read a 25-page thread just to find a link to one article that may or may not exist. Yes, it does exist, but not until you find it.

its not that hard to find guy

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Scorer099 Originally...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 10:20:16 +0000

Author: fishkur
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 10:20am

Originally posted by Scorer099

Originally posted by wpiass

has there been any actual confirmation of any bankruptcy? all i have ever seen on this thread is a bunch of speculation and BS, but no actual info.

comprehension fail.

Chill...not everyone's going to read a 25-page thread just to find a link to one article that may or may not exist. Yes, it does exist, but not until you find it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : hahaha...well now listen to him,...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 09:46:27 +0000

Author: aserran0
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 9:46am

hahaha...well now listen to him, haha that fun bro but i like it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : articles, where?? who would've...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 09:40:52 +0000

Author: supcadence
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 9:40am

articles, where?? who would've thought that people would provide such things in a thread such as this !?!?!?!?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by wpiasshas...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 09:38:52 +0000

Author: Scorer099
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 9:38am

Originally posted by wpiass

has there been any actual confirmation of any bankruptcy? all i have ever seen on this thread is a bunch of speculation and BS, but no actual info.

comprehension fail.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Yea bro. Bankrupcy has definetly...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 04:34:11 +0000

Author: Gf_intelligence
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 4:34am

Yea bro. Bankrupcy has definetly been filed from all reports and sale is definite pending final approval on the 12th... everything else is speculative though and some of the comments make pretty good reading.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Seriously? There were links in...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 00:26:45 +0000

Author: apathetic_one
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 12:26am

Seriously? There were links in the thread to bankruptcy filings and a link yesterday to the sale confirmation, subject to final court approval on Oct. 12. Not sure how that counts a speculation...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : has there been any actual confirmation...

Fri, 01 Oct 2010 00:13:28 +0000

Author: wpiass
Subject: 39454
Posted: Oct/01/2010 at 12:13am

has there been any actual confirmation of any bankruptcy? all i have ever seen on this thread is a bunch of speculation and BS, but no actual info.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : oh yes... can somebody make me...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 23:51:37 +0000

Author: Dirtydragon
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 11:51pm

oh yes... can somebody make me a freaking RIP Sierra Sticker :(

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : damn RIP...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 23:50:30 +0000

Author: Dirtydragon
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 11:50pm

damn RIP...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by d15p4tchThinkin...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 21:14:51 +0000

Author: Boneseh
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 9:14pm

Originally posted by d15p4tch

Thinkin about picking up an RC in the next few days, since it's such a steal. do you guys think its risky due to the situation. I'm worried if I get the board and ever have problems with it I wont get much help from the "new" sierra. Or am I totally wrong and should buy this board ASAP, Or should I just buy it regardless?

It's a sick board, you should definitely pick one up.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by d15p4tchThinkin...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:15:43 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 7:15pm

you probably wouldn't have got much help in any event, given the board is made by Burton who ended their relationship with Sierra :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Thinkin about picking up an RC...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:33:42 +0000

Author: d15p4tch
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 6:33pm

Thinkin about picking up an RC in the next few days, since it's such a steal. do you guys think its risky due to the situation. I'm worried if I get the board and ever have problems with it I wont get much help from the "new" sierra. Or am I totally wrong and should buy this board ASAP, Or should I just buy it regardless?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Angry...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:17:38 +0000

Author: zakk
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 3:17pm

Originally posted by Angry Midget Yo

Originally posted by dcdomain

I just hope they don't pull a Chase. Not sure who here used Washington Mutual, but they had the BEST online experience out of all the retail banks. When Chase bought it, they got rid of it and replaced it with the crap that is Chase. Throwing a perfectly good thing out the window.

I loved Wamu! Chase blows! Even the employees hate Chase.

My brother worked for WaMu and now Chase. he says the culture difference is massive. and yes, they all hate working for Chase

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by dcdomainI...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:01:07 +0000

Author: Stryker
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 3:01pm

I hate when they do that. Can't wait to be a house member.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by dcdomainI...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:01:04 +0000

Author: Angry Midget Yo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 3:01pm

I loved Wamu! Chase blows! Even the employees hate Chase.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I just hope they don't pull...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:57:01 +0000

Author: dcdomain
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 2:57pm

I just hope they don't pull a Chase. Not sure who here used Washington Mutual, but they had the BEST online experience out of all the retail banks. When Chase bought it, they got rid of it and replaced it with the crap that is Chase. Throwing a perfectly good thing out the window.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ya i thought about that, which...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:53:06 +0000

Author: Alkasquawlik
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 2:53pm

ya i thought about that, which is why i said there are no points lol.

but i realize i may have just opened the floodgates

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Alkasquawlik Originally...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:52:38 +0000

Author: hana24
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 2:52pm

Originally posted by Alkasquawlik

Originally posted by determined

Originally posted by spenser

sierra is not the only one with member discounts.

Who? Care to name some sites. I've browsed alot of other snowboard e-tailers. Got a quite a few bookmarked too.

EasyLoungin/Porters has member discounts.

Thank god there is no points system though.

now you can't complain

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Alkasquawlik Originally...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:51:49 +0000

Author: mattaleao
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 2:51pm

Originally posted by Alkasquawlik

Originally posted by determined

Originally posted by spenser

sierra is not the only one with member discounts.

Who? Care to name some sites. I've browsed alot of other snowboard e-tailers. Got a quite a few bookmarked too.

EasyLoungin/Porters has member discounts.

Thank god there is no points system though.

I'm bookmarking this post for the inevitable thread on EL complaining about all the toolbags that have been joining.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : EDIT: edit post!!!

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:51:49 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 2:51pm

EDIT: edit post!!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : alka ssshhhhhh....

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:50:39 +0000

Author: MTpow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 2:50pm

alka ssshhhhhh....

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by determined Originally...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:49:27 +0000

Author: Alkasquawlik
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 2:49pm

Originally posted by determined

Originally posted by spenser

sierra is not the only one with member discounts.

Who? Care to name some sites. I've browsed alot of other snowboard e-tailers. Got a quite a few bookmarked too.

EasyLoungin/Porters has member discounts.

Thank god there is no points system though.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : truesnow looks pretty sweet to...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:12:05 +0000

Author: Zach0769
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 2:12pm

truesnow looks pretty sweet to me

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spensersierra...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:47:13 +0000

Author: determined
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 1:47pm

Originally posted by spenser

sierra is not the only one with member discounts.

Who? Care to name some sites. I've browsed alot of other snowboard e-tailers. Got a quite a few bookmarked too.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spensersierra...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:45:37 +0000

Author: IceCoast
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 1:45pm

Originally posted by spenser

sierra is not the only one with member discounts.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : sierra is not the only one with...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:44:28 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 1:44pm

sierra is not the only one with member discounts.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I guess this will be the...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:32:33 +0000

Author: determined
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 1:32pm

I guess this will be the sierrsnowboad forum to trusnow.com it seems, like easylougin to porters. They claim “More gear, new brands, the lowest prices. Over 15,000 new items, up to 55% off." So that's good. I'm still gonna find the best price even if it's not from trusnow.com. I've seen some items from other places that rival the old cheap SS prices at times.

People who bought ss branded gear your gear will now be LTD editions. So the name will live on.

The member discounts is what sets SS apart though. If they don't keep that it'll just be like any other e-tailer.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ^^ listen to himjust chill the...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:16:02 +0000

Author: elmers_cow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 1:16pm

^^ listen to him

just chill the shtook out.

Until the sales go away and sierra turns into any other online snowboard shop, we wait.
And when it happens:
thats when we complain!
thats when we cry
thats when we yell
thats when we bring the torches
thats when we bring the pitch forks
thats when we kill

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by MarummI...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:16:08 +0000

Author: MTpow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 12:16pm

Originally posted by Marumm

I have no problem with The House, but the rebranding looks to be a bummer. Ditching the Sierra UI would be a mistake too; this place is heaps easier to navigate and browse than most any other e-tailer, especially after the most recent overhaul several months ago.

I'm hopeful that they'll maintain the social aspects of the site, but I don't anticipate it will go well. If that were the case, I suspect they would have tried that on their own already.

That prices are due to get jacked up > 25% also probably isn't going to help much either.

i think everyone should quit speculating cuz its a waste of yer time... chill the fugg out and see what happens...when it happens.... dude dropped 8 mill... think about it

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I have no problem with The House,...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:13:20 +0000

Author: Marumm
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 12:13pm

I have no problem with The House, but the rebranding looks to be a bummer. Ditching the Sierra UI would be a mistake too; this place is heaps easier to navigate and browse than most any other e-tailer, especially after the most recent overhaul several months ago.

I'm hopeful that they'll maintain the social aspects of the site, but I don't anticipate it will go well. If that were the case, I suspect they would have tried that on their own already.

That prices are due to get jacked up > 25% also probably isn't going to help much either.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Totally a coincidence (thanks...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:11:38 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 12:11pm

Totally a coincidence (thanks Matt) and felt like it could be used....btw, Toobs are you really 29?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Alkasquawlik Originally...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:10:51 +0000

Author: rook
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 12:10pm

Originally posted by Alkasquawlik

Originally posted by Toobs

at least i can mount my new triads on them and hop around the house

it's the skierra way, right?

right, because you have never strapped in at home.......... we were all excited noobs at one point......

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Toobs at...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:01:03 +0000

Author: Alkasquawlik
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 12:01pm

Originally posted by Toobs

at least i can mount my new triads on them and hop around the house

it's the skierra way, right?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Toobs Originally...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:52:11 +0000

Author: Toobs
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 11:52am

Originally posted by Toobs

Originally posted by ippollite

Holy crap! i just learned the coupon still works. $199 on any sierra brand board.

You can search it on the forums :)

I used that "worldshopper" code today to buy my RC 160W, i didnt wanna miss out

oh snap i jus got shipping notification for my board i ordered 3hours ago, I love this company, to bad theres no snow, at least i can mount my new triads on them and hop around the house

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : do they ship into Canada?

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:48:20 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 11:48am

do they ship into Canada?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : haha i watched that movie the...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:27:44 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 10:27am

haha i watched that movie the other night.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : why not Rapies ?

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:21:41 +0000

Author: Toobs
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 10:21am

why not Rapies ?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : how much was he selling for? whats...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:19:26 +0000

Author: giftedhands
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 10:19am

how much was he selling for? whats the price + shipping to the lower 48? Does he have any floories?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BudAshes Originally...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:18:19 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 10:18am

Originally posted by BudAshes

Originally posted by spenser

Originally posted by winze

Trusnow doesn't ship Burton overseas :(

yeah, because they follow the rules.

snowboarders aren't usually big on rules.

maybe not douchy snowboarders, but businesses should be. expecting to get to do whatever you want without following the rules that everyone else has to in order to do what youre doing... is pretty stupid..

its like when a kid was trying to sell ecstasy in the shop a couple weeks ago, and he got mad at me when he got in trouble.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ippolliteHoly...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:17:29 +0000

Author: Toobs
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 10:17am

Originally posted by ippollite

Holy crap! i just learned the coupon still works. $199 on any sierra brand board.

You can search it on the forums :)

I used that "worldshopper" code today to buy my RC 160W, i didnt wanna miss out

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by marctheshark Originally...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:06:51 +0000

Author: BudAshes
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 10:06am

Originally posted by marctheshark

Originally posted by BudAshes

snowboarders aren't usually big on rules.

lol this is kind of a dumb statement, no?

Dumb but true.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by The_Guchithis...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:03:48 +0000

Author: mech9t5
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 10:03am

Originally posted by The_Guchi

this kinda sucks.... have to say i wish i would have started shopping here sooner

haha... you joined yesterday...

I joined at the end of march 2010 and my brother and I spent $3k on gear since then. Now I don't feel so bad. Consider it stocking up since all the deals will be gone.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : this kinda sucks.... have to say...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:42:58 +0000

Author: The_Guchi
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 9:42am

this kinda sucks.... have to say i wish i would have started shopping here sooner

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BudAshessnowboarders...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:38:29 +0000

Author: marctheshark
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 9:38am

Originally posted by BudAshes

snowboarders aren't usually big on rules.[/QUOTE]

lol this is kind of a dumb statement, no?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenser Originally...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:30:24 +0000

Author: BudAshes
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 9:30am

Originally posted by spenser

Originally posted by winze

Trusnow doesn't ship Burton overseas :(

yeah, because they follow the rules.

snowboarders aren't usually big on rules.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by MiguelMasI...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:22:39 +0000

Author: Boneseh
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 9:22am

Originally posted by MiguelMas

I second that.

Heyyy you got your third star Migs!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by azn_dan Originally...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:58:07 +0000

Author: richardvoyageur
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:58am

Originally posted by azn_dan

Originally posted by richardvoyageur

I guess I'm shafted again for snowboarding equipment since I'm sure the House won't have any kind of free shipping over $500. People in the States have it made when it comes to that stuff, you should see the prices here in Canada.

Thank god I bought a bunch of stuff last year as it'll have to do for a while. I don't believe I'll be shopping at the new site.

I wonder if they're going to be putting out their new stuff before the Oct final sale goes through...could be a really good time to buy

dude, i live in Canada (more specifically Ontario ->Toronto) and i still buy stuff here.

I just ship it to this little warehouse state side and whenever i do some state side shopping in buffalo, i just go and pick it up. I can give you more details if you want.

That is a great idea for anyone near the GTA, but it takes me 6 hours to go to Buffalo and the only time I go down there is to fly out, maybe once a year at most. It's just not convenient. My Sierra Crew will have to last a while :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by citacDoes...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:54:14 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:54am

Originally posted by citac

Does this mean that the former owners of Sierra can now make a new snow based company ? just asking

Whoever owned/operated sierrasnowboard still has all that know how as if he/she isnt going to get back in the game at some point, even if Burton doesnt want to deal with them because of their discounting theres so many other brands out their who still would sell to them ?

i just cant see why MaM would go do something so stupid and lose everything so quickly their must be a bigger picture...

Based on your number of posts, I'll just say what i always say "use the search function in the top middle area of the website and select the site tab so you search through the forums for your answer."

Didn't read a lot of posts since last night (edit: caught up now) when Bruizza posted the transworld link, but I'm happy for a few things:

1. most employees will keep their jobs
2. community is alive and well
3. it rained in southern california

Hopefully, with the end of points (if they end it,) the community will end up being more like a traditional enthusiast forum. And the ones that actually stick around will be just that, the ones that are enthusiast.

Also, I look forward to some days of shredding with some of the active members if there will be another "sierrapalooza/meet up."

Nice avatar Miguel.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Did you read the press release...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:49:36 +0000

Author: BRUIZZA
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:49am

Did you read the press release I linked Ty? It answers most of your questions if not all of them.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Can someone give a little clarification?...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:41:35 +0000

Author: ty
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:41am

Can someone give a little clarification? I thought some people were saying it was going to be like truesnow and others were saying it will actually become truesnow...

Is the SS community going to stay under the name SierraSnowboard.com, is everything moving to the house's website, or is it literally becoming truesnow.com?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : a little childish but...Steve...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:40:34 +0000

Author: mech9t5
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:40am

a little childish but...

Steve Poindexter bought sierra... haha.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by rookDie...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:40:27 +0000

Author: Peekaboo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:40am

Originally posted by rook

Die points, die......... Having said that I think this place will go the way of the BMB soon..... I mean really if you take away points who's left??? I think 20-30 members max (that would be a change for the better, but action would be way down).

I dunno, it might be a bit hard consider the credit. It would be awesome if Mike start up some kind of snowboarding company.

Anyone know when willl this change will put into effect?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by citacDoes...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:39:33 +0000

Author: rook
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:39am

he pulled a few million out of the company over that last few years.......so bigger picture = retirement, and I don't blame him.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Die points, die......... Having...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:37:57 +0000

Author: rook
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:37am

Die points, die......... Having said that I think this place will go the way of the BMB soon..... I mean really if you take away points who's left??? I think 20-30 members max (that would be a change for the better, but action would be way down).

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Does this mean that the former...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:35:44 +0000

Author: citac
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:35am

Does this mean that the former owners of Sierra can now make a new snow based company ? just asking

Whoever owned/operated sierrasnowboard still has all that know how as if he/she isnt going to get back in the game at some point, even if Burton doesnt want to deal with them because of their discounting theres so many other brands out their who still would sell to them ?

i just cant see why MaM would go do something so stupid and lose everything so quickly their must be a bigger picture...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Holy crap! i just learned the...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:33:56 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:33am

Holy crap! i just learned the coupon still works. $199 on any sierra brand board.

You can search it on the forums :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by barnyardSo,...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:28:39 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:28am

Originally posted by barnyard

So, we can still place orders through Sierra until the 12th, right?

If you want something order it now. If they don't ship they won't charge your credit card. Still good deals on boards right now.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : So, we can still place orders...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:25:16 +0000

Author: barnyard
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:25am

So, we can still place orders through Sierra until the 12th, right?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Yup, the points system killed...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:17:24 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:17am

Yup, the points system killed this site, I'd love to see it gone. With that said, I just received my free goggles a few days ago. I was going to buy them anyways, so it's nice to get some additional perks above everything else Sierra offers.

I hope they can build a better section for riding with other people in your area though, that would be very useful.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BFBFThe...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:14:27 +0000

Author: hana24
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:14am

Originally posted by BFBF

The sun will rise in the morning.

I ordered something from TRUSNOW a few years ago when it was a working site.

It was a Burton esquire coat for 50% off.

-quick delivery
- It was too big and they handled it very quickly.
- All in all, a good experience.

This might be a good thing as the "bottom feeders" for points will go back to the rock they crawled out from under and these forums can get back to normal.

Yes please!

I think the points system will go, daily giveaways may or may not...maybe a weekly giveaway?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I would be shocked if they kept...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:13:20 +0000

Author: CoMtnRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:13am

I would be shocked if they kept the point system to be honest. If they do I doubt the rewards would be as significant as they are now.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I second that.

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:12:59 +0000

Author: MiguelMas
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:12am

I second that.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BRUIZZAI...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:12:24 +0000

Author: MTpow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:12am

Originally posted by BRUIZZA

I personally hope they get rid of the point system.

agreed x 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I personally hope they get rid...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:10:19 +0000

Author: BRUIZZA
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:10am

I personally hope they get rid of the point system.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : it will always be sierra to me....

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:05:30 +0000

Author: ddomski
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 8:05am

it will always be sierra to me.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : The sun will rise in the morning. I...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:53:09 +0000

Author: BFBF
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 7:53am

The sun will rise in the morning.

I ordered something from TRUSNOW a few years ago when it was a working site.

It was a Burton esquire coat for 50% off.

-quick delivery
- It was too big and they handled it very quickly.
- All in all, a good experience.

This might be a good thing as the "bottom feeders" for points will go back to the rock they crawled out from under and these forums can get back to normal.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : If they change the store name...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:32:23 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 7:32am

If they change the store name I wonder where all those Sierra boards will go. They could give them all away like they currently do until they're gone.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : lol no need ippy. I did add in...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:26:13 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 7:26am

lol no need ippy. I did add in the winking emoticon just for that reason.

Well i guess the only thing is to wait and see how this plays out. 80% chance that the new site becomes like any other e-tailer without any community base and no reviews whatsoever.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation :

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:24:22 +0000

Author: VermontRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 7:24am

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : its likely the other way around....

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:21:29 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 7:21am

its likely the other way around. The daily giveaway is a personal retail choice purely from the business it potentially generates. The 10%+ discount, i have been led to believe, pisses off many of the manufacturers out there. I could have just dreamed that of course, i have no reference and i can even think of digging one out to corroborate it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I dont think Ellen is getting...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:18:50 +0000

Author: CoMtnRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 7:18am

I dont think Ellen is getting a call from the House anytime soon with a job offer. I could be wrong though.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by CoMtnRiderWell...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:15:57 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 7:15am

Originally posted by CoMtnRider

Well at least it's official and they do say the community will stick around. Now the real question is how much of the community will stick around without free daily boards and killer discounts. I'm happy to hear people kept their jobs though, thats always good news in this economy.

But i want to ask, those that kept their jobs.. are we talking about what? The 5 ppl that are working now. Off the top of my head i can only think of doug, beth, danny (the guy in the warehouse), mike m. ? Or are they bringing back all the old people too?

I personally think cutting out the daily giveaway is a must, but leaving the member discount will always be a good idea

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : this sucks :( going to miss sierra!...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:15:28 +0000

Author: scottkUMA
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 7:15am

this sucks :( going to miss sierra! hope my reverse crew lasts a long time D:

what are the chances that the new "trusnow" orwhatever still ships to aus? bye bye 10% discount though :(

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Now that they are sold I'm...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:14:44 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 7:14am

Now that they are sold I'm kicking myself for not picking up a Reverse Crew for under $200. I doubt they will go that low again and its probably safe to say there will not be anymore Sierra boards made.

Whats it at with a 10% discount? An extra $60? Its still a pretty awesome price for what is in effect a custom-v! I spend that in the first couple of hours of a normal saturday night out with my mates. And im not rich by any means either. Admittedly 35 of that is on a room to crash in :) But still... dont go out one friday or saturday and you've just made up the cost.

Also, you'll have a month to get a cashback if the price does go down randomly at any point prior to the transfer. On that issue, its definitely going to be interesting to see what they do with the sierra line though :)

And well, its over dudes. You can all complain, or you can all think "damn! i was jammy as hell to be buying my gear EXACTLY at a time when sierra and burton were having a spat!"

PS. Theyre still selling 2010 gear at 50% off plus your member discount! :) You can still snag a ridiculous bargain!

And well, you can still find cheap ass boards on craigslist and ebay. I got my quiver killer (2010 in March) for $120 on ebay. Its brand new as well. :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by CoMtnRiderWell...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:14:33 +0000

Author: killclimbz
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 7:14am

X2. So many people right now are bummed that the discounts are gone. Will they stick around?

It is good people will keep their jobs, at least for now. Still, changes are coming. If I read the release correct, this will no longer be sierra snowboard, forums or otherwise. I'm sure there will be redirect and all that for a good while.

I'll still hang around.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Well at least it's official...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:07:06 +0000

Author: CoMtnRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 7:07am

Well at least it's official and they do say the community will stick around. Now the real question is how much of the community will stick around without free daily boards and killer discounts. I'm happy to hear people kept their jobs though, thats always good news in this economy.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : this sucks hardcore

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:51:59 +0000

Author: jman91
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 6:51am

this sucks hardcore

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by richardvoyageurI...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:51:42 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 6:51am

Thank god I bought a bunch of stuff last year as it'll have to do for a while. I don't believe I'll be shopping at the new site.

I wonder if they're going to be putting out their new stuff before the Oct final sale goes through...could be a really good time to buy

dude, i live in Canada (more specifically Ontario ->Toronto) and i still buy stuff here.

I just ship it to this little warehouse state side and whenever i do some state side shopping in buffalo, i just go and pick it up. I can give you more details if you want.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Now that they are sold I'm...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:49:58 +0000

Author: soulseller
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 6:49am

Now that they are sold I'm kicking myself for not picking up a Reverse Crew for under $200. I doubt they will go that low again and its probably safe to say there will not be anymore Sierra boards made.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I guess I'm shafted again...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:49:05 +0000

Author: richardvoyageur
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 6:49am

I guess I'm shafted again for snowboarding equipment since I'm sure the House won't have any kind of free shipping over $500. People in the States have it made when it comes to that stuff, you should see the prices here in Canada.

Thank god I bought a bunch of stuff last year as it'll have to do for a while. I don't believe I'll be shopping at the new site.

I wonder if they're going to be putting out their new stuff before the Oct final sale goes through...could be a really good time to buy

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : oh wow, that is really cheap for...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:32:53 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 6:32am

oh wow, that is really cheap for you guys. Just put in an order myself, just incase things change for the worst here

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by winzeCustom/freight...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:29:25 +0000

Author: bugsbunnymydad
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 6:29am

Originally posted by winze

Custom/freight forwarding is still expensive as anything for people in AUS. Yes it is cheaper but not by enough.

Discounted shipping would be nice at the least like Sierra does. I have paid for shipping on several orders that were under $500 and had no problem doing that for the reasonable and fair prices Sierra could do it for.

Yea sierra has good rates for international shipping. I ordered something for 350 dollars and the shipping was just 50 dollars or so to Japan. If I had got that at dogfunk or evo, would've been 200+ dollar shipping probably hah.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Custom/freight forwarding is still...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:19:01 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 6:19am

Custom/freight forwarding is still expensive as anything for people in AUS. Yes it is cheaper but not by enough.

Discounted shipping would be nice at the least like Sierra does. I have paid for shipping on several orders that were under $500 and had no problem doing that for the reasonable and fair prices Sierra could do it for.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by dr86u...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 05:01:42 +0000

Author: bugsbunnymydad
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 5:01am

Originally posted by dr86

u guys reckon its still good to buyu before october 12 when the deal is finalised?

I placed an order around 5:22 am JST (15 hours ago) and it shipped 2 hours later... That was the fastest response yet out of my ~10 orders. It seems like everything is normal for now.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I hope they can strike some kind...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 01:44:26 +0000

Author: Gf_intelligence
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 1:44am

I hope they can strike some kind of deal with fedex and offer discounts on international shipping like some of the major fowarding companies. I think for lots of international customers (like myself) the free shipping was a huge draw card.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : u guys reckon its still good to...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 01:16:57 +0000

Author: dr86
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 1:16am

u guys reckon its still good to buyu before october 12 when the deal is finalised?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : you just got housed!!!!!!!!!!!"we...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:59:22 +0000

Author: surgyon
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 12:59am

you just got housed!!!!!!!!!!!

"we believe that our customers will find themselves more pleased than ever before about their shopping experience."

HA

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : good to see it's all worked...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:56:00 +0000

Author: little_chris
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 12:56am

good to see it's all worked out.
i hope they do keep the spend over 500 for free international shipping. if not, just as well i placed a couple of big orders. that should see me through next season + more hopefully..

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : so whats likely gone then in the...

Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:34:33 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/30/2010 at 12:34am

so whats likely gone then in the reshuffle? lets play a game of wild speculation :)

Points
Member discounts
50% decks (and certainly clearout 70% sales)
removal of brand restrictions on international shipping

Im not so sure, but i think they may just realise that one of the big things sierra did was make creating a global identity for itself. I reckon they'd be daft to not strike a deal with fed ex on international shipping and offer a similar deal to international customers. So since its a choice by the retailer themeselves, im not 100% sure the free international shipping over x-retail value will be gone.

Im also not so sure they'll get rid of the giveaway. They may make it less frequent, but you cant underestimate the lure of free stuff on building a 'community'.

Wonder if any of that at all is right and its not 100% pure speculation with me talking out my heiny :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by winzeTrusnow...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:57:50 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 11:57pm

Originally posted by winze

Trusnow doesn't ship Burton overseas :(

yeah, because they follow the rules.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : who is ready for non discounted...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:24:43 +0000

Author: supcadence
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 11:24pm

who is ready for non discounted burton gear!!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i think by now everyone in australia...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:22:31 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 11:22pm

i think by now everyone in australia has heard of mail forwarding addresses. Not free at $500 and not as cheap as sierra, but its not half bad and still keeps things relatively cheap.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : quality non burton gear.. thats...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:50:51 +0000

Author: AyChan87
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 10:50pm

quality non burton gear.. thats unheard of LOL!!!!!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by winzeTrusnow...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:45:36 +0000

Author: hana24
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 10:45pm

Originally posted by winze

Trusnow doesn't ship Burton overseas :(

Hope everyone else in AUS/NZ managed to get their stuff this year,

You can still get quality gear that isn't burton that could be shipped overseas

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Trusnow doesn't ship Burton...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:32:45 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 10:32pm

Trusnow doesn't ship Burton overseas :(

Hope everyone else in AUS/NZ managed to get their stuff this year,

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : glad to see theres some security...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:15:25 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 10:15pm

glad to see theres some security now. :) Maybe we'll start some of the staff back again :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Superorb Originally...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:14:18 +0000

Author: dvdngu
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 10:14pm

Originally posted by Superorb

Originally posted by dvdngu

gg pwn):
still, i wanna hear something from mike

He might have signed a non-disclosure agreement with the new owners.

now thats no fun ):

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by dvdngu gg...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:09:36 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 10:09pm

Originally posted by dvdngu

gg pwn):
still, i wanna hear something from mike

He might have signed a non-disclosure agreement with the new owners.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : yeah me too. sounds interesting ...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:09:21 +0000

Author: lookoutrider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 10:09pm

yeah me too. sounds interesting

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : gg pwn):still, i wanna hear...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:55:32 +0000

Author: dvdngu
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 9:55pm

gg pwn):
still, i wanna hear something from mike

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Wow...guess we finally know what...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:41:20 +0000

Author: wdi
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 9:41pm

Wow...guess we finally know what the deal is now. Guess I also need to use up the gift card....

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Wow, big news.I'm really...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:37:39 +0000

Author: bugsbunnymydad
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 9:37pm

Wow, big news.

I'm really excited about the fact that they plan to keep Sierra alive... And not just in name-only but with some of the staff remaining. Always nice to hear about people keeping their jobs!

Since it's the same people operating the House, free international shipping is most likely done so I'll just participate in the forums. Was nice to buy from Sierra while it lasted.

But at least the site and forums will be alive! So good news all around.

Edit - Just saw above me, Alkas is back, nice nice. A post marked as spam already by someone haha.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : told you so. /thread

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:31:49 +0000

Author: Alkasquawlik
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 9:31pm

told you so.

/thread

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Something finally happened..â€œWe...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:18:49 +0000

Author: BudAshes
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 9:18pm

Something finally happened.

.“We will be doing everything to preserve and enhance the strong sense of community that has been the hallmark of Sierra Snowboards. Some of our plans include exciting options such as the addition of new action sports product lines”

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : trusnow has been around for a...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:16:39 +0000

Author: jimster716
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 9:16pm

trusnow has been around for a while but as you can see at the top, it's a non-functional ecommerce site. If they actually adhere to seller agreements like I would expect them to, it'll be interesting to see what happens to this community.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : stoked staff will be able to keep...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:14:35 +0000

Author: giftedhands
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 9:14pm

stoked staff will be able to keep their jobs.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Interesting that they will be...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:13:24 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 9:13pm

Interesting that they will be retaining SS staff after the sale, that's good for people worried about losing their jobs. It also notes that the community will live on.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : interesting, final approval by...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:12:26 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 9:12pm

interesting, final approval by October 12th, be interesting to see how things change once the sale goes through.

new name eh, TruSnow

Guess all those Sierra boards are never going to be seen again :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Game Over.

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:10:39 +0000

Author: jimster716
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 9:10pm

Game Over.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:06:48 +0000

Author: yuhui
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 9:06pm

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

all i can say right now

edit: so this will be the new sierra http://trusnow.com

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Here you go folkshttp://busine...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:04:31 +0000

Author: BRUIZZA
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 9:04pm

Here you go folks

http://business.transworld.net/48638/features/sierra-snowboard-sold-to-the-house-affiliate-for-8-million/

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Toobsi...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:55:08 +0000

Author: yuhui
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 5:55pm

Originally posted by Toobs

i heard they were gunna pay us to take gear off there hands

Where'd you hear that?

Originally posted by CoMtnRider

My question is who does the mouth love come from?

mike himself?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by E13 Originally...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:34:26 +0000

Author: dvdngu
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 4:34pm

Originally posted by E13

Originally posted by CoMtnRider

My question is who does the mouth love come from?

Jake

bring on the sale

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i heard they were gunna pay us...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:30:12 +0000

Author: Toobs
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 4:30pm

i heard they were gunna pay us to take gear off there hands

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by CoMtnRiderMy...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:21:06 +0000

Author: E13
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 4:21pm

Originally posted by CoMtnRider

My question is who does the mouth love come from?

Jake

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : My question is who does the mouth...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:31:41 +0000

Author: CoMtnRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 2:31pm

My question is who does the mouth love come from?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I would like to inquire about...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:16:52 +0000

Author: mrrorydigital
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 2:16pm

I would like to inquire about the mouth love mentioned above? How many points do you need to get it and what is the coupon code for it? Also, does it come with a free Sierra T-Shirt?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : so they're gonna pay me for...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:12:55 +0000

Author: MTpow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 2:12pm

so they're gonna pay me for the gear I order(with free shipping of course) and S my C?! omg this is the best site ever!!!!!!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BudAshes Originally...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:10:27 +0000

Author: fostpaint
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 2:10pm

Originally posted by BudAshes

Originally posted by TigerUppercut

Does anyone think that SS would have a liquidation sale before selling inventory at cost to ASI? I've got a gift card to burn...

Yeah definitely. Everything will be 90% off + member discount + BJ's for everyone.

Best. post. today.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by TigerUppercutDoes...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:03:05 +0000

Author: BudAshes
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 2:03pm

Originally posted by TigerUppercut

Does anyone think that SS would have a liquidation sale before selling inventory at cost to ASI? I've got a gift card to burn...

Yeah definitely. Everything will be 90% off + member discount + BJ's for everyone.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Does anyone think that SS would...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:02:03 +0000

Author: TigerUppercut
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 2:02pm

Does anyone think that SS would have a liquidation sale before selling inventory at cost to ASI? I've got a gift card to burn...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BRUIZZA Originally...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:35:44 +0000

Author: determined
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 1:35pm

Originally posted by BRUIZZA

Originally posted by snowdog68

i'm gonna get some freeebies before crap goes down

What a shitty ass attitude to have. It is now my goal to watch all your posts and reviews and flag all the shitty ones. Good luck with getting your freebies.

Shit is getting personal in this thread.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I haven't been following...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:31:51 +0000

Author: bugsbunnymydad
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 1:31pm

I haven't been following much of whats happening after the 22nd. Supposedly the new court date is the 29th(today)?

Well I JUST put in a new order right now...so we'll see how that goes.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : hope all works out for the folks...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:48:25 +0000

Author: Toobs
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 10:48am

hope all works out for the folks at SS, would be bummed if they shut it down. "I know its not gunna happen, but still would be lame balls."

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by mech9t5i...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:40:23 +0000

Author: ddomski
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 10:40am

Originally posted by mech9t5

i had gift card left too so i made an order last week. my order shipped and should be delivered tomorrow.

yes, you should definitely use up any giftcards before the hearing is done.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BRUIZZA Originally...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:26:41 +0000

Author: jimster716
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 10:26am

Originally posted by BRUIZZA

Originally posted by snowdog68

i'm gonna get some freeebies before crap goes down

What a shitty ass attitude to have. It is now my goal to watch all your posts and reviews and flag all the shitty ones. Good luck with getting your freebies.

Like it or not, the growth of this community is predicated upon giveaways and sales that no other retailer will touch bringing new members every day which is precisely why SS is in its current legal woes. And having a 10million shitty members is greater perceived value than 100 expert members when Mike sells this crap off.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i had gift card left too so i...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:07:46 +0000

Author: mech9t5
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 10:07am

i had gift card left too so i made an order last week. my order shipped and should be delivered tomorrow.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by dr86u...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:18:17 +0000

Author: MTpow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 8:18am

Originally posted by dr86

u reckon i should be using my gift cards. still got a bit from price adjustments

yup...get on it.... orders will still be shipping out no worries.... who knows what will happen after the court hearing/pending sale goes through... if u had gift cards and what not i dont think i'd wait around to see

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I ordered goggles last week and...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 07:52:53 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 7:52am

I ordered goggles last week and got them yesterday.

If they don't ship your order they'll just cancel it, no big deal.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by moonshadowwhat...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:13:39 +0000

Author: koji3
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 6:13am

Originally posted by moonshadow

what sort of security does a buyer or member of sierra have when purchasing products right now?

Should be fine. Im planning to order a few items soonish.

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

Hey all, just an FYI... if on the 22nd the sale is approved and Sierra sells their goodies to another store you should still be able to place orders for at least a month... so breath easy and hang tight.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : u reckon i should be using my...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:12:05 +0000

Author: dr86
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 6:12am

u reckon i should be using my gift cards. still got a bit from price adjustments

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i wouldn't be too worried...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:06:50 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 6:06am

i wouldn't be too worried about putting an order in. If it ships then your cc gets charged, if it doesn't then neither does your cc (credit card).

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : what sort of security does a buyer...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:57:10 +0000

Author: moonshadow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 5:57am

what sort of security does a buyer or member of sierra have when purchasing products right now?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : If the sale doesn't go through...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:44:22 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 5:44am

If the sale doesn't go through then the options are a bit limited i think. Guess all we can do is wait

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by koji3Ahh...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 04:41:24 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 4:41am

Originally posted by koji3

Ahh so last real update was, SS on trial on the 27th right? any reports?

I cant seem to find any updates since the 2nd of sept.

The latest updates from our other sources are that the trial was re-schdueled to today. The sale of sierra did not go through and we are still waiting on results.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : all the problems associated with...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 02:22:34 +0000

Author: eldolocal68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 2:22am

all the problems associated with this subject and this thread can be cured real easy like...just lock the thread, and it dies.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : First I heard about this. Man...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:48:53 +0000

Author: koobs
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 1:48am

First I heard about this. Man that really sucks, although it would save me a lot of money in the future!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : First I heard about this. Man...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:46:11 +0000

Author: koobs
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 1:46am

First I heard about this. Man that really sucks, although it would save me a lot of money in the future!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Sad :(

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 00:56:18 +0000

Author: fideosify
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 12:56am

Sad :(

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : darn i just found out about this...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 00:47:15 +0000

Author: fideosify
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 12:47am

darn i just found out about this website too.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Ahh so last real update was, SS...

Wed, 29 Sep 2010 00:30:01 +0000

Author: koji3
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/29/2010 at 12:30am

Ahh so last real update was, SS on trial on the 27th right? any reports?

I cant seem to find any updates since the 2nd of sept.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : not knowing is worse than if the...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:06:28 +0000

Author: Stryker
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 10:06pm

not knowing is worse than if the news would just come out.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : let him dream! let him dream......

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:58:27 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 9:58pm

let him dream! let him dream... just a little longer...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by surgyonseptember...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:39:24 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 9:39pm

Originally posted by surgyon

september 22nd has come and gone and they are still here! viva sierra!

It's not as simple as that.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : september 22nd has come and gone...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:37:06 +0000

Author: surgyon
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 9:37pm

september 22nd has come and gone and they are still here! viva sierra!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by AyChan87gessh...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:23:28 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 9:23pm

Originally posted by AyChan87

gessh what does divided by zero mean man.. so cranky

Google "divide by zero".

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : gessh what does divided by zero...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:15:49 +0000

Author: AyChan87
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 9:15pm

gessh what does divided by zero mean man.. so cranky

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : That's because dividing by...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:02:07 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 9:02pm

That's because dividing by zero would tear the universe apart.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by craigalicious omg...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:56:12 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 8:56pm

Originally posted by craigalicious

omg SS is going under wtf??? i better buy everything now! what will happen to my points? does SS still ship out orders? why are they going under? when will Jesus come back? is there an end to the universe?

seriously people. stop posting in this thread unless you have something constructive to say and have read at least the majority of the thread.

and for all of you who are wondering, SS divided by zero and that is why this is all happening.

wait... i saw what you did there.

Division by zero gives me an error on my calculator

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : omg SS is going under wtf???...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:48:18 +0000

Author: craigalicious
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 8:48pm

omg SS is going under wtf??? i better buy everything now! what will happen to my points? does SS still ship out orders? why are they going under? when will Jesus come back? is there an end to the universe?

seriously people. stop posting in this thread unless you have something constructive to say and have read at least the majority of the thread.

and for all of you who are wondering, SS divided by zero and that is why this is all happening.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Man this makes me want to buy...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:09:23 +0000

Author: Spyd3r
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 7:09pm

Man this makes me want to buy another snowboard and those yellow union bindings were already on my list.

Incredible community. Sad to see it close on the year I found out about it...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : time to mass order while i can ...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:15:50 +0000

Author: dvdngu
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 4:15pm

time to mass order while i can

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by forrestconley@yahooI...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:11:14 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 4:11pm

Originally posted by forrestconley@yahoo

I would be so mad if this company went bankrupt. Thank god they aren't that would be such a bummer

WTF? Go back and read the thread..... and be prepared to be mad.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by azn_danhim...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:57:31 +0000

Author: marctheshark
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 3:57pm

Originally posted by azn_dan

him and alka were always similar, always flaming people for anything and everything. I am surprised they just didn't type in caps:

its funny that you guys are still talking about alka even though he was banned, what, a couple weeks ago? i dont know why you guys keep bringing him up now that hes gone.

and from what i know, his account isnt banned.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I would be so mad if this company...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:31:30 +0000

Author: TGOD
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 3:31pm

I would be so mad if this company went bankrupt. Thank god they aren't that would be such a bummer

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Placed 2 more orders this weekend.. (now...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:04:07 +0000

Author: ACRucrazy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 3:04pm

Placed 2 more orders this weekend..

(now only if the other $5,000) I spent last year was added to my account for "points"

I feel kinda ripped.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by SintexoDid...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:28:21 +0000

Author: MTpow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 2:28pm

Originally posted by Sintexo

Did no one else find this extremely ironic? Pointing out how MT missed the sarcasm (which he didn't)... then missing the sarcasm himself. Win.

some people just can't get with the program

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : this is depressing

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:53:25 +0000

Author: Shining Diamond
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 12:53pm

this is depressing

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecodeAll...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:10:32 +0000

Author: BudAshes
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 12:10pm

Originally posted by pipecode

All it took is some dude flailing their arm to convince you to buy bindings? I've got some land in Florida you'd be interested in.....

If you can't trust a dude flailing his arms, who can you trust?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : man this is worse than watercooler...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:09:37 +0000

Author: Dirtydragon
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 12:09pm

man this is worse than watercooler talk.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : who's they?

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:57:41 +0000

Author: ddomski
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 11:57am

who's they?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Megaboo1121Total...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:22:09 +0000

Author: NickinChicago
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 8:22am

Originally posted by Megaboo1121

Total rumors...this site would never go down!!

I think they said that about Enron to.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by dr86Here...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:20:22 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 8:20am

Originally posted by dr86

Here it is

thank you kind sir

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Total rumors...this site would...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:18:20 +0000

Author: Megaboo1121
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 8:18am

Total rumors...this site would never go down!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Here it is

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:17:46 +0000

Author: dr86
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 8:17am

Here it is

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : now is there anyone kind enough...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:09:54 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 8:09am

now is there anyone kind enough to link me to the EL thread? I can't for my life find that damn thread on EL. Search failed

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i thought it was adjourned to...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:04:47 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 8:04am

i thought it was adjourned to the 29th?

Actually just checked, although theres some 341 thing on teh 29th at 3pm, esq said something about all hearings resuming on the 27th. So maybe there should be some info coming through soon? :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : On a serious note, wasn't...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:54:59 +0000

Author: Wingnutx
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 7:54am

On a serious note, wasn't yesterday another scheduled court date? Any updates?

Bueller?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by shwazy Originally...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:29:37 +0000

Author: Sintexo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 7:29am

Originally posted by shwazy

Originally posted by MTpow

Originally posted by shwazy

Originally posted by MTpow

Originally posted by NickinChicago

If he is going for 300 then I'm going for 7,000.

and u sir will receive a dick punch

lol but I am pretty sure you missed the sarcasm.

um no this is serious bizness... get with the fuggin program...

oh yeah your right cuz you can get 7,000 points in the amount of time it takes for this site to end...my bad

Did no one else find this extremely ironic? Pointing out how MT missed the sarcasm (which he didn't)... then missing the sarcasm himself. Win.

Originally posted by koji3

Also what happened to Alka? Did his account get banned?

And I'm pretty sure that is what happened.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Boneseh Originally...

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:24:21 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/28/2010 at 7:24am

Originally posted by Boneseh

Originally posted by pipecode

All it took is some dude flailing their arm to convince you to buy bindings? I've got some land in Florida you'd be interested in.....

Why do you have to piss on everyone's parade? It's a snowboarding forum, not a shtooking hate party.

him and alka were always similar, always flaming people for anything and everything. I am surprised they just didn't type in caps:

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : lol, he might need more arm flailing...

Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:48:51 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/25/2010 at 9:48am

lol, he might need more arm flailing before he buys the land heh

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecodeAll...

Sat, 25 Sep 2010 07:51:02 +0000

Author: Boneseh
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/25/2010 at 7:51am

Originally posted by pipecode

All it took is some dude flailing their arm to convince you to buy bindings? I've got some land in Florida you'd be interested in.....

Why do you have to piss on everyone's parade? It's a snowboarding forum, not a shtooking hate party.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : for a second there i thought that...

Sat, 25 Sep 2010 05:06:42 +0000

Author: supcadence
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/25/2010 at 5:06am

for a second there i thought that was serious

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : FREE THE SIERRA 2! "unjust,...

Sat, 25 Sep 2010 04:55:48 +0000

Author: eldolocal68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/25/2010 at 4:55am

FREE THE SIERRA 2! "unjust, immoral, and plain just dirty perma-bans shall not exist in our time!"-J. Burton.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Hope Sierra can survive in some...

Sat, 25 Sep 2010 04:20:23 +0000

Author: Alinaaa
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/25/2010 at 4:20am

Hope Sierra can survive in some way, but if the brand restrictions and free shipping over 500,- disappears, i am sadly forced to buy elsewhere..

Those yellow bindings look awesome by the way!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BRUIZZA Originally...

Sat, 25 Sep 2010 03:25:29 +0000

Author: koji3
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/25/2010 at 3:25am

Originally posted by BRUIZZA

Originally posted by snowdog68

i'm gonna get some freeebies before crap goes down

What a shitty ass attitude to have. It is now my goal to watch all your posts and reviews and flag all the shitty ones. Good luck with getting your freebies.

Haha knew that Bru was gonna pop out of nowhere for this. He has a 6th sense for this shit.

As for his later post who spammed it? haha

Also what happened to Alka? Did his account get banned?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecodeAll...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:11:59 +0000

Author: bugsbunnymydad
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 9:11pm

Originally posted by pipecode

All it took is some dude flailing their arm to convince you to buy bindings? I've got some land in Florida you'd be interested in.....

But it's so yellow and pretty!!!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : All it took is some dude flailing...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:55:16 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:55pm

All it took is some dude flailing their arm to convince you to buy bindings? I've got some land in Florida you'd be interested in.....

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by MN-Shredder-13boneseh...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:45:35 +0000

Author: Boneseh
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:45pm

Originally posted by MN-Shredder-13

boneseh i swear to god you and you alone just by your picture convinced me im definitly buying the yellow forces from sierra omg!!! i love them better hurry to get my deal in if all this is true yo! PEACE!!

That's awesome to hear MN! I can't wait to get out on the slopes with 'em.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : boneseh i swear to god you and...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:28:03 +0000

Author: MN-Shredder-13
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:28pm

boneseh i swear to god you and you alone just by your picture convinced me im definitly buying the yellow forces from sierra omg!!! i love them better hurry to get my deal in if all this is true yo! PEACE!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoethe...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:27:28 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:27pm

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

the actual store location has been closed for a long time now, that isn't something new.

Way to ruin all the fun.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : the actual store location has...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:25:06 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:25pm

the actual store location has been closed for a long time now, that isn't something new.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by turbo95sirdammit,...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:18:05 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:18pm

Originally posted by turbo95sir

dammit, that's what i figured, but just wondering if anyone has actually tried to stop by. i was actually going to make a trip up there soon before i found out about all this going on...

Store's closed. There were pics somewhere, but I don't fee like looking for them. Even the sign is gone, but by all means, feel free to confirm for yourself. Make sure you post pics of your visit though.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I received my order I placed on...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:15:31 +0000

Author: ACRucrazy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:15pm

I received my order I placed on Sunday today, a day earlier than expected.
Thanks SS!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : im fine with the online only option,...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:45:15 +0000

Author: AyChan87
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 4:45pm

im fine with the online only option, woulda been nice to have a storefront

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : dammit, that's what i figured,...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:38:42 +0000

Author: turbo95sir
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 4:38pm

dammit, that's what i figured, but just wondering if anyone has actually tried to stop by. i was actually going to make a trip up there soon before i found out about all this going on...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : From what I read, the retail store...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:34:33 +0000

Author: CO_champagne
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 4:34pm

From what I read, the retail store has closed. They planned to go full online warehouse only.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : has anyone stopped by the actual...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:29:55 +0000

Author: turbo95sir
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 4:29pm

has anyone stopped by the actual store to see what's happening there? sorry if this was already asked and embedded in the 21+ pages of responses. i only read the first 10 or so then wanted to gouge my eyes out from all of the asian pop videos being posted...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : damn. i was hoping this wouldnt...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:49:38 +0000

Author: LaundryMonster
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 2:49pm

damn. i was hoping this wouldnt happen.
is the house a confirmed buyer>

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BudAshesI...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:21:15 +0000

Author: Marumm
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 2:21pm

Originally posted by BudAshes

I wonder what Mike would have done differently if he could go back and do it again.

Two chicks at the same time, man.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i say the site aint goin no where,...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:43:47 +0000

Author: Toobs
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 1:43pm

i say the site aint goin no where, but the awesome deals are so . . . stock up

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by MTpow Originally...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:23:45 +0000

Author: shwazy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 1:23pm

Originally posted by MTpow

Originally posted by shwazy

Originally posted by MTpow

Originally posted by NickinChicago

If he is going for 300 then I'm going for 7,000.

and u sir will receive a dick punch

lol but I am pretty sure you missed the sarcasm.

um no this is serious bizness... get with the fuggin program...

oh yeah your right cuz you can get 7,000 points in the amount of time it takes for this site to end...my bad

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe Originally...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:29:05 +0000

Author: Duneluder
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 12:29pm

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

Originally posted by MTpow

Originally posted by NickinChicago

If he is going for 300 then I'm going for 7,000.

and u sir will receive a dick punch

You're not gonna punch him with your mouth are you?

HAHAHHAHAHAHAA!!!!! oh god that was great, thanks Z

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : those yellow forces look hot.

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:07:33 +0000

Author: ddomski
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 12:07pm

those yellow forces look hot.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Either not sign the contract in...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:18:21 +0000

Author: CoMtnRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 11:18am

Either not sign the contract in the first place with the changes Burton wanted or not go under 30% on Burton goods. The sales were nice for sure but I hope the forums stay intact.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I wonder what Mike would have...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:16:21 +0000

Author: BudAshes
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 11:16am

I wonder what Mike would have done differently if he could go back and do it again.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Boneseh Originally...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:57:28 +0000

Author: mech9t5
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 9:57am

Originally posted by Boneseh

Originally posted by azn_dan

damn those look hawt, have you thought about frankensteining them? I have green '10 forces if you are up for it

This is my first set of unions, what do you mean by frankensteining them? spray paint them green? If you're offering yours for free then sure I'm up for it! ;D

he is talking about mix and matching. green straps on yelow binder for example...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by azn_dandamn...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:51:34 +0000

Author: Boneseh
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 9:51am

Originally posted by azn_dan

damn those look hawt, have you thought about frankensteining them? I have green '10 forces if you are up for it

This is my first set of unions, what do you mean by frankensteining them? spray paint them green? If you're offering yours for free then sure I'm up for it! ;D

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by PeekabooOkay...I...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:39:24 +0000

Author: mech9t5
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 9:39am

Originally posted by Peekaboo

Okay...I still have heard the official word yet that Sierra is gonna be be sold. Any of you actually has proof?

Ill miss sierra if that does happen. I think we need to start thinking about how we gonna retain this community even after the fact.

i'm ordering stuff before it's too late... I only get 10% off but it's better than nothing. I'm only like 200pts from 1500 too... damn.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Okay...I still have heard the...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:04:48 +0000

Author: Peekaboo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 9:04am

Okay...I still have heard the official word yet that Sierra is gonna be be sold. Any of you actually has proof?

Ill miss sierra if that does happen. I think we need to start thinking about how we gonna retain this community even after the fact.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by MTpoweldo...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:55:02 +0000

Author: yuhui
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:55am

Originally posted by MTpow

eldo if u spam yourself 300 pts in the upcoming weeks i'll sick burtons ninjas on you....

.. and they gonna file a lawsuit and bankrupt yo ass to death ha

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : damn those look hawt, have you...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:37:07 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:37am

damn those look hawt, have you thought about frankensteining them? I have green '10 forces if you are up for it

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : My union force bindings just arrived....

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:31:46 +0000

Author: Boneseh
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:31am

My union force bindings just arrived. I was ohhh so close to getting the Force SLs but decided against 'em and decided to have an extra 2 days on the slopes instead.

Hate on bishes

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by bugsbunnymydadBut...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:29:05 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:29am

Originally posted by bugsbunnymydad

But yea, pretty interested to know what will happen to Sierra after the sale. So is it pretty much confirmed it's gonna be the owners of the House that are gonna be purchasing Sierra?

My guess:
Sierra stays in business with the following changes
1) Member discounts and freebies go byebye
2) Giveaways go byebye
3) Brand restrictions in shipping internationally

The above 3 I can live with but...

4) No more free international shipping over $500

That one is gonna break my heart. Say hello to $100 shipping for one board or one binding! Or $40 for one hoodie

But does anyone see a benefit from them buying sierra? Sure we have a supposedly huge community, but there are only so many actives members. Other then that, the people who shop here but don't participate as they are here only for the prices. From your points above, i would say to me 2-4 does not matter, but 1 may have an affect on this community.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by craigaliciousBru...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:25:21 +0000

Author: MTpow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:25am

Originally posted by craigalicious

Bru you must be really worried about this bankruptcy thing since your sponsorship ends with SS.

and if bru's sponsorship ends then all you'll be left with is call of duty... sad....

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : all hail interwebz legend bruizza!...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:22:09 +0000

Author: MTpow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:22am

all hail interwebz legend bruizza! NO FREE CRAP FOR YOU PEONS!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Bru you must be really worried...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:20:26 +0000

Author: craigalicious
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:20am

Bru you must be really worried about this bankruptcy thing since your sponsorship ends with SS.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Boneseh Originally...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:18:23 +0000

Author: BRUIZZA
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:18am

Originally posted by Boneseh

Originally posted by BRUIZZA

Originally posted by snowdog68

i'm gonna get some freeebies before crap goes down

What a shitty ass attitude to have. It is now my goal to watch all your posts and reviews and flag all the shitty ones. Good luck with getting your freebies.

That's hypocritical Bru, aren't you just here for the points?

Of course it is hypocritical, that is what makes it so awesome. Plus I already got all my free stuff so now my goal is to keep others from obtaining my level of internet awesomeness.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by shwazy Originally...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:18:22 +0000

Author: MTpow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:18am

Originally posted by shwazy

Originally posted by MTpow

Originally posted by NickinChicago

If he is going for 300 then I'm going for 7,000.

and u sir will receive a dick punch

lol but I am pretty sure you missed the sarcasm.

um no this is serious bizness... get with the fuggin program...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by MTpow Originally...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:07:06 +0000

Author: shwazy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:07am

Originally posted by MTpow

Originally posted by NickinChicago

If he is going for 300 then I'm going for 7,000.

and u sir will receive a dick punch

lol but I am pretty sure you missed the sarcasm.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by cflaatwhy...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:05:28 +0000

Author: Wingnutx
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:05am

Originally posted by cflaat

why are they going bankrupt?? :(

I sure as f*ck hope you are joking if not go back and read this entire GD thread

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I just ordered 3 pairs of bindings...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:04:36 +0000

Author: mech9t5
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 8:04am

I just ordered 3 pairs of bindings for myself and a couple friends. 1 pair Union Force, and 2 pair Rome 390.

I hope they get shipped. If I bought union forces in canada it would cost me around $315 after tax. From Sierra it only cost around $215.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : why are they going bankrupt??...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:47:19 +0000

Author: cflaat
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:47am

why are they going bankrupt?? :(

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BRUIZZA Originally...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:45:29 +0000

Author: Boneseh
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:45am

Originally posted by BRUIZZA

Originally posted by snowdog68

i'm gonna get some freeebies before crap goes down

What a shitty ass attitude to have. It is now my goal to watch all your posts and reviews and flag all the shitty ones. Good luck with getting your freebies.

That's hypocritical Bru, aren't you just here for the points?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BRUIZZA Originally...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:37:05 +0000

Author: fishkur
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:37am

Originally posted by BRUIZZA

Originally posted by snowdog68

i'm gonna get some freeebies before crap goes down

What a shitty ass attitude to have. It is now my goal to watch all your posts and reviews and flag all the shitty ones. Good luck with getting your freebies.

I hope he was joking...maybe that's Alka's new account?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by snowdog68i'm...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:32:16 +0000

Author: BRUIZZA
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:32am

Originally posted by snowdog68

i'm gonna get some freeebies before crap goes down

What a shitty ass attitude to have. It is now my goal to watch all your posts and reviews and flag all the shitty ones. Good luck with getting your freebies.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe Originally...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:22:09 +0000

Author: MTpow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:22am

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

Originally posted by MTpow

Originally posted by NickinChicago

If he is going for 300 then I'm going for 7,000.

and u sir will receive a dick punch

You're not gonna punch him with your mouth are you?

fist... im not doing the canuckistani oral dickpunch version... here in amurica we settle things fist 'ta cuff style

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : lol he would deserve a punch i...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:11:33 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:11am

lol he would deserve a punch i agree! :P

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by MTpow Originally...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:08:54 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:08am

Originally posted by MTpow

Originally posted by NickinChicago

If he is going for 300 then I'm going for 7,000.

and u sir will receive a dick punch

You're not gonna punch him with your mouth are you?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by NickinChicagoIf...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:05:37 +0000

Author: MTpow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:05am

Originally posted by NickinChicago

If he is going for 300 then I'm going for 7,000.

and u sir will receive a dick punch

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : international shipping brand restrictions...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:05:29 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:05am

international shipping brand restrictions would totally such arse for someone like myself in AUS :(

Can live with just the normal sales say 30-40% and no freebies but discount levels still

Giveaways can live without

3 and 4 though would pretty much mean SS just becomes a forum and resource for me and i believe many other international boarders/members would be in the same boat.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i'm gonna get some freeebies...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:05:17 +0000

Author: snowdog68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:05am

i'm gonna get some freeebies before crap goes down

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : If he is going for 300 then I'm...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:03:32 +0000

Author: NickinChicago
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:03am

If he is going for 300 then I'm going for 7,000.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : eldo if u spam yourself 300 pts...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:00:31 +0000

Author: MTpow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 7:00am

eldo if u spam yourself 300 pts in the upcoming weeks i'll sick burtons ninjas on you....

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : 300 points in a month? That's...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:35:29 +0000

Author: bugsbunnymydad
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 6:35am

300 points in a month? That's pretty dang hard... you're gonna have to turn your spam level to max.

But yea, pretty interested to know what will happen to Sierra after the sale. So is it pretty much confirmed it's gonna be the owners of the House that are gonna be purchasing Sierra?

My guess:
Sierra stays in business with the following changes
1) Member discounts and freebies go byebye
2) Giveaways go byebye
3) Brand restrictions in shipping internationally

The above 3 I can live with but...

4) No more free international shipping over $500

That one is gonna break my heart. Say hello to $100 shipping for one board or one binding! Or $40 for one hoodie

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by eldolocal68so...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 05:38:53 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 5:38am

Originally posted by eldolocal68

so now we have another week to wait, maybe a month before the sale is finalized, think i can get 300 pts. racked up before the crap hits the fan?

well if you spend 3000$ then you can get it right away

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i got 493, gonna try for 600?gonna...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 05:31:21 +0000

Author: yuhui
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 5:31am

i got 493, gonna try for 600?gonna order some small stuff from here like bandanas

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : so now we have another week to...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:08:56 +0000

Author: eldolocal68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 2:08am

so now we have another week to wait, maybe a month before the sale is finalized, think i can get 300 pts. racked up before the crap hits the fan?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecode Originally...

Fri, 24 Sep 2010 01:49:21 +0000

Author: 2pha
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/24/2010 at 1:49am

Originally posted by pipecode

Originally posted by Ivanhawk

In order to avoid bankrupt it is better to have a bankruptcy attorneys so that whatever might happen you had already a clue on what should been action to be perform.And had already knowledge on how to avoid it.http://www.bankruptcyattorneyincincinnati.com

Did you face bankruptcy from a failed writing career?

haha, but it seems he bounced back with the help of an attorney, but sadly is headed in the same direction again.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BudAshes Originally...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:07:09 +0000

Author: bataleon155
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 11:07pm

Originally posted by BudAshes

Originally posted by spenser

Originally posted by BFBF

Porters and dogfunk both price match.

Just go to the Live chat on both sites and negotiate.

*as long as the price doesnt violate any vendor agreements

not true I pricematched sierra gear back when it was 70% just to see if they would do it. They did.

sorry for the big quote but just want to point out that dogfunk will not 100% price match on all items because i tried and they won't price match the arbor draft and the never summer i was eyeing a month ago. even though that was only 20 dollar off what they listed and still a no go.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by IvanhawkIn...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:43:37 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 10:43pm

Did you face bankruptcy from a failed writing career?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : In order to avoid bankrupt it...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:27:18 +0000

Author: Ivanhawk
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 10:27pm

In order to avoid bankrupt it is better to have a bankruptcy attorneys so that whatever might happen you had already a clue on what should been action to be perform.And had already knowledge on how to avoid it.http://www.bankruptcyattorneyincincinnati.com

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I believe it's a public hearing...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:15:32 +0000

Author: ddomski
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 10:15pm

I believe it's a public hearing in SJ. I should drop by.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Will not go bankrupt. So, I'll...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:43:34 +0000

Author: koouzz
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 7:43pm

Will not go bankrupt.

So, I'll take orders.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by winzecourt...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:24:26 +0000

Author: anton
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 7:24pm

Originally posted by winze

court hearings are just that, court matters, things get adjourned etc, or there is further time for submissions etc... things don't get out to the public straight away. Just wait for transworld to update, they are usually right on the money in terms of getting info quickly once it is available.

Not unless the court hearings are private.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BudAshes Originally...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:55:52 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 5:55pm

Originally posted by BudAshes

Originally posted by spenser

Originally posted by BFBF

Porters and dogfunk both price match.

Just go to the Live chat on both sites and negotiate.

*as long as the price doesnt violate any vendor agreements

not true I pricematched sierra gear back when it was 70% just to see if they would do it. They did.

for real? Cause i got denied a few times at dogfunk, funny thing was they wouldn't even pricematch evogear. So i figured no way in hell would they pm sierra.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : court hearings are just that,...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:00:52 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 5:00pm

court hearings are just that, court matters, things get adjourned etc, or there is further time for submissions etc... things don't get out to the public straight away. Just wait for transworld to update, they are usually right on the money in terms of getting info quickly once it is available.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Stop asking for updates.Just...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:08:35 +0000

Author: Sintexo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 4:08pm

Stop asking for updates.

Just cause a court date has happened does not magically mean you are going to find out everything that happened the day of or after.

It's probably going to take at least a week for information to trickle down. I'm sure when someone that cares knows something, they will post it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by apathetic_oneNothing...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:04:34 +0000

Author: Stryker
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 4:04pm

Originally posted by apathetic_one

Nothing until the hearing date on the 27th?

I thought it was yesterday. Did it get pushed back?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenserinteresting....

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:54:43 +0000

Author: 360faceplant
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 3:54pm

Originally posted by spenser

interesting. they had a clause on their policy page that said they wouldnt do it.

I think they did it for the first few days and then when everything blew up between SS/Burton they amended their policy and added the PM clause.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : interesting. they had a clause...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:51:58 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 3:51pm

interesting. they had a clause on their policy page that said they wouldnt do it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenser Originally...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:23:43 +0000

Author: BudAshes
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 3:23pm

Originally posted by spenser

Originally posted by BFBF

Porters and dogfunk both price match.

Just go to the Live chat on both sites and negotiate.

*as long as the price doesnt violate any vendor agreements

not true I pricematched sierra gear back when it was 70% just to see if they would do it. They did.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Nothing until the hearing date...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:20:24 +0000

Author: apathetic_one
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 3:20pm

Nothing until the hearing date on the 27th?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : its the 23rd already. whats gonna...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:18:40 +0000

Author: yuhui
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 3:18pm

its the 23rd already. whats gonna happen?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BFBFPorters...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:25:17 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 1:25pm

Originally posted by BFBF

Porters and dogfunk both price match.

Just go to the Live chat on both sites and negotiate.

*as long as the price doesnt violate any vendor agreements

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by craigalicious Originally...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:08:17 +0000

Author: Boneseh
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 10:08am

Originally posted by craigalicious

Originally posted by hana24

Originally posted by Peekaboo

Originally posted by yuhui

So ippollite, have you ordered coffee? Do Koreans make good coffee?

ERmm, I think ipollite is Japanese lol.

Anyways, any news of the proceeding. It Should be 2pm over there by now right.

I'm pretty sure he's not asian. He said he teaches engrish there.

fixed for accuracy.

I actually lol'd at this.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : thank god, is this finally over?...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:31:00 +0000

Author: eldolocal68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 8:31am

thank god, is this finally over? jus gotta buy quick.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Porters and dogfunk both price...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:24:47 +0000

Author: BFBF
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 8:24am

Porters and dogfunk both price match.

Just go to the Live chat on both sites and negotiate.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by forrestconley@yahooThank...

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 02:55:45 +0000

Author: koji3
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/23/2010 at 2:55am

Originally posted by forrestconley@yahoo

Thank god. I would be so bummed if they went bankrupt

Read the thread? haha

Originally posted by andrethegiant

i searched sierra bankrupt all over website and internet found something on angrysnowboarder.com but not a real answer

Google SS and bankruptcy.... you'll get a few results.

Originally posted by pipecode

Originally posted by cflaat

Flow bindings for ever!

WTF?

My thoughts exactly. Points will most likely get you no where now... Stop the spam.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by cflaatFlow...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:18:43 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 9:18pm

Originally posted by cflaat

Flow bindings for ever!

WTF?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Flow bindings for ever!

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:17:16 +0000

Author: cflaat
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 9:17pm

Flow bindings for ever!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : For those too lazy to head to...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:07:52 +0000

Author: bugsbunnymydad
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 9:07pm

For those too lazy to head to EL, it looks like the sale is going through even though the creditors & Burton were against it. (Maybe you burton haters can get some joy out of that)

And the sale is going to be sooner than later... so there are going to be big changes to sierra in the coming weeks. Bye bye sierra? Possibly.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Sierra operating as it did in...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:00:56 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 9:00pm

Sierra operating as it did in the past is pretty much over, but that doesn't mean it's over all together. It still may operate in some capacity, but owned by a different entity. Still no way to tell yet what will happen.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : yall check out the thread at EL...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:58:36 +0000

Author: dvdngu
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 8:58pm

yall check out the thread at EL yet? source there says that sierra retailing is pretty much over.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BFBFAs...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:29:37 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 8:29pm

Originally posted by BFBF

As an FYI sheeple........dogfunk, Porters, Seattle snowboard connection --all sell snowboards + outerwear...

just a question, but will porters pricematch sierra, theres a board i was eyeing and if it was alittle cheaper there i wouldn't mind lining chappy's pockets.

[/sarcasm]

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : man I love that gif.

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:31:57 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 5:31pm

man I love that gif.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BFBFAs...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:31:32 +0000

Author: NickinChicago
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 5:31pm

Originally posted by BFBF

As an FYI sheeple........dogfunk, Porters, Seattle snowboard connection --all sell snowboards + outerwear...

SnoCon is one of the sponsors on my site.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BFBFAs...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:20:24 +0000

Author: Shakazulu
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 5:20pm

Originally posted by BFBF

As an FYI sheeple........dogfunk, Porters, Seattle snowboard connection --all sell snowboards + outerwear...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : As an FYI sheeple........dogfunk,...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:13:09 +0000

Author: BFBF
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 5:13pm

As an FYI sheeple........dogfunk, Porters, Seattle snowboard connection --all sell snowboards + outerwear...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ground up is legit nice

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:06:37 +0000

Author: Toobs
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 4:06pm

ground up is legit nice

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ^^ I believe so. I've been...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:00:24 +0000

Author: CO_champagne
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 4:00pm

^^ I believe so. I've been anxiously waiting for weeks! Please update whoever knows the secrets behind this all.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : isnt the court date today 0.o ...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:58:55 +0000

Author: dvdngu
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 3:58pm

isnt the court date today 0.o

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by yuhui Originally...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:44:00 +0000

Author: yuhui
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 3:44pm

Originally posted by yuhui

Originally posted by bugsbunnymydad

yuhui > You talking about Asian hiphop? I think Asian + good fresh hiphop is an oxymoron lol... The only Asian hiphop I've heard that had me going 'good sh$t' were LMF from HK. Cantonese sounds surprisingly sick when done right. Japanese/Korean/Mandarin sounds too "soft" for hiphop imo. But I'm willing to be proven wrong! Korean techtonic is pretty sweet though.

Hiphop = English or French in my mind. Yes, French...

And hey, it's Sept 22nd!! (well here anyway) Hopefully we get some new information in the next few days. I'm sure there will be people scouring the court documents and such.

naw not asain hip hop.. these

[tube]uRcgZTbORxE[/tube]

knive show used this one in one of their edits

[tube]Z7xjkSUamIk&feature=related[/tube]

the first song in this one is also them

[tube]sAAE4vlHVQs[/tube]

they're a group from philadelphia

there, fixed

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Chiddy in the spot, where ya at...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:57:46 +0000

Author: Toobs
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 2:57pm

Chiddy in the spot, where ya at purdy lady show me what u got! Chiddy Bang is the sh!t, I mobbed hard on the mtn when this song dropped last season.
[TUBE]McRgkE_vgjU[/TUBE]

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by hana24 Originally...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:19:09 +0000

Author: craigalicious
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 2:19pm

Originally posted by hana24

Originally posted by Peekaboo

Originally posted by yuhui

So ippollite, have you ordered coffee? Do Koreans make good coffee?

ERmm, I think ipollite is Japanese lol.

Anyways, any news of the proceeding. It Should be 2pm over there by now right.

I'm pretty sure he's not asian. He said he teaches engrish there.

fixed for accuracy.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Peekaboo Originally...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:13:50 +0000

Author: hana24
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 2:13pm

Originally posted by Peekaboo

Originally posted by yuhui

So ippollite, have you ordered coffee? Do Koreans make good coffee?

ERmm, I think ipollite is Japanese lol.

Anyways, any news of the proceeding. It Should be 2pm over there by now right.

I'm pretty sure he's not asian. He said he teaches english there.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by yuhuiSo...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:01:00 +0000

Author: Peekaboo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 2:01pm

Originally posted by yuhui

So ippollite, have you ordered coffee? Do Koreans make good coffee?

ERmm, I think ipollite is Japanese lol.

Anyways, any news of the proceeding. It Should be 2pm over there by now right.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : So ippollite, have you ordered...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:35:11 +0000

Author: yuhui
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 1:35pm

So ippollite, have you ordered coffee? Do Koreans make good coffee?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by NickinChicagoCan...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:34:52 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 1:34pm

Originally posted by NickinChicago

Can someone please tell me what all this talk about bankruptcy is?

Can I still place an order?

Quiet you, don't instigate them

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Can someone please tell me what...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:31:15 +0000

Author: NickinChicago
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 1:31pm

Can someone please tell me what all this talk about bankruptcy is?

Can I still place an order?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by yuhuiwho...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:21:40 +0000

Author: zabisket
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 1:21pm

Originally posted by yuhui

who cares about thAt stuff man.. Some good fresh hip hop is what we need, I'm not talkin about black eyed peas, I'm talking about ground up, chiddy bang, etc .. I'll embed a video when I get on a computer

Here is some chiddy for you, nice to see some swelly express fans

[TUBE]iAfKc9x01_k[/TUBE]

Originally posted by shock639

Anyone that is familiar with the way the system works it will take a while. They just don't walk out of court and every changes. Change over will take time. Even if there were rulings today there will probably still be more hearings. It just doesn't happen overnight.

amen to this...people relax a bit, you arent gonna hear the final word this afternoon...word will probably come out in a couple weeks or so

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Thank god. I would be so bummed...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:06:14 +0000

Author: TGOD
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 1:06pm

Thank god. I would be so bummed if they went bankrupt

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe Originally...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:05:50 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 1:05pm

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

Do I really have to quote myself.....

LOL! Apparently...because peeps don't know how to look back into a thread before they reply...and for ippolite, banchan and soju, goes with kpop, yes?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Jack_BauerStay...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:03:01 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 1:03pm

Originally posted by Jack_Bauer

Stay calm everyone, I'm a doctor.

that made me lol. im going to start using that every time a situation gets a little tense or stressful, even though it will most likely have nothing whatsoever to do with doctors.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Anyone that is familiar with the...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:02:17 +0000

Author: shock639
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 1:02pm

Anyone that is familiar with the way the system works it will take a while. They just don't walk out of court and every changes. Change over will take time. Even if there were rulings today there will probably still be more hearings. It just doesn't happen overnight.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Stay calm everyone, I'm a...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:57:52 +0000

Author: Jack_Bauer
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 12:57pm

Stay calm everyone, I'm a doctor.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Superorb Originally...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:54:40 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 12:54pm

Originally posted by Superorb

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

Do I really have to quote myself.....

I think people want to hear that from an actual staff member and not just another member (even though you're an expert member).

Like I said, I aksed sombody (joke). Info is legit.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by alonOoowww....

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:50:31 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 12:50pm

Originally posted by alon

Ooowww. You know what I mean. What if I today order gears, and tommorow they will shutdown the business.

Then they cancel your order and your CC is never charged. Or, if you order now they may ship today, but I have a feeling they're probably focusing on the court hearing today.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Ooowww. You know what I mean....

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:19:21 +0000

Author: alon
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 12:19pm

Ooowww. You know what I mean. What if I today order gears, and tommorow they will shutdown the business.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Toobs So...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:14:02 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 12:14pm

Originally posted by Toobs

So basically u get a mushy cookie with your coffee . . . wow whats up with all the asian love fetish on this thread? Skinny lil asain chicks with no natural TNA look like lil boys. I'm not sayin i wouldnt spin the sh!t outta them but there's better in the world

Different strokes for different folks.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i may be indirectly responsible...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:12:55 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 12:12pm

i may be indirectly responsible for some of the asian love fetishing and the asian love referencing. Well possibly less than indirectly. But in my defence, i live here and i actually like kpop.

PS. Though i havent yet linked it, sign by brown eyed girls makes me really melancholic, which is pretty weird for kpop.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ippollitei...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:10:33 +0000

Author: Toobs
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 12:10pm

Originally posted by ippollite

i dont think you can order staff. I'm pretty sure thats also illegal. You can do it in korea though, theyre called coffee girls. What happens is, you order a coffee and a biker rides her to yoru door and she brings you the coffee in and then you get to mess about a bit. But oh no! its not prostitution because all yorue paying for is the really really expensive coffee! :)

So basically u get a mushy cookie with your coffee . . . wow whats up with all the asian love fetish on this thread? Skinny lil asain chicks with no natural TNA look like lil boys. I'm not sayin i wouldnt spin the sh!t outta them but there's better in the world

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe Originally...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:09:51 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 12:09pm

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

Do I really have to quote myself.....

I think people want to hear that from an actual staff member and not just another member (even though you're an expert member).

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by alonSo...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:06:59 +0000

Author: Toobs
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 12:06pm

Originally posted by alon

So What you think??. whether it is still safe to order staff on Sierra??

Try the Veal . . . Child! of course its safe to order staff

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i dont think you can order staff....

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:05:48 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 12:05pm

i dont think you can order staff. I'm pretty sure thats also illegal. You can do it in korea though, theyre called coffee girls. What happens is, you order a coffee and a biker rides her to yoru door and she brings you the coffee in and then you get to mess about a bit. But oh no! its not prostitution because all yorue paying for is the really really expensive coffee! :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe Hey...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:04:58 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 12:04pm

Do I really have to quote myself.....

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : just order whatever you want,...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:04:51 +0000

Author: BVoZ
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 12:04pm

just order whatever you want, if they don't ship it out you can cancel the payment on your credit card.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : So What you think??. whether it...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:59:53 +0000

Author: alon
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:59am

So What you think??. whether it is still safe to order staff on Sierra??

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : actually if you read the angry...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:57:41 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:57am

actually if you read the angry thread, it DOES answer almost every question since he posted up the scans by esq.

Speaking of... on EL he mentioned that the sides are pretty much holding the same positions as two weeks ago... ah screw it, heres his post:

There were several court filings yesterday: (1) three objections to the sale -- from the Creditors' Committee, US Trustee, and Burton; and (2) an additional brief and some declarations in support of the sale motion. Each side's position is basically the same as it was a couple weeks ago.

It looks like the hearing is still on for this afternoon. The House's president is in town -- at least he was yesterday -- probably for due diligence. Maybe he'll be at the hearing too. Regardless, I think it shows he is serious about getting the deal done.

I'll provide further updates when I have more information

So no backdoor deal has been done in the interim making this a shoe-in and it looks like its a case of who makes the best argument at the end of the day. :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by andrethegianti...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:46:48 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:46am

Originally posted by andrethegiant

i searched sierra bankrupt all over website and internet found something on angrysnowboarder.com but not a real answer

At this point in time a lot of what you might read is pure speculation and what has come out of the earlier court case. Hunt around this thread for the interpretation by ESQ of the court records so far. It's posted as an image containing text. There's only 18 pages so it should be easy to find.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by andrethegianti...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:45:23 +0000

Author: hana24
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:45am

Originally posted by andrethegiant

i searched sierra bankrupt all over website and internet found something on angrysnowboarder.com but not a real answer

You could start by....reading this thread

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i searched sierra bankrupt all...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:43:07 +0000

Author: andrethegiant
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:43am

i searched sierra bankrupt all over website and internet found something on angrysnowboarder.com but not a real answer

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by andrethegianti...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:42:18 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:42am

Originally posted by andrethegiant

i dont no haha i havent been on forums in past week or two and couldnt find a real reason just people pissed off at burton

You said you couldn't find an answer anywhere, so where did you look?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i dont no haha i havent been on...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:40:14 +0000

Author: andrethegiant
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:40am

i dont no haha i havent been on forums in past week or two and couldnt find a real reason just people pissed off at burton

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by andrethegiantthis...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:38:56 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:38am

Originally posted by andrethegiant

this may sound stupid but i cant find an answer anywhere are they going bankrupt cuz burton cut their business?

Are you lazy or illiterate? This has been beaten to death all over the forum including in this thread.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : this may sound stupid but i cant...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:36:18 +0000

Author: andrethegiant
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:36am

this may sound stupid but i cant find an answer anywhere are they going bankrupt cuz burton cut their business?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Until the case is heard and ruled...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:32:36 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:32am

Until the case is heard and ruled on they likely cannot discuss details for legal reasons. Hang tight people, we'll know what the deal is shortly.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : whats the deal yo??????????????????????????????going...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:27:28 +0000

Author: John-John
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:27am

whats the deal yo??????????????????????????????going under on not??just answer it to keep the people happy.the people have spoken

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : well there's no intuition...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:20:44 +0000

Author: wpiass
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:20am

well there's no intuition about it...either they have filed for bankruptcy or they haven't. isn't there an official person in-the-know at SS to set the record straight?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by azn_dandoes...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:19:55 +0000

Author: Toobs
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:19am

Originally posted by azn_dan

does the decision somehow affect buying it? I don't forsee any huge discounts if that's what your looking for and it has been confirmed many times that it is still safe to buy and have your orders processed pretty quickly...

im not worried bout the order goin through thats for sure, but if SS gets hosed some how, they may try to stick it to the new buyers/owners by slashin prices more? who knows? waiting an extra day won't kill me, its not like ill be hittin up anything till mid nov down here in socal.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : does the decision somehow affect...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:15:58 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:15am

does the decision somehow affect buying it? I don't forsee any huge discounts if that's what your looking for and it has been confirmed many times that it is still safe to buy and have your orders processed pretty quickly...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : waiting on today's decision...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:12:27 +0000

Author: Toobs
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 11:12am

waiting on today's decision to pick up a v board for my girl

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by craigaliciousi...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:53:47 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 10:53am

Originally posted by craigalicious

i think a lot of you are freaking out too much. i don't see SS going completely out of business. it's pretty rare for a company to go out of business just because of something like this. it may severely hurt the company financially, but i'm sure Mike has a plan to keep SS alive. have faith people!

Let's hope you're right, I've always liked hanging out here.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i think a lot of you are freaking...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:47:33 +0000

Author: craigalicious
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 10:47am

i think a lot of you are freaking out too much. i don't see SS going completely out of business. it's pretty rare for a company to go out of business just because of something like this. it may severely hurt the company financially, but i'm sure Mike has a plan to keep SS alive. have faith people!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : seriously, good luck!!!!

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:29:18 +0000

Author: ddomski
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 10:29am

seriously, good luck!!!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : can't wait to see what happens...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:14:42 +0000

Author: Hominator1
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 10:14am

can't wait to see what happens today. good luck, SS!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ^^ Look at what I posted above...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:11:12 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 10:11am

^^ Look at what I posted above yours.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Damn! Superorb snaked me!Question...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:10:56 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 10:10am

Damn! Superorb snaked me!

Question answered, thanks!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by MiguelMasThe...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:09:25 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 10:09am

Originally posted by MiguelMas

The collabs arent ''branded.'' They could be sold by anybody as ''limited editions.''

Well...there goes my theory of non-liquidation....here's a question, and sorry if it's been answered. Is selling all assets to the house at $X amount of dollars considered liquidation? Meaning, in theory if The House buys Sierra, then The House just adds to their inventory

I know there's other factors, like the web domain, and Mike as a consultant, etc, but just that one question...anybody know?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by dr86if...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:06:33 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 10:06am

Originally posted by dr86

if the liquidation was to take place, hopefully they give us a few days to make our last orders.

Liquidation usually means selling ALL available stock to a single buyer at a deep discount. They will not sell to the public as a mass exodus in stock would require more manpower to pick, pack and ship the orders.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : yup, I think alot of people are...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:57:37 +0000

Author: barnyard
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 9:57am

yup, I think alot of people are waiting on the results!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe Originally...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:25:08 +0000

Author: Stryker
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 9:25am

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

Originally posted by fostpaint

remains to be seen.

And the waiting begins!

Today is D- Day isn't it? OHHH the excitement.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Or they could just look at their...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:22:36 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 9:22am

Or they could just look at their burton made crew/stunt/reverse crew/vspot/bluebird and think... oh! hang on... :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by MiguelMasThe...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:19:29 +0000

Author: KilgoreTrout
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 9:19am

Originally posted by MiguelMas

The collabs arent ''branded.'' They could be sold by anybody as ''limited editions.''

Those who don't like Burton's branding efforts should take a moment and look at the industry as a whole or more simply take a look at the vast majority of snowboarders on your local mountain. 90%* of the people are decked out in heavily branded clothing and boards plastered w/ logos from nose to tail. If there is so much hate for the "corporation" they should do their damnedest to strip the stickers and patches from all their gear, and not be a sliding billboard. Sorry, I just see a bit of hypocrisy in regards to this subject.

*89.5% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : That's it! stay positive

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:19:24 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 9:19am

That's it! stay positive

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : maybe there will be a liquadation...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:03:37 +0000

Author: lightning80
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 9:03am

maybe there will be a liquadation sale at 70%?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : if the liquidation was to take...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:58:22 +0000

Author: dr86
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 8:58am

if the liquidation was to take place, hopefully they give us a few days to make our last orders.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by MiguelMasThe...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:56:57 +0000

Author: shwazy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 8:56am

Originally posted by MiguelMas

The collabs arent ''branded.'' They could be sold by anybody as ''limited editions.''

That doesn't really explain why a company would be making deals with Sierra at this juncture. Knowing the circumstance you would think they would require COD. If that is the case why would Sierra want to give up cash at this stage knowing what options lie ahead? Hard to understand this in my opinion.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by SnowSurfrWelcome...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:45:35 +0000

Author: CoMtnRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 8:45am

Originally posted by SnowSurfr

Welcome to "Sierra House"... I was looking at some Burton Bindings from 2 years ago that are 30% off, last years are a whopping 26% off. I get that a company can't go 70% off and sustain itself. I'm happy to get 40% on last years stuff, thats a good deal, but 2 yr old stuff should be 40-50% off.

There is a reason Burton is working with the House, they know they won't discount their stuff and they can keep their "Luxury" brand appearance. I like the gear reviews The House does on YOUTUBE but I have never seen something on that site I couldn't find cheaper elsewhere.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by fostpaintremains...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:45:09 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 8:45am

Originally posted by fostpaint

remains to be seen.

And the waiting begins!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by fostpaintIf...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:42:09 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 8:42am

Originally posted by fostpaint

If Ch7 gets approved, Sierra as a standalone business is done as we know it. However, the domain name/Intellectual property being owned by Mike and not MAM (or debate around it) means that the website could continue to exist in some form after all this. Sounds like that's what the deal with the House would entail. How independent the Sierra site would be from the House if all this goes through as planned remains to be seen.

Plus if whoever takes ownership of the site does not also take ownership of the sales side of things they'll have to hire a programmer to remove all the forums from the online store. If I remember correctly, they're pretty well intertwined. That would be a huge effort and probably best served by the original guys that coded the Sierra site in the first place.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : The collabs arent ''branded.''...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:35:30 +0000

Author: MiguelMas
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 8:35am

The collabs arent ''branded.'' They could be sold by anybody as ''limited editions.''

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by RideTimelessDid...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:32:17 +0000

Author: itr43
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 8:32am

Originally posted by RideTimeless

Did somebody already mention that they are in the works with the snowboard bags? The S90 and Sierrascope is already locked down. If they were going fwd with Ch11, would it make sense to move fwd with these projects...with the intent to liquidate them? I think there's something else going on behind the scenes. imo.

I was wondering the same thing. If The House buys out Sierra, what happens to the collabs?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Welcome to "Sierra House"......

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:31:49 +0000

Author: SnowSurfr
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 8:31am

Welcome to "Sierra House"... I was looking at some Burton Bindings from 2 years ago that are 30% off, last years are a whopping 26% off. I get that a company can't go 70% off and sustain itself. I'm happy to get 40% on last years stuff, thats a good deal, but 2 yr old stuff should be 40-50% off.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Did somebody already mention that...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:28:33 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 8:28am

Did somebody already mention that they are in the works with the snowboard bags? The S90 and Sierrascope is already locked down. If they were going fwd with Ch11, would it make sense to move fwd with these projects...with the intent to liquidate them? I think there's something else going on behind the scenes. imo.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Superorb Originally...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:55:32 +0000

Author: fostpaint
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 7:55am

Originally posted by Superorb

Originally posted by Deuces

keep in mind too, bankruptcy doesnt necessarily mean ss is gone....chapter 7 is designed to get businesses back on their feet, not ruin them

Chapter 11 is reorganization, chapter 7 is asset liquidation. They filed a motion to move from ch11 to ch7.

^This

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Deuceskeep...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:50:39 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 7:50am

Originally posted by Deuces

keep in mind too, bankruptcy doesnt necessarily mean ss is gone....chapter 7 is designed to get businesses back on their feet, not ruin them

Chapter 11 is reorganization, chapter 7 is asset liquidation. They filed a motion to move from ch11 to ch7.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : keep in mind too, bankruptcy doesnt...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:30:12 +0000

Author: Deuces
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 7:30am

keep in mind too, bankruptcy doesnt necessarily mean ss is gone....chapter 7 is designed to get businesses back on their feet, not ruin them

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : let's be honest..almost all...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:04:01 +0000

Author: JandJBlks2k
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 7:04am

let's be honest..almost all consumers want to save money..so if they can try the gears at a loc shop or sportschalet..something, to get the correct fitment..then ordering online to save cheese they would..sometimes other sites offer free shipping and no tax..it'd be safe to assume that people would go for a deal that would save them easy 50 bucks or even more correct? bec. that money saved can go to another gear..

example: the gf wanted this one forum board..at sportschalet it was $325..then here at this website they have the same exact board and she got it for 180+tax/freeship..so still a lot less than 'chalet..no need for a debate where to get it..you sense?

*keep afloat SS!!*

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Today is the day for next court.I'll...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 06:59:44 +0000

Author: shock639
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 6:59am

Today is the day for next court.

I'll be waiting for an informed member to post the results from todays' hearing.

I truly have seen both sides from the beginning: I do believe Burton has the right to say what ever price they want there goods sold at...but I also believe Sierra has the right to sell the goods they have purchased for whatever they want. My opinion is a big catch 22.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by classic_ben Originally...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 06:44:49 +0000

Author: fostpaint
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 6:44am

Originally posted by classic_ben

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by CO_champagne

. . . local shops hate it because people try on in store, then go buy online.

That's one thing about online purchases I'm morally against.

I'm all for bying online - BUT if you buy gear online, DO NOT check it out first at your local shop!

The thing about Sierra is that not only do you get lower online prices, you ALSO get the personal advice you'd otherwise get from the salesperson at your local store (probably much better advice in a lot of cases).

So what do local stores have to offer? That's right - the opportunity to physically touch/see/try the item. As far as I'm concerned, if you MUST physically touch/see the item before you buy, then ALSO buy from that store. At the very least, buy a hat, shirt or hoodie - look at it as tipping them for their service.

I think your last sentence sums up my attitude well...it's ok to try in store and but online, but if people don't buy anything, local stores will vanish.

local shops can't survive on beanie sales alone...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : try using this tag: url

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 06:33:52 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 6:33am

try using this tag:

[tube]url[/sameword]

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by bugsbunnymydadyuhui...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 05:41:16 +0000

Author: yuhui
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 5:41am

naw not asain hip hop.. these

[tube]uRcgZTbORxE[/tube]

knive show used this one in one of their edits

[tube]Z7xjkSUamIk&feature=related[/tube]

the first song in this one is also them

[tube]sAAE4vlHVQs[/tube]

they're a group from philadelphia

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I will never have been more sad...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 01:26:58 +0000

Author: Durugon2
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 1:26am

I will never have been more sad to see a company go,

good people here, great community, Sierra you didn't have to give away boards if it would come to this!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 01:01:23 +0000

Author: classic_ben
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 1:01am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by CO_champagne

. . . local shops hate it because people try on in store, then go buy online.

That's one thing about online purchases I'm morally against.

I'm all for bying online - BUT if you buy gear online, DO NOT check it out first at your local shop!

I think your last sentence sums up my attitude well...it's ok to try in store and but online, but if people don't buy anything, local stores will vanish.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : heres what i think of: http:/...

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:21:32 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/22/2010 at 12:21am

heres what i think of:

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9ZaczalgvE[/tube]

did that hamster just...?

Heres it's counterforce :):

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdhIhPick_Q&NR=1[/tube]

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Asian hiphop always makes me...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:50:44 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 11:50pm

Asian hiphop always makes me think of Cibo Matto for some reason.

[TUBE]COMWwwv_MTk&feature=related[/TUBE]

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : T(tasha) (Yoon MiRae) comes right...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:32:01 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 11:32pm

T(tasha) (Yoon MiRae) comes right from the heart.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : yuhui > You talking about Asian...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:15:54 +0000

Author: bugsbunnymydad
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 11:15pm

yuhui > You talking about Asian hiphop? I think Asian + good fresh hiphop is an oxymoron lol... The only Asian hiphop I've heard that had me going 'good sh$t' were LMF from HK. Cantonese sounds surprisingly sick when done right. Japanese/Korean/Mandarin sounds too "soft" for hiphop imo. But I'm willing to be proven wrong! Korean techtonic is pretty sweet though.

Hiphop = English or French in my mind. Yes, French...

And hey, it's Sept 22nd!! (well here anyway) Hopefully we get some new information in the next few days. I'm sure there will be people scouring the court documents and such.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : b...b...but... kpop?

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:02:18 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 11:02pm

b...b...but... kpop?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ippollite SNSD...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:00:05 +0000

Author: yuhui
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 11:00pm

Originally posted by ippollite

i reckon i did my part for thread crapping, but had to respond. My students had me watch the japanese video and it rips the energy out of both the song itself AND the video is really lame. Honestly, who is in charge of this japanese debut? why did they make them a shadow of their selves? Bleh!

Here they are in their awesomeness:
[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJproFgwUOs&feature=related[/tube]

Im not even going to post their japanese version because its lack of energy offends me :)

who cares about thAt stuff man.. Some good fresh hip hop is what we need, I'm not talkin about black eyed peas, I'm talking about ground up, chiddy bang, etc .. I'll embed a video when I get on a computer

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : SNSD is cool. They recently...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:44:16 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 10:44pm

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by CO_champagne....

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:20:28 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 6:20pm

Originally posted by CO_champagne

. . . local shops hate it because people try on in store, then go buy online.

That's one thing about online purchases I'm morally against.

I'm all for bying online - BUT if you buy gear online, DO NOT check it out first at your local shop!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:46:11 +0000

Author: Sintexo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 5:46pm

Originally posted by surfnsnow4

what the eff. i dont get it they have so many members and stuff and i know i have bought stuff and im assuming other people do. so how are they going undeR?

Please go back and read. It's explained or described or mentioned on this thread at least once per page.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : what the eff. i dont get it they...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:38:41 +0000

Author: surfnsnow4
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 5:38pm

what the eff. i dont get it they have so many members and stuff and i know i have bought stuff and im assuming other people do. so how are they going undeR?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : sucks.. great site, and great...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:36:34 +0000

Author: AyChan87
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 5:36pm

sucks.. great site, and great point system, i guess we are hoping for a miracle

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I love going to a store and trying...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:32:01 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 5:32pm

I love going to a store and trying on gear!!!! I made an impulse 'MUST HAVE' purchase from doing that last winter. tihii!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by rookMember...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:18:41 +0000

Author: zabisket
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 5:18pm

Originally posted by rook

Member level discount = good as gone, but gift cards would most likely be honored. You don't but a website for a few million and then piss of all the people you paid to get contact info for in the first day. I could see something like, you have X# of days to redeem and them and them all others will be canceled.

the member discount is really nice to have but that is the least of my worries, i just hope my gift card doesnt just disappear one day if all things are said and done...i probably should get around to spending that in the next month...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by dvdnguplaying...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:08:14 +0000

Author: CO_champagne
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 5:08pm

Originally posted by dvdngu

playing with new gear in person is so much more fun though :D

Yep, you just can't quite get the same feel from internet pictures. But local shops hate it because people try on in store, then go buy online.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : playing with new gear in person...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:04:37 +0000

Author: dvdngu
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 5:04pm

playing with new gear in person is so much more fun though :D

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : okay, so then the "if not"...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:56:48 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 4:56pm

okay, so then the "if not" sentence applies to you..

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : my local shops have no selection....

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:39:30 +0000

Author: ma3lstrom13
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 4:39pm

my local shops have no selection. its hard to find one's size there.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : SS was my local shop....

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:26:23 +0000

Author: lightning80
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 4:26pm

SS was my local shop....

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenserthe...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:20:40 +0000

Author: Boneseh
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 4:20pm

Originally posted by spenser

the house and sierra are not the only sites to buy from.

first, buy from your local shop.

if not, check out various others that are great shops with great deals.

My local shop would be hundreds of miles away. :P

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenserthe...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:16:35 +0000

Author: dvdngu
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 4:16pm

Originally posted by spenser

the house and sierra are not the only sites to buy from.

first, buy from your local shop.

if not, check out various others that are great shops with great deals.

i wish socal had a bigger selection of local shops ):

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : the house and sierra are not the...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:15:03 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 4:15pm

the house and sierra are not the only sites to buy from.

first, buy from your local shop.

if not, check out various others that are great shops with great deals.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I remember last year, prior knowing...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:13:13 +0000

Author: JandJBlks2k
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 4:13pm

I remember last year, prior knowing this site..I used to order at the-house..then got hooked up to this website..awesome prices..sick ass deals..and great customer service..I bought all my boards/gears at the house..prior knowing this site..a week after I bought the goodies from their site, I saw that SS had the same items for at least 100 bucks less!!! so I had the-house price adjust all the purchases and saved almost 300 bucks! I had a store credit..the person helping me out said SS just put a middle finger in the industry by selling the items that low..lol..true story!

SADLY, now the-house would have a hand on SS..smh..AND HIGHLY HHHIIIGGGHLLYLYYY doubtful, that they'd honor any discounts! that's for sure..

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeysCome...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:55:53 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 1:55pm

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Come on spenser. Are you really saying they've got around 8 million cash they can just pull out of their pockets and pay up? Really?

Really???

It's OBVIOUS that as far as Sierra goes, Burton were/are out for blood.

i was informed by a staff member that the numbers we have heard as far as how much they owe are less than half of what is actually true. and yes, i absolutely do think that sierra has 4 million or more, and mike. but thats just a guess; i dont know for sure. my little shop that did 500k in sales on our best year has had over 100k in the bank at one point. why wouldnt sierra, a WAY bigger shop that does WAY WAY WAY more sales not have a lot more money in the bank?

i was also told by that person that the reason burton pulled out WAS because of the vendor agreement. you would think a staff member would know, right? according to him, burton had the right to pull out all along, because of broken vendor agreements, but they didnt do so until they got the house to sign a contract that would help make up for their (burton's) lost sales by not having sierra as a vendor.

again, that is just what he told me. technically its not proof, and im not trying to pass it as such.. but im just sayin....

and now.... this is a good one, worth watching.

[tube]http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=7176035[/tube]

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : thanks for the info. I was hoping...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:34:39 +0000

Author: trosy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 1:34pm

thanks for the info. I was hoping to use it on some of the new stock, but it seems I might have to use it sooner than later.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by rookgift...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:09:30 +0000

Author: Marumm
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 1:09pm

Originally posted by rook

gift cards would most likely be honored.

That's not always the case: http://www.cnbc.com/id/27769948/Gift_Card_Issuer_Bankrupt_Here_s_What_To_Do

Hopefully it won't come to it, but if I did have a gift card with a company I was concerned about, I'd unload it in a hurry.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : This would really be horrible....

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:58:10 +0000

Author: Stryker
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 12:58pm

This would really be horrible. Not looking forward to it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Well we can still hope they dont...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:53:09 +0000

Author: CoMtnRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 12:53pm

Well we can still hope they dont sell and just operate as is, but I think we all know that probably isn't happening.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Member level discount = good as...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:51:21 +0000

Author: rook
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 12:51pm

Member level discount = good as gone, but gift cards would most likely be honored. You don't but a website for a few million and then piss of all the people you paid to get contact info for in the first day. I could see something like, you have X# of days to redeem and them and them all others will be canceled.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : unlikely to shut it down but I...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:47:47 +0000

Author: CoMtnRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 12:47pm

unlikely to shut it down but I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't honor any coupons or rewards for member levels.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ^^^ in theory you could get screwed...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:45:51 +0000

Author: rook
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 12:45pm

^^^ in theory you could get screwed over...... the House could by SS.com and all the stock and just shut it down, but that is unlikely.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I would also like to know what's...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:33:35 +0000

Author: MrStak
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 12:33pm

I would also like to know what's going to happen with gift cards from a previous price adjustment...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Has anyone heard what will happen...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:52:44 +0000

Author: trosy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 11:52am

Has anyone heard what will happen w/ gift cards if the sale of Sierra goes through or if it doesn't go through? I have one from a price change, and I'm trying to figure out whether to use it now or later. Thanks in advance for any info.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe Originally...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:39:36 +0000

Author: BudAshes
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 11:39am

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

Originally posted by Superorb

Ordered some Goggles yesterday and they shipped today :) All is well in Sierra Land (for now).

Like I said.... after the 22nd you will still be able to put in orders for at least a month (ish)

i'd imagine they want to get things figured out before the season starts in the U.S.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by SuperorbOrdered...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:29:26 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 11:29am

Originally posted by Superorb

Ordered some Goggles yesterday and they shipped today :) All is well in Sierra Land (for now).

Like I said.... after the 22nd you will still be able to put in orders for at least a month (ish)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : If it becomes owned by the house,...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:20:42 +0000

Author: ddomski
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 11:20am

If it becomes owned by the house, I wonder if this becomes a fully owned subsidiary that operates business as usual, or if it is entirely re-branded?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Ordered some Goggles yesterday...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:18:10 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 11:18am

Ordered some Goggles yesterday and they shipped today :) All is well in Sierra Land (for now).

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ^ thanks!

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:15:39 +0000

Author: barnyard
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 11:15am

^ thanks!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I'm on it Bugs

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:58:47 +0000

Author: fostpaint
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 9:58am

I'm on it Bugs

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ippolliteyeah...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:52:17 +0000

Author: bugsbunnymydad
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 9:52am

Originally posted by ippollite

yeah whatevers! your MOTHER WORKS IN MCDONALDS!

Hyoyeon though is clearly the macdaddie.

SNSD is cool. They recently debuted in Japan with one of their big hits...I forgot the name. Their singing in Japanese is kinda bad though lol... crazy Korean accent but hell if I care. Korean music videos are way hotter and way more sexual than the lame crap in Japan.

Wow, I just realized I'm discussing Kpop in a thread titled Bankruptcy and Liquidation... OH WELL!!!!

And by the way ippolite, can u do something about this guy 'slydogzer'? He's "reviewing" all the 2011 gear by reposting the product description. Not sure if expert members can flag reviews as spam... I don't mind if a guy writes a bad review without intending to but this guy is so goddamn lazy and deliberate it pisses me off. He's "reviewing" men's boards, men's bindings, women's boards/bindings... ugh

Edit - Just skimmed the reviews for a lot of the 2011 products... half of em are spam reviews... pretty sad state of affairs @ sierra. To be expected with so many of their staff laid off I guess. More mod powers should be given to the expert members... Let them deal with crap like this.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by azn_danalright,...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:27:33 +0000

Author: SnowSurfr
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 9:27am

Originally posted by azn_dan

alright, before this gets blown up into a huge online flaming war of words, how about we all relax and enjoy the things that we like in common (well, atleast most of us....)

wow best post in this thread!!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : heres a quick reminder though...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:14:50 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 9:14am

heres a quick reminder though of who really is in charge of korea:

long scroll for zoe to avoid the semi claddery

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : dang, i get all my stuff from...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:00:59 +0000

Author: jayeasy619
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 9:00am

dang, i get all my stuff from sierra. hope this isnt true

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : yeah whatevers! your MOTHER WORKS...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:58:47 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 8:58am

yeah whatevers! your MOTHER WORKS IN MCDONALDS!

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ4Au51D6Ok&feature=related[/tube]

Hyoyeon though is clearly the macdaddie.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : yes, proof that my edited statement...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:42:31 +0000

Author: eldolocal68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 8:42am

yes, proof that my edited statement is "truth".

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : eh, i find their legs alright....

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:39:42 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 8:39am

eh, i find their legs alright. None of them really have any exaggerated features either, but i guess that's what koreans find likeable (i am assuming this is some korean thing?)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : YA!!! Proof part 2: You only...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:39:05 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 8:39am

YA!!!

Proof part 2: You only need to watch the first three or so parts.

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HREg1ncUNdE&feature=related[/tube] Skip to about 4 minutes and they start ripping into each other :)

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUgluiRhb9s&feature=related[/tube]

You can find the rest yourself if you like :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Yea... b/c they're like 12...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:38:35 +0000

Author: ecumike
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 8:38am

Yea... b/c they're like 12 yrs old.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ippolliteps....

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:32:19 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 8:32am

Originally posted by ippollite

ps. does anyone else find it gross how non of these gals have any muscle on their legs? they all look like hotdogs.....................................

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenserits...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:23:50 +0000

Author: ACRucrazy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 8:23am

Originally posted by spenser

its a black snow, and oldschool plastic board. i had one when i was little too, but it didnt have bindings..

Fuckin right! I wanted one SOoooooooooooo bad when I was a kid. Target sold Black Snow plastic with metal edges IIRC and "hoop" straps for your boot. Black Snow.. Black, purple/pink decals. Damn time flies.

I saw that vid, and thought, WTF, is he riding a Black Snow?!

OK, EDIT: I watched it a 2nd time, looks like it has bindings to me, I dont think its a BS, but it sure looks like one!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ipollite, read my edited post...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:21:09 +0000

Author: eldolocal68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 8:21am

ipollite, read my edited post above^^^^

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ippollite, your 1st truth is...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:20:08 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 8:20am

ippollite, your 1st truth is in stage 1, and your 2nd truth is in stage 2, and i am not really sure is "truth" to begin with...

See, you're proving my point you know. The truth of these clear and distinct facts will never be accepted for the truths they clearly are

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeysCome...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:16:35 +0000

Author: shwazy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 8:16am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Come on spenser. Are you really saying they've got around 8 million cash they can just pull out of their pockets and pay up? Really?

Really???

It's OBVIOUS that as far as Sierra goes, Burton were/are out for blood.

I am confused here. Sierra owed Burton 8 million large ones for product and at this point has pretty much sold all Burton product so why wouldn't they have the funds to pay Burton back? Maybe my timeline for this is all out of whack. It sounds like a big part of the problem here was a cash flow issue.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ippollite, your 1st truth is in...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:16:19 +0000

Author: eldolocal68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 8:16am

ippollite, your 1st truth is in stage 1, and your 2nd truth is in stage 2, and i am not really sure is "truth" to begin with...edit: after seeing the picture, i know it definitely isn't "truth" at all, but jus' your poor misguided opinion, #2,#3,#4, and #8, are all much cuter!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by AlinaaaIs...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:11:43 +0000

Author: ACRucrazy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 8:11am

Originally posted by Alinaaa

Is Sierra still shipping items? I have a big 'wish-list' and i am not putting that in my cart if it's not shipped out offcourse..

I placed an order Sunday it was shipped out yesterday, fedex says I will have it Sat.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenseri...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:09:17 +0000

Author: ACRucrazy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 8:09am

Originally posted by spenser

i still find it funny that some people really think burton is the bad guy here, like they blatantly did something wrong and WANT to put sierra out of business.

i went through a stressful week not long ago of hating burton from a business standpoint because of my own shop, so needless to say i am NOT a burton fanboy and have no real unnatural reason to be in favor of them. i could easily be part of the group that thinks this is their fault, but if you look at the facts and if you understand how all of this works from a business standpoint, it simply is not. im not referring to speculated "facts," im referring to factual facts. legally factual. and no burton is not perfect here either, but still.

and god damnit im tired of talking about this. i only said something because you just brought my name up. might just have to get myself banned so i cant post anymore.

Agreed, 100%. The Burton haters or those who put blame on B is quite laughable.

"without Burton this wouldn't have happened, etc etc"

Well without SS this wouldnt have happend, hows that? Look at the other side of the coin. It takes 2 to tango.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : All Truth passes through three...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:52:04 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 7:52am

All Truth passes through three stages- First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. and Third, It is accepted as being self evident.

...assuming a zero point of infinity of course :) What about all the truths that are truths but have yet to be acknowledged as truth and may in fact never be acknowledged as truth? For example, the truth that my degree is actually useful and not at all the gigantic waste of time everyone thinks it is. Or that Soo Young is by far the cutest funniest sexiest woman in Korea, despite EVERYONE i know (including students) thinking im deranged for even putting her in the top 7 girls of girls generation.

Proof! shes the tall one at the far right <3

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe Originally...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:46:44 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 7:46am

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

Originally posted by Superorb

How do you know this? I would've held off on ordering some stuff and waited for the new gear if I'd known this yesterday :(

CUZ I AXED SOMBODY

That's some fantastic English skills you've got there

Oh well, thanks for the info. That's good news for those who still want to place orders.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Superorb Originally...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:44:52 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 7:44am

Originally posted by Superorb

How do you know this? I would've held off on ordering some stuff and waited for the new gear if I'd known this yesterday :(

CUZ I AXED SOMBODY

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : All Truth passes through three...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:24:06 +0000

Author: eldolocal68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 7:24am

All Truth passes through three stages- First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. and Third, It is accepted as being self evident.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : haha, im only posting kpop from...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:21:56 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 7:21am

haha, im only posting kpop from here on in :) Its about as safe as you can get.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe Hey...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:18:48 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 7:18am

How do you know this? I would've held off on ordering some stuff and waited for the new gear if I'd known this yesterday :(

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Hey all, just an FYI... if...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:11:20 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 7:11am

Hey all, just an FYI... if on the 22nd the sale is approved and Sierra sells their goodies to another store you should still be able to place orders for at least a month... so breath easy and hang tight.

*also, I check this thread at work.... I'd appreciate it not turned into a NSFW thread O_o, I hate when my boss walks by and there are tittys and ass all over my screen.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : and the fun thing is, nothing...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:42:32 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 6:42am

and the fun thing is, nothing will even come out on the 22nd. Thats the date for the deal being decided upon. If the sale does go through, then nothing comes out, and if the sale doesnt go through, then we have to wait much longer for the actual hearing that would reveal certain information. Really, i anticipate this thread will keep on until we murder it with softcore :)

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRhI56ZZbww[/tube]

And for everyone that wants to see rain's boobs:

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx2lnZ_WjkA[/tube]

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : fost, nice.Spenser that airblaster...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:36:05 +0000

Author: Boneseh
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 6:36am

fost, nice.

Spenser that airblaster video was sweet. The guy riding accelerated in a fraction of a section. That was sick.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : We're still throwing about...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:25:25 +0000

Author: fostpaint
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 6:25am

We're still throwing about wild speculation and conjecture in this thread, this close to the court date? It's too bad this isn't happening in December or January so that we could fill this thread with "Shut up and go ride" posts.

Really, we should all go step away from this thread for 24-48 hours and see how it all plays out. Everyone has opinions on the case and who's right who's wrong (though I'm amazed at how black and white some people see this on both sides). Those opinions really won't mean crap with regards to the outcome of the case.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Come on spenser. Are you really...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:06:16 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 6:06am

Come on spenser. Are you really saying they've got around 8 million cash they can just pull out of their pockets and pay up? Really?

Really???

It's OBVIOUS that as far as Sierra goes, Burton were/are out for blood.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : pretty sure sierra has the money...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:01:41 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 6:01am

pretty sure sierra has the money to pay them out of pocket. true, i dont have access to their bank account(s), but i would be surprised if they didnt have the money. i bet mike does personally too. he and his dad are pretty wealthy guys from what we know.

so you did the math and in your opinion they want sierra out of business. there is still no proof. its fine, its your opinion.. but its still an opinion, not fact. you are not burton, so..

truthfully i am tired of talking about this and its not worth it, and we cant change anything anyway. tomorrow is the court date, so.. we will see, i suppose?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : In the absence of legally verifiable...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 05:56:24 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 5:56am

In the absence of legally verifiable evidence (of which, of course, there is none) you have to look at what's in front of you. Burton had much more chance of getting all their money back from Sierra if they DIDN'T demand it all immediately - that's just common sense. However, Burton had much more chance of putting Sierra out of business if they DID demand it all immediately. Do the math.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : youre right. and the contract...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 05:47:41 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 5:47am

youre right. and the contract would be proof. and on the other side, you said burton is trying to put sierra out of business, so wheres the proof for that? see what im sayin?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : alright, before this gets blown...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 05:45:53 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 5:45am

alright, before this gets blown up into a huge online flaming war of words, how about we all relax and enjoy the things that we like in common (well, atleast most of us....)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenserpurdy...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 05:44:24 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 5:44am

Originally posted by spenser

purdy sure he wasnt asking for an actual document that states it. he knows there wouldnt be such a thing, and that was his point. . .

The thing is, spenser, if "that was his point", then it's an asinine point - because the two scenarios being compared ARE NOT the same. For a vendor agreement to actually be in place, there has to be a signed contract, on the other hand. . .

(grabs a baseball bat and looks for the nearest dead horse)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by a...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 05:20:36 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 5:20am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by spenser

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by pipecode

So, Burton demanded the entire payment to put Sierra out of business? And that's the only reason? As you would say, SHOW ME THE PROOF! Otherwise, it's just hearsay.

In context, that would mean you'd like to see Sierra produce a signed, legally binding contract with Burton, obligating Burton to put Sierra out of business. Deluded much?

that is not at all what he was implying or asking for. he was making a point more than anything, and i think he made it.

Actually spenser - IN CONTEXT, that's exactly what he was asking for.

purdy sure he wasnt asking for an actual document that states it. he knows there wouldnt be such a thing, and that was his point. you want proof for the side that opposes yours, and he is both asking for proof for your side, as well as making a point that you cant really give any. theres nothing that says burton only did it to put sierra out of business besides what mike said in the courts, but thats just his biased opinion as of right now, and it hasnt been proven or disproved either way, exactly like what it says in the summary right before that, which is that sierra was not on time with their payments like they agreed. neither has been proven or disproved either way, they are just the alleged problems that each side has stated so far.

but anyway....

[tube]http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=10307074[/tube]

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : looked like a powder stick to...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 05:04:38 +0000

Author: humdingaling
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 5:04am

looked like a powder stick to me lol

goes to show....90/10 so true

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenser Originally...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 05:04:36 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 5:04am

Originally posted by spenser

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

In context, that would mean you'd like to see Sierra produce a signed, legally binding contract with Burton, obligating Burton to put Sierra out of business. Deluded much?

that is not at all what he was implying or asking for. he was making a point more than anything, and i think he made it.

Actually spenser - IN CONTEXT, that's exactly what he was asking for.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : its a black snow, and oldschool...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:59:37 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 4:59am

its a black snow, and oldschool plastic board. i had one when i was little too, but it didnt have bindings..

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : what board is he riding definately...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:57:40 +0000

Author: humdingaling
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 4:57am

what board is he riding

definately unique shape for park

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by kinglcSpenser,...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:29:06 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 4:29am

Originally posted by kinglc

Spenser, the video is sick! was that you in the video?

haha no. i think both of you missed the first one so i assume you mean the second. that was airblaster rider jonas michilot having a great time. i want to have a great time too.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Spenser, the video is sick! was...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:28:01 +0000

Author: kinglc
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 4:28am

Spenser, the video is sick! was that you in the video?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=13969558...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:28:00 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 4:28am

[tube]http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=13969558[/tube]

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Nice video Spenser, post a few...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:24:06 +0000

Author: ctoma
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 4:24am

Nice video Spenser, post a few more here so these damned arguments can fade to the background...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:12:43 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 4:12am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

In context, that would mean you'd like to see Sierra produce a signed, legally binding contract with Burton, obligating Burton to put Sierra out of business. Deluded much?

that is not at all what he was implying or asking for. he was making a point more than anything, and i think he made it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : We find out results on the 22nd...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 03:08:30 +0000

Author: koji3
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 3:08am

We find out results on the 22nd of sept right? not long now..

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecodeSo,...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:38:27 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 2:38am

In context, that would mean you'd like to see Sierra produce a signed, legally binding contract with Burton, obligating Burton to put Sierra out of business. Deluded much?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 01:09:38 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 1:09am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by Fearme

My god the level of stupidity from the 70% fanboys just keeps going up, I thought it peaked but no it seems to be never ending. It's called business if you sell something that you did not make and bought it at wholesale, they wholesaler generally likes to be paid on time. I've seen plenty of shops pull this same bullshit over the last decade it shtooking happens. The last shop I worked for the owner snorted all the profits up her nose and ended up getting ass raped by Volkl Marker along with a few other brands it ended the exact same way. Oh noes someone wants to get paid.

You people are shtooking mentally challenged you don't know crap about the snowboard industry except for a select few and those people were smart enough to realize Sierra's greed caught up to them.

Fucking retards that's the only way to describe it. Now someone go quote this before the ban fairy gets all happy hard on harry and jerks his magic unicorn stick and I get IP banned again.

If YOU actually had a clue, you be aware that Sierra's payments to Burton were part-payments, periodically - and that Burton demanded the entire payment in total in a deliberate attempt to put Sierra out of business. Try harder next time, you're embarrassing yourself.

Pathetic.

So, Burton demanded the entire payment to put Sierra out of business? And that's the only reason? As you would say, SHOW ME THE PROOF! Otherwise, it's just hearsay.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by FearmeMy...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:53:29 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 12:53am

Pathetic.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by FearmeMy...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:28:23 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 12:28am

This is close to what I've been saying (although a little nicer and more legally relevant) nonetheless, the same.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : My god the level of stupidity...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:25:51 +0000

Author: Fearme
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 12:25am

My god the level of stupidity from the 70% fanboys just keeps going up, I thought it peaked but no it seems to be never ending. It's called business if you sell something that you did not make and bought it at wholesale, they wholesaler generally likes to be paid on time. I've seen plenty of shops pull this same bullshit over the last decade it shtooking happens. The last shop I worked for the owner snorted all the profits up her nose and ended up getting ass raped by Volkl Marker along with a few other brands it ended the exact same way. Oh noes someone wants to get paid.

You people are shtooking mentally challenged you don't know crap about the snowboard industry except for a select few and those people were smart enough to realize Sierra's greed caught up to them.

shtooking retards that's the only way to describe it. Now someone go quote this before the ban fairy gets all happy hard on harry and jerks his magic unicorn stick and I get IP banned again.

I also have a mancrush on BRUIZZA.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by yodisbsteve...from...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:17:00 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 12:17am

Originally posted by yodisbsteve

... from what ive read sierras been the shady one.

Go back through this thread and read it again, because clearly you missed A LOT the first time.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=10856576 ...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:16:09 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 12:16am

[tube]http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=10856576[/tube]

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys You...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:13:04 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 12:13am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

You may as well go with the "Sierra stole Burton's magic flying unicorn" argument - because without PROOF, it has just as much validity as your current theory.

So, is this where I'm supposed to say "rolls eyes", "facepalms", etc?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:09:34 +0000

Author: yodisbsteve
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 12:09am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by spenser

i still find it funny that some people really think burton is the bad guy here, like they blatantly did something wrong and WANT to put sierra out of business.

Burton DID NOT need to demand full immediate payment from Sierra - they chose to because it suited their greedy agenda. Just because Burton are acting within the law (at least they claim they are), doesn't mean they're not "the bad guy here". Burton IS trying to put Sierra out of business, Sierra IS NOT trying to put Burton out of business.

@athousandmonkeys That is a pretty ridiculous statement. Why would a business not demand full payment on what is rightfully owed to them?

you are just blindly in sierras corners and hating on burton.

I like this site/community/deals as much as the next person, but from what ive read sierras been the shady one.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : You may as well go with the...

Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:07:48 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/21/2010 at 12:07am

You may as well go with the "Sierra stole Burton's magic flying unicorn" argument - because without PROOF, it has just as much validity as your current theory.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeysI've...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:34:37 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 11:34pm

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

I've been both a juror and a witness in cases where MULTIPLE offences were tried SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Your diversionary tactics are entirely transparent. You simply refuse to admit that as neither you, nor ANYONE else has produced evidence of a legally binding "vendor agreement" between Burton and Sierra, in the eyes of the law it DOES NOT EXIST - so you're throwing asinine conjecture into the mix in a futile attempt to divert attention.

Jurors are only brought in on criminal cases, so that is irrelevant in this case (and your first hand knowledge means nothing in this case). As far as diversionary tactics, I'm only trying to explain what might (should) be going on with the cases, and nothing more, even though you believe it to be so. The lack of presence of the agreement does not mean it does not exists (and does not mean it does not exists in the eyes of the law), it simply means that it has not been presented yet. A seperate case may be building, but has not yet been presented. Keep drinking the kool aid and believe what you will. I'm just trying to present different sides to the argument, which you seem to have trouble dealing with.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecode...learn...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:28:35 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 11:28pm

Originally posted by pipecode

... learn a little of how the court system actually works (Instead of how it works on tv) before posting such nonsense.

I've been both a juror and a witness in cases where MULTIPLE offences were tried SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:22:53 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 11:22pm

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by pipecode

Not really. You wouldn't sue for everything at this point. You go for the upfront shot, in this case the lack of payments. Then, you can fall back on the dealer agreements. A smart lawyer would NEVER put all this in one suit, because if you lose based on a technicality, you lose everything. This way, you can fall back on suit number 2. I'm guessing you've never dealt with this.

Yes, of course (rolls eyes). Because you never ever see people in court, for example, charged on "X counts of X", do you? Nooooooo, that's right - every little thing is tried individually, because they just LOVE IT when the courts are unnecessarily tied up, don't they!

Also, I would like to note that what you are comparing to, in that charges are compounded, are things like rape, murder, theft, etc. Again, things that are major and you see on tv, and NOT how corporate lawsuits work.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:20:02 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 11:20pm

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

You watch too much tv. That's not really the way it works. This is two separate cases. The lawyers are going for the lack of payments first. If they win, that will let them void the contract automatically. If they lose on a technicality, they can go for the contract agreement. Please stop rolling your eyes and stop watching so much tv and learn a little of how the court system actually works (Instead of how it works on tv) before posting such nonsense.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Perhaps the REAL reason Burton's...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:17:17 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 11:17pm

Perhaps the REAL reason Burton's upset with Sierra is because they stole their magic flying unicorn?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecodeNot...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:16:03 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 11:16pm

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:05:15 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 11:05pm

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by pipecode

When suing a deadbeat tenant for non payment, why would you also sue for them smoking in a non smoking apartment? Sure, they broke the agreement, but you simply sue for the sure thing, in this case the non payment. So of course you wouldn't expect the vendor agreement to be in the suit. There is no reason for it. You just sue for the money owed and not renew any agreement with the party involved.

Could you be more naive? You sue for EVERYTHING you can - in the hope that if you lose on one, you'll gain on another.

This insistence on flogging the mythical Burton/Sierra "vendor agreement" horse is looking really desperate and pathetic.

Not really. You wouldn't sue for everything at this point. You go for the upfront shot, in this case the lack of payments. Then, you can fall back on the dealer agreements. A smart lawyer would NEVER put all this in one suit, because if you lose based on a technicality, you lose everything. This way, you can fall back on suit number 2. I'm guessing you've never dealt with this.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by AlinaaaIs...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:03:01 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 11:03pm

Originally posted by Alinaaa

Is Sierra still shipping items? I have a big 'wish-list' and i am not putting that in my cart if it's not shipped out offcourse.

Yes.

No need to worry, I've had two large shipments sent in the past week alone.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : damn man

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:00:18 +0000

Author: bagelzzz
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 11:00pm

damn man

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecodeWhen...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:59:50 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 10:59pm

Could you be more naive? You sue for EVERYTHING you can - in the hope that if you lose on one, you'll gain on another.

This insistence on flogging the mythical Burton/Sierra "vendor agreement" horse is looking really desperate and pathetic.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:53:19 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 10:53pm

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by shralp

According to the court docs there were various vendor agreements. How do you know that Burton hasn't provided a copy of the vendor agreement?

There is NOTHING in "the court docs" noting legally binding "vendor agreements" relating to pricing restrictions.

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Do you really think that Burton would NOT also be suing for breach of contract if such a "legally enforceable contract" actually exists??? Do you really think that Burton's lawyers would simply turn a blind eye???

When suing a deadbeat tenant for non payment, why would you also sue for them smoking in a non smoking apartment? Sure, they broke the agreement, but you simply sue for the sure thing, in this case the non payment. So of course you wouldn't expect the vendor agreement to be in the suit. There is no reason for it. You just sue for the money owed and not renew any agreement with the party involved.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by shralpAccording...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:19:18 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 10:19pm

Originally posted by shralp

According to the court docs there were various vendor agreements. How do you know that Burton hasn't provided a copy of the vendor agreement?

There is NOTHING in "the court docs" noting legally binding "vendor agreements" relating to pricing restrictions.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:02:24 +0000

Author: shralp
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 10:02pm

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by shralp

SS didn't exploit a legal loophole, they exploited in an illegal fashion. Breaking vendor agreements.

WHAT "vendor agreement" schralp? Show us all this "vendor agreement"? Well? Can you???

As Burton have failed so far to produce evidence of a legally binding "vendor agreement" between themselves and Sierra, in the eyes of the law, it DOES NOT EXIST.

According to the court docs there were various vendor agreements. How do you know that Burton hasn't provided a copy of the vendor agreement?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoeand...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:27:25 +0000

Author: Wingnutx
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 6:27pm

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

and there are a lot of uninformed people on Sierra.

which is exactly why I posted earlier in this thread that there was a lot of wild speculation going on and that we need to stop kicking this dead horse and just see how it plays out

neither Burton nor Sierra was playing totally fair and it all turned into a big pissing match, the problem is that Burton appears to have a bigger wiener.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ddomski Originally...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:15:43 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 6:15pm

Originally posted by ddomski

Originally posted by harobikes333

Spencer I'm guessing you've got it nailed.

you guessed wrong

i was asking you a question, not stating something, and you answered. so...... thats that

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I"M ON A MUTHA EFFIN BOAT!!!...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:13:40 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 6:13pm

I"M ON A MUTHA EFFIN BOAT!!! If you get on a horse you might end up like the horse on page 12. EDIT: pg 15....and the brownies look scrumptious spenser.

[TUBE]R7yfISlGLNU[/TUBE]

Originally posted by exastronaut

Originally posted by surgyon

burton changed their enforcement midstream and you should never change horses midstream

If you're midstream and going to make a switch, why get on a different horse? I'd just get in a boat.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by surgyonburton...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:24:36 +0000

Author: exastronaut
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 5:24pm

Originally posted by surgyon

burton changed their enforcement midstream and you should never change horses midstream

If you're midstream and going to make a switch, why get on a different horse? I'd just get in a boat.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by shralpSS...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:12:59 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 5:12pm

Originally posted by shralp

SS didn't exploit a legal loophole, they exploited in an illegal fashion. Breaking vendor agreements.

WHAT "vendor agreement" schralp? Show us all this "vendor agreement"? Well? Can you???

As Burton have failed so far to produce evidence of a legally binding "vendor agreement" between themselves and Sierra, in the eyes of the law, it DOES NOT EXIST.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by harobikes333Spencer...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:12:32 +0000

Author: ddomski
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 5:12pm

Originally posted by harobikes333

Spencer I'm guessing you've got it nailed.

you guessed wrong

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : burton changed their enforcement...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:09:06 +0000

Author: surgyon
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 5:09pm

burton changed their enforcement midstream and you should never change horses midstream

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenserwhy,...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:07:04 +0000

Author: ddomski
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 5:07pm

Originally posted by spenser

why, because you think they did something wrong, or you wont get 70% off anymore?

because I support david instead of golliath.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : it still hasn't been established...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:05:57 +0000

Author: barnyard
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 5:05pm

it still hasn't been established that sierra broke the burton agreement. there is still a very real possibility that burton legal fell asleep at the wheel and signed a marked agreement.

either way, I think burton's actions are bad for consumers.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeysWrong...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:17:46 +0000

Author: shralp
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 3:17pm

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Wrong spenser.

You've overlooked a major difference. Sierra HAS NOT deviously exploited a legal loophole to deliberately attempt to put any other retailers out of business. Burton HAS deviously exploited a legal loophole to deliberately attempt to Sierra out of business.

This is NOT about Burton refusing to sell their products through Sierra - this is about Burton using tactics similar to that of a loan shark or slumlord.

Your whole rationale appears to stem from the opinion that any one shop should not be allowed to have a more effective selling strategy than any other. Sierra has moved with the times, other retailers have NOT - that's THEIR fault.

Here's the HUGE difference between the two companies, and the one which means the most to many of us here - Sierra's actions actually benefit the consumer, Burton's actions DO NOT.

Oh nice, so now breaking vendor agreements is "moved with the times" and is ok to do?

"Sierra HAS NOT deviously exploited a legal loophole to deliberately attempt to put any other retailers out of business."

Your right SS didn't exploit a legal loophole, they exploited in an illegal fashion. Breaking vendor agreements.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:32:20 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 8:32am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by azn_dan

all this trouble could have been avoided if sierra never did that 2 or 3 day sale last year that had burton on sale for 50%.

I get the feeling Burton were just looking for an excuse to go for Sierra's throat, and would have found one regardless.

I agree, Burton was out to get them and sierra willingly gave them the oppurtunity. All the shops must have complained like crazy to burton. Look at porter's, they even had a clause that they would not match sierrasnowboard.com. But what's done is done, let's just hope they get out of it alive

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:29:53 +0000

Author: Peekaboo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 8:29am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by azn_dan

all this trouble could have been avoided if sierra never did that 2 or 3 day sale last year that had burton on sale for 50%.

I get the feeling Burton were just looking for an excuse to go for Sierra's throat, and would have found one regardless.

I dont think they have a choice in this case. They were losing business from the local shop. I dont think they really want sierra to go down, thats bad for the whole industry.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by azn_danall...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:07:25 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 8:07am

Originally posted by azn_dan

all this trouble could have been avoided if sierra never did that 2 or 3 day sale last year that had burton on sale for 50%.

I get the feeling Burton were just looking for an excuse to go for Sierra's throat, and would have found one regardless.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Can't wait to hear what the...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:55:55 +0000

Author: citac
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 7:55am

Can't wait to hear what the court preceding judgement will be, i hope both Burton get their money perhaps a forced payment plan, and Sierra gets to stay in business and just doesnt get to sell burton, unless a Ironclad agreement is formed so their is no movement from either party, reading the article on EL it seems boths parties where playing a bit unfair, Sierra screwed then over with the sales but burton screwed then back with the payments, looks like this whole court case appeared because lack of communication between Burton and SSB, sad really could of been avoided :(

if anyone has other helpful links that i can read over please post.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by eldolocal68remember,...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:45:57 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 7:45am

Originally posted by eldolocal68

remember, this post was started here by ksmountain, than taken to EL,by spenser, then esq, over at EL wrote up the summary...if you want real info, stick with this forum, you want some sierra hate, stick with EL.

what you have said is completely untrue. its like a contradiction in itself...

esq's report that you refer to is probably the most elaborate and truthful write up about this issue... and its from a member of EL....

he took the time to look at all the legal documents and write a very non bias report on it which is posted in this thread. It doesn't point fingers at either party and is very informative.

and there are a lot of uninformed people on Sierra.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Dankbud42odamn,...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:55:53 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 6:55am

Originally posted by Dankbud42o

damn, this isnt good news...i wonder if its cuz they have such good deals?

all this trouble could have been avoided if sierra never did that 2 or 3 day sale last year that had burton on sale for 50%.

The 22nd is quickly approaching and i am curious to see what happens. Without scorer here anymore, we don't get those underground updates

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i hope they can resolve this problem...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:52:06 +0000

Author: tomek77pl
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 6:52am

i hope they can resolve this problem or fix it cuz i dont want sierra going away

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : damn, this isnt good news...i...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:19:19 +0000

Author: Dankbud42o
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 6:19am

damn, this isnt good news...i wonder if its cuz they have such good deals?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : remember, this post was started...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:00:05 +0000

Author: eldolocal68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 6:00am

remember, this post was started here by ksmountain, than taken to EL,by spenser, then esq, over at EL wrote up the summary...if you want real info, stick with this forum, you want some sierra hate, stick with EL.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Wrong spenser.You've overlooked...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 03:39:33 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 3:39am

Wrong spenser.

This is NOT about Burton refusing to sell their products through Sierra - this is about Burton using tactics similar to that of a loan shark or slumlord.

Your whole rationale appears to stem from the opinion that any one shop should not be allowed to have a more effective selling strategy than any other. Sierra has moved with the times, other retailers have NOT - that's THEIR fault.

Here's the HUGE difference between the two companies, and the one which means the most to many of us here - Sierra's actions actually benefit the consumer, Burton's actions DO NOT.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Wow.. I just joined a few days...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 03:14:00 +0000

Author: Alinaaa
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 3:14am

Wow..

I just joined a few days ago because i am looking for all new gear and i am just blown away reading this..

Is Sierra still shipping items? I have a big 'wish-list' and i am not putting that in my cart if it's not shipped out offcourse..

Just hope Sierra will survive all of this..

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.s...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 02:53:34 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 2:53am

[tube]http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=14967933[/tube]

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by classic_ben...but...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 02:38:27 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 2:38am

Originally posted by classic_ben

...but that's simply market power. Sierra is not, and is unlikely to ever be, in a position to put Burton out of business.

You can't say their the bad guy because they have a better bargaining position...

Burton are the "big guy".

Sierra are the "little guy".

Burton are deliberately using their "power" to attack Sierra, who are in a weaker position.

Sure, you can't specifically "say their [sic] the bad guy because they have a better bargaining position", but you CAN say they're "the bad guy" because they have deliberately chosen to use their "better bargaining position" to pick on the little guy. They do NOT need to do this - they do it simply because they can. That's what's commonly known as being a bully - and bullies ARE the "bad guys".

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 02:09:42 +0000

Author: classic_ben
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 2:09am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by spenser

i still find it funny that some people really think burton is the bad guy here, like they blatantly did something wrong and WANT to put sierra out of business.

Maybe...but that's simply market power. Sierra is not, and is unlikely to ever be, in a position to put Burton out of business.

You can't say their the bad guy because they have a better bargaining position...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenseri...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:31:02 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 12:31am

Originally posted by spenser

i still find it funny that some people really think burton is the bad guy here, like they blatantly did something wrong and WANT to put sierra out of business.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by shop_45296wow...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:22:20 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 12:22am

Originally posted by shop_45296

wow guys. way to spend hours to come up with what spenser said in one line.

Originally posted by spenser

why, because you think they did something wrong, or you wont get 70% off anymore?

See that Squiggly thing spenser put after the word "anymore"? It's called a question mark. It's used, for example, when people request further clarification/elaboration - which is what spenser was doing. Further clarification/elaboration has now been provided. Understand?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i still find it funny that some...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:17:37 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 12:17am

i still find it funny that some people really think burton is the bad guy here, like they blatantly did something wrong and WANT to put sierra out of business.

and god damnit im tired of talking about this. i only said something because you just brought my name up. might just have to get myself banned so i cant post anymore.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:11:23 +0000

Author: shop_45296
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 12:11am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by BudAshes

Originally posted by azn_dan

Originally posted by ddomski

If/when Sierra disappears, I'm done buying Burton forever.

isn't that the biggest oxymoron..... sierra =/= burton, so how the two are related i will never know

I think he just means that sierra is the only place that sold burton for deep discounts. . .

. . . or it could mean that because Burton have embarked on a spiteful and deliberate campaign to put Sierra out of business, Burton no longer deserves our business? Without Burton, neither this discussion nor this situation would even exist - that's how the "two are related". I'll certainly never buy Burton through a retail outlet again.

wow guys. way to spend hours to come up with what spenser said in one line.

Originally posted by spenser

why, because you think they did something wrong, or you wont get 70% off anymore?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BudAshes Originally...

Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:05:31 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/20/2010 at 12:05am

Originally posted by BudAshes

Originally posted by azn_dan

Originally posted by ddomski

If/when Sierra disappears, I'm done buying Burton forever.

isn't that the biggest oxymoron..... sierra =/= burton, so how the two are related i will never know

I think he just means that sierra is the only place that sold burton for deep discounts. . .

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : What would happen tothe people...

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:12:40 +0000

Author: gerrick905
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/19/2010 at 10:12pm

What would happen tothe people that have gift cards will we loose our money? I guess is too soon to tell huh...:( too bad i love this website.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : pretty sure those statements are...

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:10:41 +0000

Author: dvdngu
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/19/2010 at 10:10pm

pretty sure those statements are gonna come out (if they come out) after the court date, which i believe is the 22nd.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by RideTimelessDid...

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:03:10 +0000

Author: bugsbunnymydad
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/19/2010 at 10:03pm

Originally posted by RideTimeless

Did Mike ever do an announcement? I thought a member dug up the bankruptcy court case in Milpitas or something like that. I know I'll probably find the answers over on EL before here...but just sayin, to keep people here informed, somebody has to post it. Pipecode?

Well if Sierra gets sold or shut down, then I'm sure Mike will do some sort of announcement. He hasn't made any formal statements yet...but that's probably because nothing has been finalized.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Did Mike ever do an announcement?...

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:15:35 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/19/2010 at 9:15pm

Did Mike ever do an announcement? I thought a member dug up the bankruptcy court case in Milpitas or something like that. I know I'll probably find the answers over on EL before here...but just sayin, to keep people here informed, somebody has to post it. Pipecode?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by RideTimelessJust...

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:05:53 +0000

Author: bugsbunnymydad
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/19/2010 at 9:05pm

Originally posted by RideTimeless

Just curious...where do you think we will get the new information? Is somebody going to read the court docs and summarize and post here? Is that an expectation on Sept 22?

If it's a positive thing, then sierra will stay the same and someone will post information about it (here or EL... That guy who did that long and detailed of the court proceedings @ EL will probably write a followup) a day or a few days after sept 22.

Or if it goes poorly for sierra, then we will know something had happened when sierra suddenly stops taking orders (or there's some announcement from Mike)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by azn_dan Originally...

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:58:54 +0000

Author: BudAshes
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/19/2010 at 7:58pm

Originally posted by azn_dan

Originally posted by ddomski

If/when Sierra disappears, I'm done buying Burton forever.

isn't that the biggest oxymoron..... sierra =/= burton, so how the two are related i will never know

I think he just means that sierra is the only place that sold burton for deep discounts. I'm sure a lot of people here only bought burton because it was so discounted. There is so much competition now burtons only edge is their name and advertising. None of their boards are made in the U.S. and most of their "tech" is at least mostly replicated by other companies. At least close enough that the average snowboarder can't tell the difference.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ddomskiIf/when...

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:38:44 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/19/2010 at 6:38pm

Originally posted by ddomski

If/when Sierra disappears, I'm done buying Burton forever.

isn't that the biggest oxymoron..... sierra =/= burton, so how the two are related i will never know

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Spencer I'm guessing you've...

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:23:55 +0000

Author: harobikes333
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/19/2010 at 6:23pm

Spencer I'm guessing you've got it nailed.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : why, because you think they did...

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:17:26 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/19/2010 at 6:17pm

why, because you think they did something wrong, or you wont get 70% off anymore?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : If/when Sierra disappears, I'm...

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:06:42 +0000

Author: ddomski
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/19/2010 at 6:06pm

If/when Sierra disappears, I'm done buying Burton forever.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : yeah, I'd imagine that people...

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:01:24 +0000

Author: barnyard
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/19/2010 at 6:01pm

yeah, I'd imagine that people will just wear/ride their gear longer if prices stay high

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : it's hard to fathom how we...

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:58:32 +0000

Author: JandJBlks2k
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/19/2010 at 5:58pm

it's hard to fathom how we can't even have reasonable pricing anymore!!! was checking the price diff between this site vs the-house..smh..god! it's almost unconstitutional! lol..I mean, same session pants here it's only 60 bucks over there it's 109!! come on!!!! talking about raping a consumer!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Just curious...where do you think...

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:39:20 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/19/2010 at 12:39pm

Just curious...where do you think we will get the new information? Is somebody going to read the court docs and summarize and post here? Is that an expectation on Sept 22?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BFBFThe...

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:04:25 +0000

Author: bugsbunnymydad
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 10:04pm

Originally posted by BFBF

The horse is now a pancake on Interstate 5..

Can someone lock this thread....save us....

Nah, most of the posts now are pointless but it'll be good to have a place to discuss things once new information is known. For example, after the sept 22 court date.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:38:17 +0000

Author: TheBiz
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 9:38pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RIP SSB

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : The horse is now a pancake on...

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:20:26 +0000

Author: BFBF
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 9:20pm

The horse is now a pancake on Interstate 5..

Can someone lock this thread....save us....

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by classic_ben Originally...

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:43:22 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 8:43pm

Originally posted by classic_ben

Originally posted by exastronaut

Originally posted by shwazy

My feeling is that there is not demand for snowboards at retail pricing based on the amount of boards that are being manufactured. You have companies like Libtech that have found the right balance between supply and demand. But the majority of theses snowboard companies are producing way too many boards to support the suggested MSRP. They have two choices: stop producing so many boards at suggested price or lower the price to begin with and sell more boards. This will stop the "problem" of places like Sierra being able to buy boards for so cheap that they can still make a profit at 50% off or more. Sierra had to buy these boards from somebody and if the market was not over saturated then they would not be able to turn a profit at 50 to 70 percent off.

Manufacturers are starting to do that. If you only sold 'x' number of boards at retail price last year, don't produce x+500 of that board this year. Your sales numbers are highly unlikely to go up this year, and even if they do, it's better to sell out than overproduce. Still, manufacturers don't want to sell out in December, so they have to make a little bit more than they project to sell at retail.

The overall trend right now is to make less product and try to sell a greater percentage of that product at full price. After all (in most cases) you're going to make more money selling one board at full price than two boards at 40% off. From what I've heard, Jones Snowboards did a fairly limited run and demand is high. It's likely that they will sell nearly all of their boards at full price.

Business trending this way will mean good things for the manufacturers and should help keep the smaller companies around, but it will also mean less product at 50-70% off for the consumer.

http://business.transworld.net/46165/features/201011-snowboard-market-outlook-report/

Why should a manufacturer care how many boards their retailers sell at MSRP? They get paid the same regardless...

because if their shops are having a harder time selling the boards, they arent going to buy as many next time.

to make the most money, a companys accounts (shops) need to be healthy. having to resort to closing out instead of selling out is not healthy.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : wow...crazy

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:18:12 +0000

Author: John-John
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 8:18pm

wow...crazy

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by exastronaut Originally...

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:14:59 +0000

Author: classic_ben
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 8:14pm

Originally posted by exastronaut

Why should a manufacturer care how many boards their retailers sell at MSRP? They get paid the same regardless...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I'm sadly ready for this...

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:34:44 +0000

Author: barnyard
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 5:34pm

I'm sadly ready for this to be a House forum.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by RideTimeless Originally...

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:21:56 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 3:21pm

Originally posted by RideTimeless

Originally posted by Superorb

If you live in Denver, SLC or another spot close to lots of big resorts you'll have many local shops and will benefit from competition.. There's 2 spots here in NC and they sell even older gear at full retail, and their "end of year blowout" is 10% off retail. Buying local is just out of my budget. I wish there was a brand selling boards for beginners for a low retail price, that way at least they'd get people into the sport.

Isn't this why Burton has the LTR board or program? I'm guessing other brands just don't have the capital to venture into that market? Or maybe they just don't see it being profitable.

Some resorts use Burton LTR boards, but out of all the resorts we go to in the SE only 1, maybe 2 resorts use those boards. And they have terrible bindings with them. I'd much rather buy a cheaper board and cheap bindings to get started; I don't need all the tech, all I need is something to strap to my feet to learn with. You can buy a LTR board, but it's still not cheap.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by winzewell...

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:31:08 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 1:31pm

Originally posted by winze

well if they can find a way to supply their items at not such high prices then there will be no need for 50-70% off sales so that people don't feel they are being mugged when they buy stuff..

do you feel like youre getting mugged when you buy a house? or a car? sure its expensive but you know thats just how much it costs.

snowboards arent randomly priced the way they are... material costs, machines to do it, people that physically build them, designers, graphic guys, the pro team, advertising.. it all goes into it.

and again, i challenge anyone to try to make your own board thats nearly half as good, and try to spend as little as you would for a full price manufactured snowboard. the material cost would be pretty up there, but then theres all the time required, tools, knowledge, and skill. in reality paying $500 for a board is way easier and definitely cheaper than what youd have to do if companies didnt manufacture them.. and on top of that when you can get a $500 board for $300 at its max sale, thats a great deal. the value of snowboards has gone down sooooooooo much in the eyes of the customer in general, because theyve been so easy to get for cheap in the last couple years.

if boards are too expensive for you, dont start out with such high end boards that you dont really need, and wait till you get it for 40% off. as i said before, 40% off is a great deal.. people have just been trained by sierra to expect more as a standard. who was complaining a few years ago? even 30% was good and people were stoked on 40.

im sure manufacturers could start knocking down some MSRPs and pass it on to the retailers, which gets passed on to the consumer, but board prices really havent changed THAT much. if youre looking at a $600 board, its cause its high end. there are plenty of $400 boards that kick ass.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by SuperorbIf...

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:16:52 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 1:16pm

Isn't this why Burton has the LTR board or program? I'm guessing other brands just don't have the capital to venture into that market? Or maybe they just don't see it being profitable.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : If you live in Denver, SLC or...

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:07:07 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 7:07am

If you live in Denver, SLC or another spot close to lots of big resorts you'll have many local shops and will benefit from competition.. There's 2 spots here in NC and they sell even older gear at full retail, and their "end of year blowout" is 10% off retail. Buying local is just out of my budget. I wish there was a brand selling boards for beginners for a low retail price, that way at least they'd get people into the sport.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Huge fan of Sierra Snowboard.

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:03:43 +0000

Author: msdst16
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 7:03am

Huge fan of Sierra Snowboard.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : well if they can find a way to...

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:56:45 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 6:56am

well if they can find a way to supply their items at not such high prices then there will be no need for 50-70% off sales so that people don't feel they are being mugged when they buy stuff.

Then again from what I can see it isn't so bad in the US, you guys have access to many many online sites that have 40% sales even and normal prices.

The downfall of places like SS really effects people in countries where the prices in shops are a joke. Aus and NZ people love SS because of this.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by shwazyMy...

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:07:57 +0000

Author: exastronaut
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 6:07am

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : BUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRTOOOOOOONNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!...

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 02:52:59 +0000

Author: surgyon
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 2:52am

BUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRTOOOOOOONNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Sat, 18 Sep 2010 02:01:47 +0000

Author: classic_ben
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/18/2010 at 2:01am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by winze

Thing in Australia and i believe NZ is the prices of stuff in shops even when on sale is just stupid...

$800 for a mid range board? o.O

Want a Burton board.... lol.... better up that credit card limit

Burton in Australia is all distributed by Burton themselves (NO "middle man" wholesaler), but the ridiculous pricing (and the ban on international online purchases) stems from back when they had an independent distributor (hence the ridiculous markup). When Burton took over operations in Australia, they could easily have adjusted prices and lifted the ban on international online purchases, but their GREED stopped them from doing so. As by far the biggest player, other Australian distributors take their pricing cues from Burton, so it'll be interesting what they do regarding their pricing.

Didn't know they'd brought this in house...great info...

Any idea when that happened?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by giftedhands God...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:54:35 +0000

Author: bugsbunnymydad
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 12:54pm

Originally posted by giftedhands

God I love this movie so much. So many days I had dreamed of taking a bat to the office printer.

And this thread is just rehashing the same points over and over. Nothing to discuss until September 22nd I guess.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : blah blah blah blah blah...!!!I...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:42:40 +0000

Author: SnowSurfr
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 11:42am

blah blah blah blah blah...!!!

I ordered and received product from SS no problem

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I looked at the pic closer...NIIICCCEEE!!!!...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:33:42 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 11:33am

I looked at the pic closer...NIIICCCEEE!!!! Office Space....great movie!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by bakerr6first,...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:54:14 +0000

Author: fostpaint
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 10:54am

Originally posted by bakerr6

first, you cant compare the automotive industry here. cars cannot be priced any lower, as profits are already cut down to 5-7% for dealers at invoice (which is what most cars sell at).

When you manufacture a product and its cost is 40% under what you are expected to sell the item at, then this is just an unreal expectation. No one in any industry under any circumstances in the market condition we are in today should expect to make double the profit on their item they are selling.

However, I do think all companies should have to abide by the rules. Sierramay or may not have abided by the rules. Do I agree with the sales they have had? Yes I think they are a great idea seeing as they have lower overhead costs than most other retail stores. Do I think this gives them the right to sell at a lower cost than other stores? Only if it was agreed upon in hte contract.

I don't mind the auto-industry analogy, even though I think it's flawed. But then, I've bought 4 new cars in my lifetime and never paid over dealer invoice on any of them (did my research, understood "hidden" income from the dealership, including holdbacks etc, and bought at the right time). I take that same mentality to my snowboard shopping experience. I'm doing my best to control my own bottom line first.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : yeaaaa, lets go for Margarita!...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:35:32 +0000

Author: Peekaboo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 10:35am

yeaaaa, lets go for Margarita! Drinks on me!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by IceCoast Originally...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:34:33 +0000

Author: craigalicious
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 10:34am

Originally posted by IceCoast

Originally posted by elmers_cow

well. if this business does go down, lets hope another awesomely priced store will open.

Lol. because the basic reason this business may go down, is a result from their pricing.

yeah i don't think that will happen.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by elmers_cowwell....

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:27:37 +0000

Author: IceCoast
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 10:27am

Originally posted by elmers_cow

well. if this business does go down, lets hope another awesomely priced store will open.

Lol. because the basic reason this business may go down, is a result from their pricing.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : well. if this business does go...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:24:37 +0000

Author: elmers_cow
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 10:24am

well. if this business does go down, lets hope another awesomely priced store will open.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by diviestiIs...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:09:01 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 10:09am

Originally posted by diviesti

Is it just me or does this thread seem to keep going in circles with no end in sight?

It's not just you.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by giftedhands...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:38:52 +0000

Author: CoMtnRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 9:38am

Originally posted by giftedhands

Nothing sums of this thread better than this picture. Nicely done GH.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Is it just me or does this thread...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:30:08 +0000

Author: diviesti
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 9:30am

Is it just me or does this thread seem to keep going in circles with no end in sight?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by giftedhands haha,...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:29:28 +0000

Author: wpiass
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 9:29am

Originally posted by giftedhands

haha, that is great. it may not be as gratifying as a crappy old printer, but it def makes the point!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation :

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:28:43 +0000

Author: giftedhands
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 9:28am

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : My feeling is that there is not...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:18:18 +0000

Author: shwazy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 9:18am

My feeling is that there is not demand for snowboards at retail pricing based on the amount of boards that are being manufactured. You have companies like Libtech that have found the right balance between supply and demand. But the majority of theses snowboard companies are producing way too many boards to support the suggested MSRP. They have two choices: stop producing so many boards at suggested price or lower the price to begin with and sell more boards. This will stop the "problem" of places like Sierra being able to buy boards for so cheap that they can still make a profit at 50% off or more. Sierra had to buy these boards from somebody and if the market was not over saturated then they would not be able to turn a profit at 50 to 70 percent off.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : first, you cant compare the automotive...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:03:03 +0000

Author: bakerr6
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 7:03am

first, you cant compare the automotive industry here. cars cannot be priced any lower, as profits are already cut down to 5-7% for dealers at invoice (which is what most cars sell at).

When you manufacture a product and its cost is 40% under what you are expected to sell the item at, then this is just an unreal expectation. No one in any industry under any circumstances in the market condition we are in today should expect to make double the profit on their item they are selling.

However, I do think all companies should have to abide by the rules. Sierramay or may not have abided by the rules. Do I agree with the sales they have had? Yes I think they are a great idea seeing as they have lower overhead costs than most other retail stores. Do I think this gives them the right to sell at a lower cost than other stores? Only if it was agreed upon in hte contract.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by winzeThing...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:40:05 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 5:40am

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Thing in Australia and i believe...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 04:56:37 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 4:56am

Thing in Australia and i believe NZ is the prices of stuff in shops even when on sale is just stupid...

$800 for a mid range board? o.O

Want a Burton board.... lol.... better up that credit card limit

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenser cheaper...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 03:42:53 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 3:42am

Originally posted by spenser

cheaper msrp but same markup, shops by more because wholesale is cheaper, to sell to the consumers who buy more cause the msrp is cheaper. i was only thinking of the discount off the msrp, not wholesale too. how did i never think of that. im an idiot. same margin but its easier to sell on both levels. more purchases end up making everyone the same amout in the end, or maybe even more.

Yeah, what's happened (thanks to Sierra) is that Burton's had to lower their MSRP and distribute their hardgoods in Australia at a lower wholesale price - a win for both the retailers AND consumers. That's no help to you guys of course, but at least it's an example of how things can work positively.

On another note, Burton need to create other ways to encourage "over the counter" purchases, as do the retailers themselves. One thing I would do if I was distributing Burton in North America, is to not make the free lift pass offer available to boards purchased from online stores - creating incentive to visit your local store instead. If I was a retailer I'd offer 50% off waxing and tuning for the entire period any board purchased at the store is still under warranty.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : cheaper msrp but same markup,...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 03:13:12 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 3:13am

cheaper msrp but same markup, shops by more because wholesale is cheaper, to sell to the consumers who buy more cause the msrp is cheaper. i was only thinking of the discount off the msrp, not wholesale too. how did i never think of that. im an idiot. same margin but its easier to sell on both levels. more purchases end up making everyone the same amout in the end, or maybe even more.

click

to be honest maybe its because i just got done with a safety meeting.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenseri...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 03:05:12 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 3:05am

Originally posted by spenser

i dont get it.

When things are cheaper, people buy more of them.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeysWhich...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:59:05 +0000

Author: DennisNg
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 2:59am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Which is why we should be thanking Sierra for forcing manufacturers to rethink their MSRP and distribute their products at lower cost - which is exactly what's now happened in Australia for 2011 (Burton Australia has FINALLY lowered their MSRP), thanks to Sierra.

Interesting, I never noticed this. But definitely has been a problem for a very long time. Almost absurd when you think about it, with gear here costing about 1.5 to 2 times the price on a constant currency basis at MSRP. Not to mention the gear is 6 months out of date with US sales already cranked up...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i dont get it.

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:48:14 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 2:48am

i dont get it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenser...i...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:46:09 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 2:46am

Originally posted by spenser

... i disagree that by making things so cheap it helps the industry...

With all due respect spenser, not really:

Originally posted by spenser

... as i said before, shoes and hats are where the money is at. maybe clothing too. hardgoods are kind of just for show.. you have to carry it cause youre a boardshop, not because its profitable. hell, if all i sold was hats and shoes, i could make WAY more money than selling snowboard gear, even though shoes and hats are way cheaper.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Sinixstar Also...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:45:06 +0000

Author: koji3
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 2:45am

Originally posted by Sinixstar

Also - Spenser - your analogy on the car is a bit flawed. if the car is $20,000 - that doesn't mean you'll pay $20,000. MSRP is $20,000. Dealerships can sell the car for whatever the hell they want to some degree. It says $20k on the sticker, but with a little bit of knowledge and some conversation, you might be able to get that car for $17, even $16k. As long as the dealership covers their invoice costs, and makes enough profit to make it worth while.

Why should snowboards be any different from any other piece of merchandise or product?

Totally the same case with Snowboard retailers thou. With a bit of talk, you can usually talk the price down. Same with any kind of gear.

His logic still stays.

Im all for paying 70% off items, dont think i dont. But i also do not mind paying retail prices either.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i dont know anymoreeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:20:09 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 2:20am

i dont know anymoreeeeeee

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : interesting article... hopefully...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:19:59 +0000

Author: asapient
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 2:19am

interesting article... hopefully its not for real cause Sierra keeps challenges RRP and keeps retailers honest without ripping off the customers

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecode...it's...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:02:02 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 2:02am

Originally posted by pipecode

... it's Sierra's discounting that has taught people that snowboards should be cheaper ...

Yes, and that's a GOOD thing.

Originally posted by pipecode

... even though their pricing is against dealer agreements ...

Dealer agreements which result in lower sales for retailers - because they're purely designed to keep prices high, to make more money for manufacturers like Burton.

Originally posted by pipecode

... Without that, people would expect a certain level upon which snowboards cost.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : As for the " buying 10 snowboards...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:51:32 +0000

Author: Sinixstar
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 12:51am

As for the " buying 10 snowboards just because they're cheap" - so what? who the hell cares? Again - that's the society we live in. Some people have more money then sense. Is that right? I don't think so - but it's how it is. That's capitalism for you.

Again- is that sierra's fault? How many people have a closet full of clothes they've worn once? I personally know several. How many people have a flat screen tv in every room in the house? 2-3-4 cars? so on and so forth. You act like this is something unique to the snowboard world.

Some people just like to buy crap. Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves. Who the hell knows. Is it stupid? I personally don't get it - but it's not really my place to say one way or the other. That's a problem with society and how we think about consumption. That's not sierra's fault, that's not burton's fault, that's not a problem with the snowboard industry. that's called 'consumerism' - and if you think it only applies to snowboarding - again, try to get out more.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : That doesn't even get into...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:43:11 +0000

Author: Sinixstar
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 12:43am

That doesn't even get into the topic of - if you don't over produce and over saturate the market, you don't have to worry about people discounting your stuff. It's basic supply and demand theory.

When supply out paces demand, the value is decreased.

Look at the wine world for example.

You can't touch a bottle of Petrus for under $1000. Hell, a $1000 bottle would be suspect on quality concerns. $2000-$2500 is more likely. Why? Because they only produce 3000 cases a year.

Meanwhile - you can go to trader joe's and pick up a bottle of $2chuck for, well, $2. Why? Because the company that produces it cranks out over a million bottles a year.

Now clearly there's going to be some quality differences there - but sheer numbers have a LOT to do with those prices.

Another example : I have the bottle from a '61 chateau mouton sitting in my apartment. Retail price is $4,000. yet - i've had wines that cost a fraction that were far better. Why is it so expensive? Well - go find me another one. There's no supply, but a high demand. (Why do you think you never see the skate banana discounted even 10%?)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by SinixstarI...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:38:14 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 12:38am

Originally posted by Sinixstar

I get some people want to hold on to these nostalgic ideas about supporting "core shops" and whatnot - but the fact of the matter is, that's not the society we live in.

BINGO!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Also - Spenser - your analogy...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:34:55 +0000

Author: Sinixstar
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 12:34am

Also - Spenser - your analogy on the car is a bit flawed. if the car is $20,000 - that doesn't mean you'll pay $20,000. MSRP is $20,000. Dealerships can sell the car for whatever the hell they want to some degree. It says $20k on the sticker, but with a little bit of knowledge and some conversation, you might be able to get that car for $17, even $16k. As long as the dealership covers their invoice costs, and makes enough profit to make it worth while.

Why should snowboards be any different from any other piece of merchandise or product?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : We're just arguing the chicken...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:30:51 +0000

Author: Sinixstar
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 12:30am

We're just arguing the chicken and the egg theory now.

Did Sierra's discounting teach people snowboards should be cheaper, or did people's expectations of finding deals online drive sierra to try to deliver on those expectations?

In the grand scheme of things - snowboards should be cheaper. Just because there's a culture or a lifestyle that goes along with the item, doesn't change the fact that it's a piece of merchandise. No different then a camera or a laptop or a home theater system.

If someone can come up with a way to maintain their bottom line and deliver goods at a lower price to the customer, so be it. It's called an open market. Don't like it? Come up with your own idea to do better.

I get some people want to hold on to these nostalgic ideas about supporting "core shops" and whatnot - but the fact of the matter is, that's not the society we live in.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Sinixstar Originally...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:25:07 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 12:25am

Originally posted by Sinixstar

Originally posted by spenser

oh and one thing i really want to make clear... you CAN have a healthy industry AND good deals on gear.

first of all, be honest with yourself and dont buy the highest end gear that you KNOW you dont need.

second 40% off is a great deal! if you got 40% off a new car you would be STOKED. so think of it as the same. say the car you want is 20k. thats just how it is. and the snowboard you want is $400. thats just how it is. both are expensive. with the car, you accept it and just know thats how it is, but because of sierra sales, you have been trained and come to expect at least that big of a discount, as if 40% off is now seen as what "full price" used to be. see what im saying?

and there is a huge difference between "i was able to snowboard because of the discounts" and "i was able to buy 5 snowboards for super cheap that i didnt need because of the discounts." youre not able to snowboard because you got brand new expensive gear for cheap... what gets you snowboarding is going to a mountain and buying a pass, or traveling/lodging if you dont live near a mountain. thats the expensive part and thats what allows you to snowboard - going to the mountain and affording the costs of being able to ride lifts.

what would REALLY make snowboarding more accessible to people would be if travel, lodging, and lift tickets were cheaper. snowboards are expensive but thats not the hardest or most expensive part. plenty of people people spend hundreds just on a hotel for one trip, but you could instead buy a snowboard for that price and thats something that lasts, instead of something that youre essentially renting for a few days or a week or however long.

and again, just like with cars.. when people need a car, they dont just expect a big discount off something new.. they go looking for an older used one that still works great for them. thats how snowboarding used to be. and its kind of funny. my town, juneau, is always a few years behind trends, whether its a clothing style, music style, pricing of random things in general, or whatever you can think of. in snowboarding, the tight pants trend hasnt even started here. at all. and the same goes for how people think of snowboards. they come into the shop, "damn, this is a nice board! but $500, thats more than i can afford!" but its not "wow, this is overpriced!" and if they cant afford the new board, they find something either new (as in not used) but a previous years, on sale, and are grateful that we give them a discount and are very stoked on 40%.. they know that we are a business and prices are what they are, and they appreciate the discount, and are thankful that we provide a service by being a specialty shop. we help them with gear advice and anything else they need. they appreciate the discount just like if someone gave them a deal on clothes, or a car, or food, or whatever.. or if they really cant afford much, they find something used thats still a great product for them and are happy with it, just like a kid that buys a used car for 3 grand after working all summer and hes STOKED to have something that works great for him.

its an illusion that brand new gear for ultra cheap helps the industry, and its an illusion that it helps people get into snowboarding. "i got brand new stuff for super cheap" does NOT equal "i can finally go snowboarding."

and lastly, i am not advocating for sierra to go away! but if they are going to be around, they need to play by the same rules that every other shop in the industry has to. and i would really like to see people understand that snowboard prices are what they are, for a reason. "too expensive for me" does not equal "thats overpriced!" again, use the car example. you accept that cars are expensive, because they cost a lot to manufacture, and there are all the other costs involved... exactly the same as snowboards. i challenge anyone to go out and try to make their own board thats half as good as something you can buy, and i challenge you to try to spend as little as the amount you would pay for a brand new snowboard from an actual manufacturer.

The main point I would disagree with you about - is that it's not because of the sierra sales that people expect deep discounts online. That's the nature of online shopping period.

Example : I was shopping for a home theater system. Went to a few stores around my neighborhood. Found a few that I liked. One of them was $650 in the store. Came home, went online, and in about 10 minutes found the same system for like, $200. Laptop? Same thing. Priced 'em in the store - and with the specs i wanted, I couldn't find one for under $1500. Jump on newegg and just over 24 hours later the thing is sitting on my coffee table and I saved $500.

Anybody who thinks that's sierra's doing has been living under a rock for the last decade.

I agree with you that the internet has taught us to shop for the best deal, but it's Sierra's discounting that has taught people that snowboards should be cheaper, even though their pricing is against dealer agreements. Without that, people would expect a certain level upon which snowboards cost.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenser oh...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:20:49 +0000

Author: Sinixstar
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 12:20am

Originally posted by spenser

oh and one thing i really want to make clear... you CAN have a healthy industry AND good deals on gear.

first of all, be honest with yourself and dont buy the highest end gear that you KNOW you dont need.

The main point I would disagree with you about - is that it's not because of the sierra sales that people expect deep discounts online. That's the nature of online shopping period.

Anybody who thinks that's sierra's doing has been living under a rock for the last decade.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecode Originally...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:18:57 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 12:18am

Originally posted by pipecode

Originally posted by spenser

oh and one thing i really want to make clear... you CAN have a healthy industry AND good deals on gear.

first of all, be honest with yourself and dont buy the highest end gear that you KNOW you dont need.

its an illusion that brand new gear for ultra cheap helps the industry and helps people get into snowboarding, or at least that it helps nearly as much as people are implying.

I second your point on used boards. It's gotten to the point that people will literally shudder if you mention buying a used board. I've only ever paid retail for a board once and that was back in 94 because there were no used boards to be had (nothing local and craigslist hadn't been invented yet). Since then, I've always bought used, or almost new just so I can shred and afford the lift tickets, hotels, etc. Why do people complain that snowboarding is too expensive when they are the same people buying brand new gear? There's nothing wrong with buying used gear since you can't tell the difference. I guess image is everything to some people.

Dammit, this just got me pissed off because it reminds me of my Aunt who is always crying poor while she and her daughters are always carrying Prada (or however you spell it) bags and her husband is always driving the latest BMW M3. Or like an article in the newspaper about people whining how they had to let ONE of their houses go into foreclosure because they couldn't afford 4 houses anymore. Makes me sick when I think of these people.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenser oh...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:13:23 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 12:13am

Originally posted by spenser

oh and one thing i really want to make clear... you CAN have a healthy industry AND good deals on gear.

first of all, be honest with yourself and dont buy the highest end gear that you KNOW you dont need.

its an illusion that brand new gear for ultra cheap helps the industry and helps people get into snowboarding, or at least that it helps nearly as much as people are implying.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : oh and one thing i really...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:05:49 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/17/2010 at 12:05am

oh and one thing i really want to make clear... you CAN have a healthy industry AND good deals on gear.

first of all, be honest with yourself and dont buy the highest end gear that you KNOW you dont need.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : im not butthurt at all. there...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:28:09 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 11:28pm

im not butthurt at all. there was literally no "attitude" in that post whatsoever. and i wasnt implying i get more. i wasnt implying anything at all, in fact. apologies if i came off the wrong way to you.

i was only agreeing that hardgoods markup is 40%, and then stating that it has nothing to do with discounts that employees get.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenserthats...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:24:29 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 11:24pm

Originally posted by spenser

thats what hardgoods markup is, yes, but that doesnt have anything to do with what a shop employee gets products for. whoever runs the shop would decide that.

Wow, don't get all butt hurt over mentioning a discount (even if this is Sierra). You yourself have talked about 40% in the past. If you get more, good for you.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : thats what hardgoods markup...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:22:41 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 11:22pm

thats what hardgoods markup is, yes, but that doesnt have anything to do with what a shop employee gets products for. whoever runs the shop would decide that.

i thought you meant "he gets stuff at cost" as in "he pays 'cost' for his personal purchases." or did you mean "he gets stuff at cost," where "he" = the shop?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenser Originally...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:21:24 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 11:21pm

Originally posted by spenser

Originally posted by pipecode

Spencer works in a shop, meaning he gets stuff at cost which is usually at least around a 40% discount.

there isnt a standard like that.... no one knows what i pay for things unless i tell them..

I was just going by the standard (aka usual and approximate) 40% markup on hard goods. Didn't mean to imply one way or the other for you, just stating what is typical for shops.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:20:54 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 11:20pm

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by pipecode

Spencer works in a shop, meaning he gets stuff at cost which is usually at least around a 40% discount.

No disrespect to you spenser, but that's a valid point. Regardless what percentage discounts you actually get, you'd rarely pay full retail - and you want to protect the job that gives you this.

There's a common theme in this thread - and that's people protecting their own interests. People who work in "the industry" want to protect the profits of "the industry", and regular people who would otherwise have to pay MSRP want the right to buy gear they can actually afford. Snowboarding's an expensive sport, there's no denying that - and anything that makes it a little easier on the wallet is essentially good for "the industry" in the long term because it makes the sport a lot more accessible, therefore increasing the number of participants.

my opinion is not what it is because i want to protect my job, its there because i understand the business/industry side of this, and i disagree that by making things so cheap it helps the industry.

i dont think discounts in general are bad at all, but 70% is. if people think that should be normal, then why not say the same for everything else you buy? why not expect half off your new car? cars cost a certain amount, just like snowboards. theyre just expensive. if its too expensive for someone, that doesnt mean its overpriced.

sierras discounts have trained people that those big sales are standard, normal pricing, when its really not. im sure more people have bought more gear because of it, but that doesnt mean its healthy for the industry. imagine if a new car dealer came around and started selling their cars for half off or 70% off normal pricing. what do you think would eventually happen? they would get shut down in some way because that screws up everything for the other dealers, and the companies would know it. they would be protecting themselves by keeping out that dealer. its better for a company to have a bunch of healthy dealers than it is to have one big one buying their product while the others have a hard time selling anything, thus not buying more to sell. and on top of that, imagine if the car company were making too many cars in general.. that just makes it worse, cause now you have the one shop selling a small portion of all the cars made, while all the other shops are stuck with too much AND they cant sell it.

when one big shop is discounting huge and not following the rules every other shop has to follow, and the value of boards in the customers eye diminishes, and lots of shops are unable to sell their stock because they cant compete, and then they dont do their normal prebooks because of that, and then the companies are losing out because of that, thats NOT a good thing. and that is exactly what has happened with tons of shops, directly because of sierras sales (whether you believe that or not), and also because the B definitely produced a lot more than what the industry could handle over the last couple years.

shops not being able to sell as well, and not doing as big of prebooks (if doing prebooks at all) is simply a fact, for those reasons. its not EVERY shop and its not always TERRIBLE, but its been happening. its not an opinion, its an observation of what has been happening and what is still happening. every rep i have talked to about this in general has come out and told me about accounts doing smaller prebooks or none at all because of the situation with sierra, and the situation with burton.. separately, not "the situation with sierra and burton."

and on the flipside, i can say the same as far as how shops have started adding to their prebooks since burton pulled out, because that restored a lot of confidence.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecodeSpencer...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:15:50 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 11:15pm

Originally posted by pipecode

Spencer works in a shop, meaning he gets stuff at cost which is usually at least around a 40% discount.

there isnt a standard like that.... no one knows what i pay for things unless i tell them..

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by PeekabooOf...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:14:56 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 11:14pm

Originally posted by Peekaboo

Of course they are here to make money Spencer, its a business after all. Do I really have to point out the obvious everytime?

But I do feel that sierra have more sales (for whatever reason that you believe in). Im sure you spencer will agree with me on that one. Otherwise you wouldnt buy things from them. You have mad discount from them dude. At least be a bit graceful.

i dont buy anything from sierra. and im not being ungrateful. it has nothing to do with that.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:32:19 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 10:32pm

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by pipecode

Originally posted by Superorb

Originally posted by AyChan87

dont most snow companies exist to make money???

All for-profit businesses, in general, exist to generate a profit.

It's the method in which they do it that comes into question.

Ummmmmmm, by selling stock at prices more people can afford, therefore making more sales than those that don't? Yeah, that's a really sucky "method" Sierra's got.

Let's compare that to Burton's "method" shall we? Artificially overinflating the worth of their product and DEMANDING that retailers bear the brunt of this greedy sales "method", not themselves. Yeah, Jake Burton deserves a sainthood!

Burton aside, since they aren't the only ones out there (other companies have the same markup and the same contracts for sales). The method is by breaking vendor contracts and cutting other shops in the process, but of course you'll say "show me the proof", which I can't. I can only say things I've heard Mike say in the past with his rants on shutting down other shops and telling Burton at SIA how he was selling at a lower percent early ON PURPOSE and didn't care what they said.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecode Originally...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:12:33 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 10:12pm

Originally posted by pipecode

Originally posted by Superorb

Originally posted by AyChan87

dont most snow companies exist to make money???

All for-profit businesses, in general, exist to generate a profit.

It's the method in which they do it that comes into question.

Ummmmmmm, by selling stock at prices more people can afford, therefore making more sales than those that don't? Yeah, that's a really sucky "method" Sierra's got.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : +1, it is about protecting our...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:10:19 +0000

Author: eldolocal68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 10:10pm

+1, it is about protecting our own self-interest

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecodeSpencer...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:05:34 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 10:05pm

Originally posted by pipecode

Spencer works in a shop, meaning he gets stuff at cost which is usually at least around a 40% discount.

No disrespect to you spenser, but that's a valid point. Regardless what percentage discounts you actually get, you'd rarely pay full retail - and you want to protect the job that gives you this.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Superorb Originally...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:04:21 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 10:04pm

Originally posted by Superorb

Originally posted by AyChan87

dont most snow companies exist to make money???

All for-profit businesses, in general, exist to generate a profit.

It's the method in which they do it that comes into question.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by AyChan87dont...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:59:30 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 9:59pm

Originally posted by AyChan87

dont most snow companies exist to make money???

All for-profit businesses, in general, exist to generate a profit.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : dont most snow companies exist...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:57:44 +0000

Author: AyChan87
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 9:57pm

dont most snow companies exist to make money???

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Spencer works in a shop, meaning...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:21:27 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 9:21pm

Spencer works in a shop, meaning he gets stuff at cost which is usually at least around a 40% discount.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Of course they are here to make...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:05:40 +0000

Author: Peekaboo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 9:05pm

Of course they are here to make money Spencer, its a business after all. Do I really have to point out the obvious everytime?

But I do feel that sierra have more sales (for whatever reason that you believe in). Im sure you spencer will agree with me on that one. Otherwise you wouldnt buy things from them. You have mad discount from them dude. At least be a bit graceful.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : you think sierra isnt just here...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:01:30 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 9:01pm

you think sierra isnt just here to get money? come on.

i wont comment on what people have told me about their first hand in-person experiences with sierra, as visitors and as staff members.. but for reelz, take off the rose colored glasses.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : When I said I believe in sierra...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:59:41 +0000

Author: Peekaboo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 8:59pm

When I said I believe in sierra and what it stands for. I meant the ideal behind their business, a company that REALLY support the snowboarder. If you refer to their business practice, well I personally dont care about that. Let me ask you this, why are you here? there are plenty of other places you could buy and plenty of forum.

But in all seriousness, a lot of the company out there, are there to just get your money. Im sure they can cut the prize down a little and still makes a big profit.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecode Originally...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:49:42 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 8:49pm

Originally posted by pipecode

Originally posted by Peekaboo

... I have a lot of respect for this company and what it stands for. Hope everything will go well for them and for us as a community.

Really? I hope you're joking.

What's wrong with that???

I'd MUCH rather support a company that supports snowboarders (by enabling more people to buy affordable gear, therefore getting more people into the sport) like Sierra, than a company that just pretends to support snowboarders (but really only cares about making money) like Burton.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I'm really sad to hear this....

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:08:14 +0000

Author: BoardingSteve25
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 8:08pm

I'm really sad to hear this. This is my favorite place to buy everything.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : if that were true it would have...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:02:41 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 8:02pm

if that were true it would have happened a long time ago. ultimately we will all have to just wait till something is official.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Well, eventually I'm sure...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:50:09 +0000

Author: wdi
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 7:50pm

Well, eventually I'm sure they'll let us know what's going on....

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : to be fair most of us dont know...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:39:00 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 7:39pm

to be fair most of us dont know the inner workings of sierra. we dont know most of what goes down behind the scenes. im not trying to directly suggest anything, im just making a point that sometimes we dont know exactly what we're saying or what we're into.. if that makes sense.

and yes, im in that group too. im just sayin...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Peekaboo Originally...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:32:04 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 7:32pm

Originally posted by Peekaboo

Originally posted by bakerr6

btw, if sierra does go, I would just search on thefind.com and compare prices on there.

HOWEVER, if sierra does still hang around, I will not buy from any other company unless they are sold out on the product or do not carry it.

If people really want to evaluate a company, do it as a whole. Do a cae analysis and then come tell me which companies are better than others. Base your statements on facts, not hearsay. Besides, brand image is much more valuable over marketshare. You may be abe t mass produce product and sell it for a couple years, but if your image dwindles, so will your marketshare, unless you have a low cost, low price strategy, which rarely works in a retail setting

Well said man. I have a lot of respect for this company and what it stands for. Hope everything will go well for them and for us as a community.

Really? I hope you're joking.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : hope it doesn't come to the...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:21:15 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 7:21pm

hope it doesn't come to the end but we won't know until the 22nd i guess and potentially still not even then. waiting..............

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by bakerr6btw,...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:19:33 +0000

Author: Peekaboo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 7:19pm

Well said man. I have a lot of respect for this company and what it stands for. Hope everything will go well for them and for us as a community.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : btw, if sierra does go, I would...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:16:18 +0000

Author: bakerr6
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 7:16pm

btw, if sierra does go, I would just search on thefind.com and compare prices on there.

HOWEVER, if sierra does still hang around, I will not buy from any other company unless they are sold out on the product or do not carry it.

If people really want to evaluate a company, do it as a whole. Do a cae analysis and then come tell me which companies are better than others. Base your statements on facts, not hearsay. Besides, brand image is much more valuable over marketshare. You may be abe t mass produce product and sell it for a couple years, but if your image dwindles, so will your marketshare, unless you have a low cost, low price strategy, which rarely works in a retail setting

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Old data on market share, but...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:29:55 +0000

Author: apathetic_one
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 5:29pm

Old data on market share, but found a list from 8/07 to 2/08. List looked to be just boards, not all hard and soft goods.

Burton > 40%
K2 10% or just over
Ride, Rome (everyone below Rome < 5%)
Rossignol, salomon, 5150, Nitro, Gnu (everyone else under 2%)

Unless those numbers have changed significantly in the last couple of years, how does the market share argument have any merit? Basically, Brilars, you're saying Burton and K2 are the only quality brands since they are the only ones with greater than 10% share? One company dominates and the top 4 are 65-70% share with maybe 40 more companies between 0.x-5% share.

Local shop guy told me Rome was #3 last year, but I can't find stats online to back that quickly, so ymmv.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : B&M...the next Sierra...online...the...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:59:35 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 1:59pm

B&M...the next Sierra...online...the Ice Coast truckload sale.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by greenmnmsiQuick...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:42:22 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 1:42pm

Originally posted by greenmnmsi

Quick question....where would we all buy from if Sierra closes?

Locally, other online sites, etc.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by greenmnmsiQuick...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:37:51 +0000

Author: hana24
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 1:37pm

Originally posted by greenmnmsi

Quick question....where would we all buy from if Sierra closes?

GOOGLE

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Quick question....where would...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:32:55 +0000

Author: greenmnmsi
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 1:32pm

Quick question....where would we all buy from if Sierra closes?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by fostpaint Originally...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:05:31 +0000

Author: BudAshes
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 1:05pm

Originally posted by fostpaint

Originally posted by Phatman

It amazes me that the instant you guys don't like something someone has to say that they are an "EL fanboy".

As far as Rome bindings being a drake chasis from the late 90s, maybe in the very basics of the design but there are a lot of distinguishing factors from materials, improved adjustability, and overall construction. Yes they are both composite bases with a metal heel cup that extends to the midlle/front of the binding, but thats about where the similarity ends. Then add to that mix that Rome also started producing 2 models of Unibody binders 2-3 years ago (United and Shift.

As far as their boards, I implore you to find me a board with more tech and better features at the $400 pricepoint than the Headline. For a couple years the Rome Design was the lightest board on the market. So I don't really think your claims of inferior tech being the reason for a reduction in Market share are based in reality.

What I think ties into that more is that their graphics are an aquired taste at best, their anti-corporate marketing campaigns aren't great, and the abundance of cheap Burton K2 and Ride product due to overproduction. Its pretty tough to sell a smaller company's board when theres stacks of boards from companies that people have heard of sitting there.

Have I mentioned ho much I love you Pat? (in a totally non-gheybuttsecks kind of way)

so bj's and handjobs only?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : yep. ordered some union forces...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:02:38 +0000

Author: ejaeyoon
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 1:02pm

yep. ordered some union forces and got them 4 days later. not bad considering i live in ohio

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by alonSo...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:57:33 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 12:57pm

Originally posted by alon

So when they will close Sierra definitely??

after yelling at my screen some words that i will not type, there's no date. There's collabs in the works and product being shipped and sold. They are operating as normal

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by alonSo...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:55:20 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 12:55pm

Originally posted by alon

So when they will close Sierra definitely??

We don't know, but we'll know more after the court decision on the 22nd.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : So when they will close Sierra...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:43:35 +0000

Author: alon
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 12:43pm

So when they will close Sierra definitely??

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by myungsupi...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:19:20 +0000

Author: shock639
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 12:19pm

Originally posted by myungsup

i have a question. does that mean i should NOT buy from sierra? O_O...

I just returned and re-ordered something and it went fast. I had my gift card money back in my account within a day. I than promptly spent it on something else. My new Horrorscope should be here Monday.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : They're still fulfilling...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:13:29 +0000

Author: fostpaint
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 12:13pm

They're still fulfilling orders right now, so if it's in stock and the price is right, I see no reason not to.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i have a question. does that mean...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:12:14 +0000

Author: myungsup
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 12:12pm

i have a question. does that mean i should NOT buy from sierra? O_O...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : sorry didnt realize I put a space...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:51:29 +0000

Author: bakerr6
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 11:51am

sorry didnt realize I put a space in there. yes I am talking about AMSoil. I am just referring to the guy who said that limiting our products to certain dealers is not a sales strategy, whichw e all know is

Bankruptcy and Liquidation :

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:33:11 +0000

Author: diviesti
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 11:33am

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : are you trying to say amsoil?...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:24:22 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 11:24am

are you trying to say amsoil? As in the synthetic oil company, just want to make sure.

Because from my understanding, amsoil is one of the highest quality motor oils that is available to the masses. Sure they may not be everywhere, but alot of enthusiasts to do search out for retailers, just based on their name alone. Please ignore this if you are talking about something else.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : For anyone that's worried...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:20:55 +0000

Author: bakerr6
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 11:20am

For anyone that's worried about market share and having products sold in very few stores,c alling them inferior brands because of their lack of marketshare, take AMSoil for example. They are inclusive to very few retailers, not because they have an inferior product, but because of their brand loyalty to product uniqueness and quality. It's easier to reproduce mass quantities of inferior product, versus producing excellent products in low quantities. One of my favorite analogies is comparing sam adams to budweiser

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by fostpaint Originally...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:06:42 +0000

Author: dirtysouth
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 10:06am

Originally posted by fostpaint

Originally posted by Phatman

It amazes me that the instant you guys don't like something someone has to say that they are an "EL fanboy".

Have I mentioned ho much I love you Pat? (in a totally non-gheybuttsecks kind of way)

No need to explain. Just get a room

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by lightning80Back...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:38:15 +0000

Author: fostpaint
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 9:38am

Originally posted by lightning80

Back on topic: so, what does this mean to us, the consumers?

It means no one really knows until the hearing next week

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Back on topic: so, what does this...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:36:21 +0000

Author: lightning80
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 9:36am

Back on topic: so, what does this mean to us, the consumers?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : EL Fanboys. All of you.

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:10 +0000

Author: mattaleao
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 9:32am

EL Fanboys. All of you.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by fostpaint As...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:25:40 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 9:25am

Originally posted by fostpaint

[QUOTE=Phatman]

Thanks for the comparison...when brilars called that out, I really didn't get it. i was trying to associate their underwrap heel loop to Drake...the thing that didn't make sense was Drake is more associated to Union than Rome is. But thanks for the clarification.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by PhatmanIt...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:10:44 +0000

Author: fostpaint
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 8:10am

Originally posted by Phatman

It amazes me that the instant you guys don't like something someone has to say that they are an "EL fanboy".

Have I mentioned ho much I love you Pat? (in a totally non-gheybuttsecks kind of way)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by brilarsMostly,...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:01:14 +0000

Author: exastronaut
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 8:01am

Originally posted by brilars

Mostly, I referred to sub-par product as low market share, as in product that is not in demand and cannot sustain a business.

Market share is totally unrelated to demand.

Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, and Ferrari have much, much smaller market shares than Ford, Chevy, Kia, etc. But people don't put down $100,000 deposits to get a limited edition Kia.

Kia may sell more cars than Mercedes, but Mercedes has been around a lot longer. A small market share can sustain a business. If they couldn't, we'd all be driving a Ford, drinking Budwiser, using Windows PC's, eating McDonalds, buying our snowboards from Dick's, etc, etc.

Companies like Arbor aren't trying to be Burton. Their business model is very different. Arbor, like Mercedes, wants to be a premium brand making high quality products that combine technology with artistry. They increase demand by not saturating the market with a ton of product. Many companies with small market shares are not trying to become the highest selling company within their industry.

A decrease in market share, or an inability to move product is an indication that a business may not be sustainable, but then again, steps can be taken to make the business more sustainable even with a smaller market share.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : It amazes me that the instant...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 06:27:14 +0000

Author: Phatman
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 6:27am

It amazes me that the instant you guys don't like something someone has to say that they are an "EL fanboy".

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by eldolocal68would...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 05:30:58 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 5:30am

Originally posted by eldolocal68

would it be surprising that brilars, although a member since '08, but with only 29 posts, is a EL fan-boy?

El fan-boy? Maybe.

Troll? Most definitely.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : would it be surprising that brilars,...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 04:42:35 +0000

Author: eldolocal68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 4:42am

would it be surprising that brilars, although a member since '08, but with only 29 posts, is a EL fan-boy?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : haha this is awesome, its a bashing...

Thu, 16 Sep 2010 02:01:31 +0000

Author: Barra_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/16/2010 at 2:01am

haha this is awesome, its a bashing thread lol..

brilars, you are smoking too much crack.. lay off it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by brilarsPretty...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:58:04 +0000

Author: BudAshes
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 2:58pm

Originally posted by brilars

Pretty simply put, brands with low or seriously decreasing marketshare and brands keeping product molds year after year, often using outdated or inferior construction.

Obviously you are some kind of expert. Tell us your amazing qualifications so that we you can enlighten us all with your superior knowledge.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by brilarsPretty...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:19:43 +0000

Author: CoMtnRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 2:19pm

Saying Arbor boards are outdated and have inferior construction screams ignorance.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : damnnn youuu i want a charlie...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:55:14 +0000

Author: Dirtydragon
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 1:55pm

damnnn youuu i want a charlie slasher.. i didn't know they were in stock!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by VermontRiderFedEx...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:32:20 +0000

Author: mattaleao
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 1:32pm

Originally posted by VermontRider

FedEx just delivered the Charlie I ordered form Sierra.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : FedEx just delivered the Charlie...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:22:51 +0000

Author: VermontRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 1:22pm

FedEx just delivered the Charlie I ordered form Sierra.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ^ well said, rome is legit

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:00:10 +0000

Author: ddomski
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 12:00pm

^ well said, rome is legit

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : You do understand that market...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:10:04 +0000

Author: giftedhands
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 11:10am

You do understand that market share to construction quality, is not the same equation as x=y. Market share has more to do with, well, marketing and advertising, than the quality of the product itself. And considering that rome has what, 5 different camber profiles, and 5 different kinds of cores, im not sure what you mean by them 'not changing product molds'. By that logic, Burton is the only company that makes a good product, and i'm sure we'd agree that isn't true. Adding to that, K2 has the second largest market share, are they the second bestest snowboard company?

32, Lib, GNU were all at sierra last season, and most of their product sold out at full MSRP or close to it. I haven't heard anything about them not working with sierra for the upcoming season, i guess we'll all see come november or so.

Here's a link to Rome's technology. I honestly don't know what you're talking about.

If you just want to harp on the demise of sierra, feel free.. but saying stuff like rome uses inferior technology....just doesn't make any sense.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by brilarsPretty...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:01:49 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 11:01am

I would like to see a sales and volume graph of what you're saying. I'm interested in this information. do you have a web link or anything to support what you're saying? Is it the same for Arbor too?

What's outdated and inferior construction? bamboo?

Originally posted by brilars

As for Rome you can compare model to model, year to year if you have access to it like I have had. Go find yourself a Drake F-60 from 1999 or 2000 and compare the chassis to a Rome 390.

I must not be looking at the same pictures cause the chassis of a Rome and Drake don't look the same to me. How about giving your analysis how they are the same or similar since you have access to it?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by VermontRider Originally...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:38:32 +0000

Author: brilars
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 10:38am

Originally posted by VermontRider

Originally posted by brilars

Yes, Rome's marketshare has dropped significantly the past few seasons. You can go into regions and not find a single store that sells them anymore. They rarely change product molds and their bindings chassis are built like late 1990's Drake.

Arbor just has low market share. They aren't in demand products and a snowboard business cannot sustain itself on brands like these.

You are all over the place with your definition of a sub-par product, and don't really back it up with facts at all. I think you are being silly.

Mostly, I referred to sub-par product as low market share, as in product that is not in demand and cannot sustain a business. My post was not to attack individual product as much as it was to show the product in stock is an indicator of rumors being true.

As for Rome you can compare model to model, year to year if you have access to it like I have had. Go find yourself a Drake F-60 from 1999 or 2000 and compare the chassis to a Rome 390.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : wow ! i never believed it!

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:35:44 +0000

Author: Megaboo1121
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 10:35am

wow ! i never believed it!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Superorb^^...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:33:45 +0000

Author: brilars
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 10:33am

Originally posted by Superorb

^^ Dollar stores have old, cheap, crappy stuff and yet they're everywhere. Price sells.

Agreed, and that's why people are buying these products on this site. You get a discount, you think you're getting a good deal. But my point was about the questions of whether or not this site is going down based on the product in stock. It's pretty simple to see and it seems like people are waiting for product from the brands that I mentioned that will never come.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by brilars Originally...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:32:00 +0000

Author: VermontRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 10:32am

Originally posted by brilars

Arbor just has low market share. They aren't in demand products and a snowboard business cannot sustain itself on brands like these.

You are all over the place with your definition of a sub-par product, and don't really back it up with facts at all. I think you are being silly.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ^^ Dollar stores have old, cheap,...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:29:16 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 10:29am

^^ Dollar stores have old, cheap, crappy stuff and yet they're everywhere. Price sells.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by brilarsPretty...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:21:24 +0000

Author: brilars
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 10:21am

Arbor just has low market share. They aren't in demand products and a snowboard business cannot sustain itself on brands like these.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i dont want to put words in your...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:19:21 +0000

Author: giftedhands
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 10:19am

i dont want to put words in your mouth, but are you saying that rome and arbor uses outdated and/or inferior construction?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Pretty simply put, brands with...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:17:50 +0000

Author: brilars
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 10:17am

Pretty simply put, brands with low or seriously decreasing marketshare and brands keeping product molds year after year, often using outdated or inferior construction.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : did you just call rome and arbor...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:16:21 +0000

Author: giftedhands
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 10:16am

did you just call rome and arbor sub par brands?

Edit: Haha, VR beat me to it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by brilarsI...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:14:52 +0000

Author: VermontRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 10:14am

Originally posted by brilars

I love all the responses like this. Really? Look around the site. Rome, Arbor, Capita, and Head? Other than Capita it's sub-par brands that are desparate for market share.

I'd like to know your definition of sub-par brands.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BigBadPooHI...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:07:56 +0000

Author: brilars
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 10:07am

Originally posted by BigBadPooH

I really hope these are rumors, would be sad if it was true

I love all the responses like this. Really? Look around the site. Rome, Arbor, Capita, and Head? Other than Capita it's sub-par brands that are desparate for market share. Under current ownership you will never see: Burton, Lib Tech, DC, Forum, 32, Gnu, K2, Roxy, Ride, and YES among others on this site ever again.

Go ahead and waste your time building up points to get discounts, all these brands' dealer contacts have outlawed the practice referring to them as "in community discounts". So, if The House does buy this site they wll abide by regulations the way they currently do. Go ahead, go to their site. You will find product from last season at discounts like 20% off.

I would suggest if anyone wants any brands or products not found on this site, go elsewhere. You won't find them here and product is already selling out at other stores.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : what does this mean then?

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:51:05 +0000

Author: deuceman08
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 9:51am

what does this mean then?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : well at least a portion of this...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:43:53 +0000

Author: BANDWAGON
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 9:43am

well at least a portion of this thread was worth reading.

I mean really, we are all going to disappear when the supervolcano under yellowstone blows up anyway. When that happens will you really care about anything but the hot chicks?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : What would I do if I can't...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 04:57:47 +0000

Author: Shaz
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 4:57am

What would I do if I can't log into Sierra everyday and spec out new gear. Crap.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : he loves it a lot more than you...

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 04:12:24 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 4:12am

he loves it a lot more than you based on his post count :P j/k

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : how much do you love it?

Tue, 14 Sep 2010 03:15:38 +0000

Author: crzdcole
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/14/2010 at 3:15am

how much do you love it?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i love this place lol hope nothign...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:04:41 +0000

Author: kyleighcloo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 10:04pm

i love this place lol hope nothign happens to it

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I really hope these are rumors,...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 20:30:00 +0000

Author: BigBadPooH
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 8:30pm

I really hope these are rumors, would be sad if it was true

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by bagelzzzthey...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 20:16:20 +0000

Author: Sintexo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 8:16pm

Originally posted by bagelzzz

they give boards away, of course ya wont stay in buisiness

It's basically advertising costs. Which seems to work pretty well.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by bagelzzzthey...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 20:02:57 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 8:02pm

Originally posted by bagelzzz

they give boards away, of course ya wont stay in buisiness

They can write off the boards for full retail even though they're normally 30-50% off. Pretty smart if you ask me.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : they give boards away, of course...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:58:29 +0000

Author: bagelzzz
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 7:58pm

they give boards away, of course ya wont stay in buisiness

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ^ Just for the record I didn't...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:53:14 +0000

Author: Sintexo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 1:53pm

^ Just for the record I didn't take that picture haha, just thought it was funny.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Sintexo Originally...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:58:52 +0000

Author: wpiass
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 11:58am

Originally posted by Sintexo

Originally posted by spenser

thank you

Now a hot chick addition...

now that's creativity...and not even needing photoshop!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Moto I...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:31:36 +0000

Author: Season_Addict
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 11:31am

Originally posted by Moto

I love German girls.

And it´s true...they all look like that!
I can see it everyday..wait, these are the ones I see while dreaming in the train =)
Reality is unfortunately way better..it´s hard to live here ;)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I love German girls.

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:17:46 +0000

Author: Moto
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 11:17am

I love German girls.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : any updates on that?

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:08:03 +0000

Author: Charb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 11:08am

any updates on that?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by VermontRiderI'd...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:54:09 +0000

Author: barnyard
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 9:54am

Originally posted by VermontRider

I'd tap that.

best line of the day

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Hehehehe. Looks like a Lake Havasu...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:48:45 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 9:48am

Hehehehe. Looks like a Lake Havasu party.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ^^^If it was only true...is that...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:48:21 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 9:48am

^^^If it was only true...is that why men get married to women? That makes sense.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by VermontRiderI'd...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:46:17 +0000

Author: MiguelMas
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 9:46am

Originally posted by VermontRider

I'd tap that.

All too easy.....

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I'd tap that.

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:42:54 +0000

Author: VermontRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 9:42am

I'd tap that.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation :

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:31:09 +0000

Author: MiguelMas
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 9:31am

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : How about some love for...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 08:58:47 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 8:58am

How about some love for Ms. Babcock

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I love where this thread is going!...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 08:54:14 +0000

Author: jeffalmonte89
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 8:54am

I love where this thread is going!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Superorb Originally...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 08:09:12 +0000

Author: Boneseh
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 8:09am

Originally posted by Superorb

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

I forgot my hot chicks addition

We need more of these 2 chicks Zoe!!

There aren't anymore, I checked.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoeI...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:30:26 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 7:30am

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

I forgot my hot chicks addition

We need more of these 2 chicks Zoe!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : only 10 more days till a court...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 05:34:00 +0000

Author: citac
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 5:34am

only 10 more days till a court decision hopefully then we find out who controls what, and keep the pictures of the ladies rolling in :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : lol at "hot chick" picture...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 03:24:03 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 3:24am

lol at "hot chick" picture heh, gold

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Moto, That has to be the best...

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 02:44:03 +0000

Author: koji3
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/13/2010 at 2:44am

Moto, That has to be the best non-pornographic Picture ever!!

Sintexo, You much be pretty shtooked up. haha jks jks

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : wow @ the blonde on the right ...

Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:42:03 +0000

Author: anton
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/12/2010 at 9:42pm

wow @ the blonde on the right

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenserthank...

Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:14:34 +0000

Author: Sintexo
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/12/2010 at 9:14pm

Originally posted by spenser

thank you

Now a hot chick addition...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : thank you

Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:02:28 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/12/2010 at 9:02pm

thank you

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I forgot my hot chicks addition ...

Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:58:42 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/12/2010 at 8:58pm

I forgot my hot chicks addition

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by WingnutxIf...

Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:53:03 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/12/2010 at 8:53pm

Originally posted by idshredhead

Back in march Levi posted the addendum that had the dates/% off that it could be discounted. It was dated April 21, 2009...

This

I think its a large accusation to say members are hurting sierra by openly discussing the matter. this is a forum, were supposed to discuss stuff and sometimes discussion IS speculation, everyone is entitled to add their 2cents, that doesn't mean they're right. But I wouldn't go as far as to say that its hurting Sierra. The more people discuss it the more the truth comes out ~ sometimes for better or worse.

We know everything that happens from here on out is all legal and we have no say in it. We will have to wait until the 22nd to find out more now.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : sweet! I knew that I signed up...

Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:40:38 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/12/2010 at 8:40pm

sweet! I knew that I signed up for email notifications for something worth commenting on...so this is a daily update thread now to start the day off on a happy note. Thanks!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : go germany!

Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:35:42 +0000

Author: barnyard
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/12/2010 at 5:35pm

go germany!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Sup?

Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:47:18 +0000

Author: Moto
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/12/2010 at 4:47pm

Sup?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : yesssss this thread is starting...

Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:42:20 +0000

Author: GC4220
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/12/2010 at 4:42pm

yesssss this thread is starting to look better...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by brilarsIt's...

Sun, 12 Sep 2010 04:44:11 +0000

Author: koji3
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/12/2010 at 4:44am

Originally posted by brilars

It's great to see someone who actually knows what they are writing about on here. You're absolutley right, Spencer. Sierra was destroying snowboard business for every shop and brand. Now that it is under control, shops have put in larger orders and brands are stating prebooks went up.

On a sidenote, I have to apologize for questioning your knowledge the other day. You clearly have a much more broad grasp of the industry then 98% of the people on here.

He owns a shop, i believe.

Haha here we go another pics thread to drool at.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by winzeok...

Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:20:57 +0000

Author: jeremy86
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/12/2010 at 2:20am

Originally posted by winze

ok that pic is the best part of this thread :P love it

+1 totally with u on that one Really put a positive spin on this thread

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ok that pic is the best part of...

Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:11:50 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/12/2010 at 2:11am

ok that pic is the best part of this thread :P love it

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Nice addition to the thread

Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:05:22 +0000

Author: barnyard
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/11/2010 at 10:05pm

Nice addition to the thread

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Tcha!

Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:50:25 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/11/2010 at 9:50pm

Tcha!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Jermaine Amen...

Sat, 11 Sep 2010 20:58:23 +0000

Author: fostpaint
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/11/2010 at 8:58pm

Originally posted by Jermaine

Amen brother....Finally someone who is on the same page as me

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by eldolocal68please,...

Sat, 11 Sep 2010 20:38:18 +0000

Author: Wingnutx
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/11/2010 at 8:38pm

Originally posted by eldolocal68

please, can we get two weeks of peace...then we will have more info. to go on...SERENITY NOW! SERENITY NOW! SERENITY NOW!

Amen brother....Finally someone who is on the same page as me

Bankruptcy and Liquidation :

Sat, 11 Sep 2010 19:43:24 +0000

Author: Jermaine
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/11/2010 at 7:43pm

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : please, can we get two weeks of...

Sat, 11 Sep 2010 07:07:32 +0000

Author: eldolocal68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/11/2010 at 7:07am

please, can we get two weeks of peace...then we will have more info. to go on...SERENITY NOW! SERENITY NOW! SERENITY NOW!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ippollite Ippolite...

Sat, 11 Sep 2010 06:50:42 +0000

Author: dirtysouth
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/11/2010 at 6:50am

Originally posted by ippollite

Ippolite you have a bazillion posts in this thread and most of them are well thought out and informative. However after reading a bunch of stuff you posted last night I see one huge glaring issue you keep failing to address and that is the new burton.com store that has every burton product in every size for sale with free shipping and no tax. Please explain to me how that helps the local retailers??? You have stated a ton of times in varying text/words

"Right now customers arent buying in local shops because its cheaper online, so local shops are cancelling contracts, and burton are losing money on this. So to fix it, burton instigated all these changes (as well as no longer flooding the market assuming they can simply sell it on to a massive buyer like sierra or thehouse, and also reducing their line drastically to cut out overlap on decks that clearly dont sell as well). "

Yeah burton gives a damn about those shops that is why they are selling everything on their site with no tax and free shipping. Burton and Sierra got into a dick measuring contest and Burton set out to prove they have the biggest dick in the industry. They are making an example of sierra plain and simple.

Burton realized that online sales are the way the industry is headed so they are now increasing the size of their online store while simultaneously attempting to put their biggest competitor for online sales out of business. Seems like damn near everyone in this thread wants to ignore that giant pink elephant in the room

Good point and i'll have to semi concede it. I say semi concede it because its not entirely distinct from having places like thehouse and porters and backcountry all still in business. They also all damage local shops too of course and they all offer free shipping. But they still play by the agreed timetable. Im not dogging on sierra by the way, just trying to make sense of the context of why theyd bring in this pricing mechanism. It seems the simplest explanation is really that in early 2009 (when burton was a manufacturer but probably realising it was time to also become an etailer) while canvassing for business, they realised they were losing orders and thus money.

I think your key point about the burton.com stores is the recognition that they are *increasing* their presence. As yet (and certainly as then) they dont have the scale at present and certainly are under direct threat from sierras practices. I think and agree that sierra were made an example of. I also think it was very deliberate in order for them to point at and say "look what we're doing!" to the people cancelling their contracts (whilst simultaneously sending decks individually to stores by fedex instead of grouped together and forcing them to eat those shipping costs (a story from spenser if i recall)and also still retaining some quite restrictive sales practices: compulsory purchasing isnt gone i believe, though i think its been scaled back a bit).

In a sense then its very much gaining as much money from local shops as possible while slowly moving to directly compete with their business. In a way its moving their tanks on the lawn while talking about the russian threat :)

Sorry if all my metaphors are whack, hangover and first thing after waking up :)

I think when sierra defaulted (though as i say, its more likely they witheld it due to the sudden demand from nowhere that they play by new pricing rules in an attempt to force burton to concede), they opened the door to litigation and everything that followed. As mentioned before, although the pricing isnt cited in the Esq post as being burtons complaint, im pretty sure its this change which informs almost everything about it. Theres an idea that sierra's policy is to just take stock of lots of goods, not pay for it, and then sell it at 50% off (ive seen it mentioned recently). I think thats a ludicrous point. Its by bringing up the surrounding context that we give the tale a bit more depth and get into the complexity of it all. I therefore appreciate the interjection because it felt too simple while i was arguing about it if im honest :)

The nub of it then might be, burton still need local shop business. Its still crucial to burton because it gives them massive revenue which they can then sink into their own retail ambitions. The pricing mechanism may in fact then turn out to be something to not destroy sierra, but to tie the hands of local retailers when they go into direct competition with them over the next few years.

Isnt this game theory and all that? Im pretty sure i remember this exact process from something or other?

Damn son, this is the first thing you do after waking up. The first thing I do is go take a piss.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Ippolite you have a bazillion...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:28:43 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 7:28pm

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by idshredhead Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:37:17 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 6:37pm

Originally posted by idshredhead

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by Wingnutx

At this point I think we are doing Sierra a big disservice by wildly speculating what was or wasn't included in the contract ...

No, I think it's just the opposite. From the outset, many people have been "doing Sierra a big disservice" by blindly assuming that Burton had a signed contract with Sierra preventing them from discounting more than 40%, and that Sierra broke that contract - this portrays Sierra as the bad guys. Now, however, people are starting to wise up and realise that as Burton's lawyers have failed to produce such a contract, for all intents and purposes it legally doesn't exist - and that the bad guys in this whole fiasco are actually Burton.

yes because one party altering the contract via a black marker is totally legit.

It is - prior to signing.

Originally posted by idshredhead

... the question is... did burton accept the sharpie mods?

Probably not. That's the point - the amended contract was probably never finalised/signed, therefore Sierra wasn't legally bound by it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Superorb Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:31:44 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 6:31pm

Originally posted by Superorb

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Hehe, well, they used to.

Now the mobsters' best friends are their lawyers, as it's mostly about exploiting legal loopholes and operating at the "edge" of the law - just like Burton's doing with Sierra.

Good point. I'm sure there are facade businesses, but I doubt if present day mobsters do everything legally. It just wouldn't be in their nature.

Well, there's always the occasional mob hit to spice things up.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by eldolocal68didn't...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:30:00 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 6:30pm

Originally posted by eldolocal68

didn't this all go down because sierra didn't make payments on time, and has nothing to do with discounting...at least thats what i got from the legal summaries. installment payment was not made on time, burton took the lack of payment as an excuse to void contract and demand full payment...lawsuit insued.

That's pretty much it - except that Burton only alleges Sierra "didn't make payments on time" (Sierra disagrees), because Burton sees it as an opportunity to put their major (online) competition out of business.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Hehe,...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:24:24 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 6:24pm

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Hehe, well, they used to.

Now the mobsters' best friends are their lawyers, as it's mostly about exploiting legal loopholes and operating at the "edge" of the law - just like Burton's doing with Sierra.

Good point. I'm sure there are facade businesses, but I doubt if present day mobsters do everything legally. It just wouldn't be in their nature.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:23:52 +0000

Author: idshredhead
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 6:23pm

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by Wingnutx

At this point I think we are doing Sierra a big disservice by wildly speculating what was or wasn't included in the contract ...

yes because one party altering the contract via a black marker is totally legit. I do this all the time with car loans, schools loans..etc. Was it the addendum that mike blacked out? I don't remember. Back in march Levi posted the addendum that had the dates/% off that it could be discounted. It was dated April 21, 2009... which is kinda weird because in the thread about this in snowboardingforum.com, mike.m claims burton came in guns blazin' tryin to change the contract in july after stock had already began to role it...so whats the troof?

also, the question is... did burton accept the sharpie mods? A reg. member on EL who was the Canadian National Sales Manager for burton in canada said that in her opinion and what she observed during her time with burton it was burtons way or no way when it came to retailers trying to change contracts.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : didn't this all go down because...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:17:32 +0000

Author: eldolocal68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 6:17pm

didn't this all go down because sierra didn't make payments on time, and has nothing to do with discounting...at least thats what i got from the legal summaries. installment payment was not made on time, burton took the lack of payment as an excuse to void contract and demand full payment...lawsuit insued.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Superorb Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:07:29 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 6:07pm

Originally posted by Superorb

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by Superorb

^^ It's not mafia-like, it's just business.

Yeah, "it's just business" - that's also what the mob says.

Except the mob conducts business illegally

Hehe, well, they used to.

Now the mobsters' best friends are their lawyers, as it's mostly about exploiting legal loopholes and operating at the "edge" of the law - just like Burton's doing with Sierra.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:56:36 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 5:56pm

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by Superorb

^^ It's not mafia-like, it's just business.

Yeah, "it's just business" - that's also what the mob says.

Except the mob conducts business illegally

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by WingnutxAt...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:53:07 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 4:53pm

Originally posted by Wingnutx

At this point I think we are doing Sierra a big disservice by wildly speculating what was or wasn't included in the contract ...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by RideTimeless Burton...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:40:23 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 4:40pm

Originally posted by RideTimeless

Burton is moving into a new way of selling goods(online) and will take out it's major competitor. Sounds very mofia like.

Originally posted by Superorb

^^ It's not mafia-like, it's just business.

Yeah, "it's just business" - that's also what the mob says.

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

It looks pretty clear cut to me - Burton may have requested that Sierra not sell for less than 40%, but didn't have a legally binding contract to enforce it - so instead they used mafiaesque squeeze tactics to metaphorically bust Sierra's kneecaps.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by WingnutxIf...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:32:39 +0000

Author: dirtysouth
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 4:32pm

Originally posted by Wingnutx

If my memory serves me correctly, Mike never did post a copy of the contract. I know there were comments made that it was going to be posted but I don't think it ever made it.

There has been a lot of misinformation posted on here by other members (rumor has it), I certainly do not know anything in regards to the contract but the discounting portion, or sharpiegate portion, of the contract does not to appear to be at issue, at least not directly in the court filings. Which is why I tried to redirect the conversation a little.

Congrats on the double booking, I would try and help you out and take the Vegas trip but I will be San Diego this weekend.

no worries. Delta rebooked my Houston trip for the following weekend. Only cost me a small fortune.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by brilars Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:22:05 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 4:22pm

Originally posted by brilars

Originally posted by spenser

you missed it. people have all that stuff left over because burton pushed too much (their fault) AND because sierra did such huge discounts that a lot of shops couldnt compete. even at my little shop that no one has heard of, i had people coming in asking if we would match sierras 70% off and we just couldnt.

pulling out gave shops their confidence back so theyre far more likely to make bigger prebooks with burton, and burton not producing so much crap (quantity) will bring everything back to normal. its already happened, when B pulled out late last season, a lot of shops started making larger prebooks knowing they wouldnt have to compete with huge sales (which were against vendor agreements).

its better for burton in the long run to have a ton of smaller healthy shops than it is to have one big shop where lots of those other local shops are suffering.

No, read it again. BURTON "was destroying snowboard business for every shop and brand" by oversaturating the marketplace with their product. Sierra simply had the ability to move their excess Burton stock, whereas some other shops didn't.

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Burton got GREEDY by saturating the market with far too much product, and the only way Sierra could move their stock was to heavily discount it. Burton created the problem, NOT Sierra - they just did what they had to do under the circumstances. It's NOT Sierra's fault that they were able to successfully sell stock when others weren't - they're not a charity, and have just as much right to make a profit as anyone else.

Of course, this still leaves the smaller retailers adversely affected and complaining - but instead of accepting the blame for oversaturating the market, Burton selfishly chose to offer Sierra up as a sacrificial lamb.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : If my memory serves me correctly,...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:19:41 +0000

Author: Wingnutx
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 4:19pm

If my memory serves me correctly, Mike never did post a copy of the contract. I know there were comments made that it was going to be posted but I don't think it ever made it.

There has been a lot of misinformation posted on here by other members (rumor has it), I certainly do not know anything in regards to the contract but the discounting portion, or sharpiegate portion, of the contract does not to appear to be at issue, at least not directly in the court filings. Which is why I tried to redirect the conversation a little.

Congrats on the double booking, I would try and help you out and take the Vegas trip but I will be San Diego this weekend.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Wingnutx Dirty...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:51:53 +0000

Author: dirtysouth
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 3:51pm

Originally posted by Wingnutx

Dirty have you seen or read a single vendor contract between SS and Burton, because you would be the only person on this forum who has actually seen it. We have only heard one side's comments on what went down and even at that it was only bits and pieces. Without a copy of the contract(s) and a certifiable time line of how things really happened then we are only making wildass speculation as to the legality/enforceability of the contract and could very well be making unjust opinions as to the actions of both SS and Burton

Dirty my comments were made in general and were not directed towards you specifically.

Nope only seen the contract Mike posted on the forums a while back. I wasn't trying to take sides, just talking through possible scenarios, actually trying to answer some questions I had.

Any way, I forgot my wifes birthday and double booked the weekend. I will be flying to Vegas and Houston. If any one knows how I can clone myself it will be much appreciated.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Also based on Esq's interpretation...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:19:56 +0000

Author: Wingnutx
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 3:19pm

Also based on Esq's interpretation of the legal documents that have been filed in the court proceedings Burton has not directly raised this issue. As of right now it appears to be a non-issue

Please correct me if I am wrong

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Dirty have you seen or read...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:11:59 +0000

Author: Wingnutx
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 3:11pm

Dirty have you seen or read a single vendor contract between SS and Burton, because you would be the only person on this forum who has actually seen it. We have only heard one side's comments on what went down and even at that it was only bits and pieces. Without a copy of the contract(s) and a certifiable time line of how things really happened then we are only making wildass speculation as to the legality/enforceability of the contract and could very well be making unjust opinions as to the actions of both SS and Burton

Dirty my comments were made in general and were not directed towards you specifically.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Wingnutx Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:59:19 +0000

Author: dirtysouth
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 2:59pm

Originally posted by Wingnutx

Originally posted by dirtysouth

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

Originally posted by dirtysouth

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

Originally posted by dirtysouth

What I don't get is, if Sierra really crossed out portions of the contract that they did not agree with or did not want to abide by, then my in the hell did Burton sign the contract. Burton could have easily called Sierra and refuse to sign the contract unless Sierra agreed to abide by the points that were crossed out by Sierra. NO, instead Burton signed the contract and continued business as usual, until they decided to stop.

I deal with contracts dealing with million of dollars and if a partner of mine crossed out any contractual requirements we sure as hell wouldn't sign the contract and continue business with that person. Why did Burton not do this?

Burton has a lot to answer for in my opinion and I hope Sierra's Lawyers can make that point and I hope the Judge listens.

That's presuming that is in fact what happened.... what if it isnt.

Absolutely, I seem to remember that is the story that was told months and months ago though. And if I remember it came from Sierra. Now that I think about it (not to bring up old news) but wasn't a copy of the contract posted with the crossed out language? If not and it is a lie then Sierra is F'ed.

If that doesn't make sense I swear I'm not smoking crack.

No no, I remember the document, I remember everyone talking about it... but that doesn't mean Burton signed it after everything was marked off...

True true, but I thought Burton sent a bunch of products after that. Maybe I'm confused. Assuming Burton sent a bunch of products to Sierra, why would they do that if they didn't sign the vendor agreement? I'm so confused now.

At this point I think we are doing Sierra a big disservice by wildly speculating what was or wasn't included in the contract, the time line or anything else implied.

This is one part of the discussion that needs to be dropped, as none of us were privy to or have any personal knowledge of what happened between Sierra and Burton in regards to the vendor agreement. Let the attorneys read all of the actual documents and let the judge make a decision as to how he interprets the facts.

We as members are not dealing with facts and have hurt Sierra in our wildass speculation and hearsay

just sayin

Wildass speculation? I think there were a lot facts or at least what was provided as facts in my questions than wildass speculation. Sure I was making some assumptions based on the knowledge that i have on the issue which I have admitted is limited. Don't see how this is a disservice to Sierra. Besides there are at least 3 other threads that is all speculation. Don't see how my questions fall in the same category.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by dirtysouth Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:48:34 +0000

Author: Wingnutx
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 2:48pm

Originally posted by dirtysouth

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

Originally posted by dirtysouth

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

That's presuming that is in fact what happened.... what if it isnt.

No no, I remember the document, I remember everyone talking about it... but that doesn't mean Burton signed it after everything was marked off...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : cause the Big B probably knew...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:24:31 +0000

Author: Snowguy7
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 2:24pm

cause the Big B probably knew that sierra could get rid of all their old gravis stuff... just my reasoning behind it..

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:16:27 +0000

Author: dirtysouth
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 2:16pm

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

Originally posted by dirtysouth

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

That's presuming that is in fact what happened.... what if it isnt.

No no, I remember the document, I remember everyone talking about it... but that doesn't mean Burton signed it after everything was marked off...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by dirtysouth Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:51:15 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:51pm

Originally posted by dirtysouth

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

That's presuming that is in fact what happened.... what if it isnt.

No no, I remember the document, I remember everyone talking about it... but that doesn't mean Burton signed it after everything was marked off...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by shwazy Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:48:53 +0000

Author: dirtysouth
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:48pm

Originally posted by shwazy

Originally posted by pipecode

Originally posted by ippollite

youre using a wild definition of price fixing. As i said, if they were a monopoly and the only place in the world you could get them then youd be talking about price 'fixing'. Fixing is when all the manufacturers in the industry get together and agree to keep prices artificially high. As i said, you can go out and buy a completely different deck from a completely different company at about $150 cheaper. If burton want to fix their prices to the timetable of how they want you to sell it, then thats thir busniess as a private company. You can choose whether you want to get into bed with them or not as a retailer at the end of the day. And as you saw, the whole shenanigans arrive quite simply due to local shops realising it wasnt a deal they were prepared to agree to anymore. No one put a gun to their head, the market did not force them to accept inflated prices, nor did it force burton to change their practice. It was simply in their interests to find another route.

And so they both did exactly that. Burton attempted to bring back its business by offering them a regulated timetable of sales coupled to a releasing of former restrictions (such as percentage of shop floor space taken up by burton product and compulsory purchases). Retailers then moved either decided that was enough (and if spenser is to be believed), and they were much happier to order stock.

Price fixing is when all the major snowboard companies make a back door agreement to not sell their powder boards (lets say) below $500 regardless of how much it costs. Its not when burton decide how much they want their product to be sold for. They are acting completely independently and fixing their own prices in the market to a level they deem appropriate. And you the consumer have the option of taking your cash and putting it down on a 158 charlie slasher for $399 instead (with sintered base, rocker, and a 20mm taper for all your powder needs). And next year if they fixed their price too high, or the agreements were too rigid, then theyll have once again a bunch of stores cancelling their orders for 2012 gear and forcing them to think once again on their policies. No price fixing happening anywhere.

What youre really seeing is common language (burton are fixing the prices their retailers are allowed to sell their boards at) for a legal term "Price fixing" (which is where the industry works collectively instead of competitively to fix the price, industry wide, of a product or products).

Ultimately, if you want to carry burton, you agree to their terms. If you dont agree to their terms, then carry something else (which also probably has those terms too anyway).

Its a bit trite, but if you honestly think snowboards are too expensive and people are exploiting you, then set up your own business and show them how to make a profit without ripping off the customer. See if you can beat $399 for a slasher and all that tech and years of snowboard making experience.

Just wanted to touch on the last part of your writeup, the fact you can get a snowboard for that price was unheard of back in the day. Board prices haven't changed in 15 years, and people are complaining that they are too expensive. There has been no increase in the cost of boards for the consumer. If anything, prices have gone down, compared to the fact that people make more money on average. This is why I'm so lost as to why people complain that snowboarding isn't affordable.

I think what makes snowboarding unaffordable is the price of lift tickets. About 85 dollars a day on average at most Californian resorts.

yeah or at least a grand for a year pass in Utah, and that is only for one resort.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:44:54 +0000

Author: dirtysouth
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:44pm

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

That's presuming that is in fact what happened.... what if it isnt.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecode Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:42:02 +0000

Author: shwazy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:42pm

Originally posted by pipecode

I think what makes snowboarding unaffordable is the price of lift tickets. About 85 dollars a day on average at most Californian resorts.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by RideTimeless...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:40:18 +0000

Author: zakk
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:40pm

Originally posted by RideTimeless

Burton wants to be a successful online business for Burton products. Sierra is a successful online business for Burton products. Burton takes bats to Sierra's knees. Outcome: Burton becomes #1 online retailer for Burton products.

Anyways back to the thread topic...

after reading about burton's online shop that is live and seeing it myself, I think all they did was take a swing at one of the last real competitors left.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by dirtysouthWhat...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:28:22 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:28pm

That's presuming that is in fact what happened.... what if it isnt.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenserid...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:26:37 +0000

Author: BRUIZZA
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:26pm

Originally posted by spenser

id like to know exactly how the crossing-out thing went down as well.

I think a bunch of us would like to know how that went down.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by dirtysouthWhat...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:24:42 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:24pm

This is news to me, where are you getting your info from? Do you know for a fact that Sierra crossed a bunch of stuff out and Burton still accepted the new terms?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : id like to know exactly how the...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:23:19 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:23pm

id like to know exactly how the crossing-out thing went down as well.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : What I don't get is, if Sierra...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:19:11 +0000

Author: dirtysouth
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:19pm

What I don't get is, if Sierra really crossed out portions of the contract that they did not agree with or did not want to abide by, then my in the hell did Burton sign the contract. Burton could have easily called Sierra and refuse to sign the contract unless Sierra agreed to abide by the points that were crossed out by Sierra. NO, instead Burton signed the contract and continued business as usual, until they decided to stop.

I deal with contracts dealing with million of dollars and if a partner of mine crossed out any contractual requirements we sure as hell wouldn't sign the contract and continue business with that person. Why did Burton not do this?

Burton has a lot to answer for in my opinion and I hope Sierra's Lawyers can make that point and I hope the Judge listens.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I didn't realize that SS...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:19:00 +0000

Author: MATTSTERBATOR
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:19pm

I didn't realize that SS was having financial difficulties. Everyone needs to do their part to help out. Purchasing anything From SS will help. It is the least that we can do, as they still give products away every day. (Somebody pays for those products). I have purchased boards, boots, jackets, pants, helmets, etc from SS, and the thought of not having them around in the future is horrible. They have incredible deals, that I haven't found anywhere else. Lets all do our part to ensure we can continue to get great deals on snowboard gear in the future.

Matt

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoeIf...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:50:05 +0000

Author: craigalicious
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 11:50am

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

If the name Sierra some how survives all this, I think they should become like a travel agency for snowboard trips!!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Superorb^^...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:42:01 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 10:42am

Originally posted by Superorb

^^ It's not mafia-like, it's just business. When WM moved into small towns many smaller stores couldn't compete and closed down. It's Capitalism.

Not exactly, Walmart is a huge retailer. Smaller stores don't carry everything that Walmart has. Not apples to apples. Burton wants to be a successful online business for Burton products. Sierra is a successful online business for Burton products. Burton takes bats to Sierra's knees. Outcome: Burton becomes #1 online retailer for Burton products.

Anyways back to the thread topic...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by WingnutxWhat...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:34:59 +0000

Author: Wingnutx
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 10:34am

Originally posted by Wingnutx

What Bru said is correct "the average customer doesnt really care about who they buy from" all that matters is who is the cheapest. How did Sierra get so popular, they were the cheapest, as they were discounting their product lower than what other vendors were allowed to do. Honestly, that is why I came to this site in first place. I am an SS supporter but if I can buy it cheaper somewhere else, then that is where I am going to go.

Burton does not have the retail distribution channels nor do they want to build enough b&m stores to be the sole distributor of their product. But Burton does want to showcase their own goods in a limited number of their own specialty stores and get a piece of the internet sales pie. There is nothing wrong with that, it makes smart business sense. But at the same time Burton has to pay attention to local shops and they cannot alienate the local shops by allowing other internet retailers to undercut global pricing policies. If local shops cannot sell Burton products, then local shops will not buy said Burton products and if Burton loses those local shops then Burton will not be as profitable. It is all a very symbiotic relationship and Burton felt that SS was disrupting the snowboard ecosystem. Burton is in it for Burton first, just like SS is in it for SS first and both can claim they are in it for the little guy but first and foremost they are both in it for themselves first. (that was a lot of firsts)

On a side note Burton may very well be responsible for creating this whole mess several years ago by dumping a lot of their excess inventory on SS and allowing SS to deeply discount Burton product in order to move inventory.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ^^ It's not mafia-like, it's...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:30:37 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 10:30am

^^ It's not mafia-like, it's just business. When WM moved into small towns many smaller stores couldn't compete and closed down. It's Capitalism.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Wingnutx Last...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:25:08 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 10:25am

Originally posted by Wingnutx

Last I checked the "relative" price of a snowboard is pretty consistent whether it is a
Burton
Capita
Lib Tech
Never Summer
K2
Ride
YES

I thought Capita, Yes, and Never Summer seemed cheaper than Ride and Burton specifically? IMO, just a thought because I thought that's why smaller snowboard manufacturers sold well, because they were cheaper?

EDIT: Not only cheaper, but tried different tech to be unique (Magnetraction, TTT for Bataleon, etc.)

Buizza's thoughts make sense. Burton is moving into a new way of selling goods(online) and will take out it's major competitor. Sounds very mofia like.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : What Bru said is correct "the...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:20:11 +0000

Author: Wingnutx
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 10:20am

What Bru said is correct "the average customer doesnt really care about who they buy from" all that matters is who is the cheapest. How did Sierra get so popular, they were the cheapest, as they were discounting their product lower than what other vendors were allowed to do. Honestly, that is why I came to this site in first place. I am an SS supporter but if I can buy it cheaper somewhere else, then that is where I am going to go.

Burton does not have the retail distribution channels nor do they want to build enough b&m stores to be the sole distributor of their product. But Burton does want to showcase their own goods in a limited number of their own specialty stores and get a piece of the internet sales pie. There is nothing wrong with that, it makes smart business sense. But at the same time Burton has to pay attention to local shops and they cannot alienate the local shops by allowing other internet retailers to undercut global pricing policies. If local shops cannot sell Burton products, then local shops will not buy said Burton products and if Burton loses those local shops then Burton will not be as profitable. It is all a very symbiotic relationship and Burton felt that SS was disrupting the snowboard ecosystem. Burton is in it for Burton first, just like SS is in it for SS first and both can claim they are in it for the little guy but first and foremost they are both in it for themselves first. (that was a lot of firsts)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenseryou...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:10:19 +0000

Author: brilars
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 10:10am

its better for burton in the long run to have a ton of smaller healthy shops than it is to have one big shop where lots of those other local shops are suffering.

On a sidenote, I have to apologize for questioning your knowledge the other day. You clearly have a much more broad grasp of the industry then 98% of the people on here.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : If Burton really is trying to...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:00:15 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 10:00am

If Burton really is trying to build their online store, taking out Sierra is a strategic move for them. I hadn't connected the dots until I read what Bru said earlier.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : It has been no secret that Burton...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:47:58 +0000

Author: BRUIZZA
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 9:47am

It has been no secret that Burton has wanted to increase its share of online sales. They are obviously going to make the most money if you buy the board/gear directly from them. I realize there are roughly a bazillion online retailers that carry burton and offer free shipping. However my main thing is ippolite keeps stating that they are making these moves to help out brick and mortar stores. Spenser works at a brick and mortar store and has talked about his experience a million times this is his response to the new burton online store. Burton cares about Burton that is what people need to realize. Nothing wrong with wanting to make money that is the point of a business. However kidding yourself into thinking Burton is making these moves to help out anyone other than Burton is laughable to me.

its pretty lame if you ask me. they do all this bull about "support local snowboarding," and while they have done a couple things that are gonna make it better for "us," selling their gear on their own site for NO TAX and FREE SHIPPING before most shops even have the gear is ridiculous.

the average customer doesnt really care about who they buy from. so why would you pay full price + tax at your local shop later when they get the gear in, when you could buy it for NO tax and NO shipping right NOW from burton?

here is the link to the thread where you can find that response.

http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39592

Anyways I have tried to stay out of this thread and most others pertaining to this subject and I am going to go back to staying out of it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Bru's dead on with this....

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:46:33 +0000

Author: diviesti
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 9:46am

Bru's dead on with this. If Burton wanted to protect local shops it would in fact be very easy. They would not allow any vendors to sell Burton online period. No-one, not even Burton. Then the only way to get Burton is go to the local shop, then all of this competing with online stores never happens. A good example of this would be bicycles. Try to buy a new Specialized, Trek, or Felt bike online and tell me how far you get. Local bike shops are flourishing because of this.

Burton doesn't want to become some boutique brand, they just feel they make quality product and want a solid bottom line because of it. If they allowed Sierra to continue the huge sales, no shops would carry Burton any longer with the danger of being undercut by online stores. That leaves Burton with two options, get in a dick measuring contest with Sierra, or continually screw over brick and mortars until they no longer have any dealers. Clearly they choose the Sierra route, and can't blame them either.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : My only guess would be that the...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:38:36 +0000

Author: Wingnutx
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 9:38am

My only guess would be that the other companies you listed that carry Burton did not discount more than 40% and that they followed the amended vendor agreement as far as sales dates and discount amount.

It does appear that Burton is trying to tighten the reigns on their product and their retailers. Burton will never be the sole distributor of its product. Internet retailers are here to stay and Burton is just trying to protect their internet sales and in a secondary way protect the remainder of the retail distributors.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by BRUIZZAIppolite...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:30:33 +0000

Author: CO_champagne
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 9:30am

Originally posted by BRUIZZA

Ippolite you have a bazillion posts in this thread and most of them are well thought out and informative. However after reading a bunch of stuff you posted last night I see one huge glaring issue you keep failing to address and that is the new burton.com store that has every burton product in every size for sale with free shipping and no tax. Please explain to me how that helps the local retailers??? You have stated a ton of times in varying text/words

"Right now customers arent buying in local shops because its cheaper online, so local shops are cancelling contracts, and burton are losing money on this. So to fix it, burton instigated all these changes (as well as no longer flooding the market assuming they can simply sell it on to a massive buyer like sierra or thehouse, and also reducing their line drastically to cut out overlap on decks that clearly dont sell as well)."

Yeah burton gives a damn about those shops that is why they are selling everything on their site with no tax and free shipping. Burton and Sierra got into a dick measuring contest and Burton set out to prove they have the biggest dick in the industry. They are making an example of sierra plain and simple.

Burton realized that online sales are the way the industry is headed so they are now increasing the size of their online store while simultaneously attempting to put their biggest competitor for online sales out of business. Seems like damn near everyone in this thread wants to ignore that giant pink elephant in the room.

Very true statement. Burton would make the most money if 1) they were the only online retailer and 2) they sold to many small local shops as ippolite stated. However, the other elephant in the room is that there are a million online retailers that carry Burton snowboards. A simple google shopping search for burton snowboard brings up retailers like REI.com, Backcountry.com, Evo.com, BoardsForLess.com, The-House.com, and of course, SierraSnowboard.com. Most, if not every, website advertises FREE SHIPPING! on all these boards. I do not see Burton removing their agreements with all these companies, and don't tell me REI is not a big player in the outside sports world like SS is. Simply put, online shopping is here to stay. Burton got pissed and is now crushing one company. Many more will come.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Last I checked the "relative"...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:22:21 +0000

Author: Wingnutx
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 9:22am

Last I checked the "relative" price of a snowboard is pretty consistent whether it is a
Burton
Capita
Lib Tech
Never Summer
K2
Ride
YES

I have a hard time believing this is because of Burton's price fixing but it more has to do with product costs, r&d, overhead, etc.. all of the things necessary to run a profitable business. Burton does not determine the retail price of other brands.

Price control, which is not a crime, is what Burton (and all other snowboard brands) exercise. If Burton wants to charge a premium for their product that is their prerogative. That is not illegal and that is not price fixing. As a matter fact most retail products have some type of price control implemented by the supplier (ie Burton, Oakley). Look at Oakley sunglasses, go to any sunglass shop, snowboard shop, bike shop, etc. the price is EXACTLY the same at each retail outlet. This is not a coincidence but rather price control implemented by Oakley. I have no problem with this. It is up to me if I think their product is worth the cost. It is not price fixing, price fixing involves collusion with other manufactures to control the price industry wide. A company has the right to control the price of their product.

Burton obviously is the biggest player in the market and wields heavy influence in the direction the market will take. Burton is bad because they came up with channel system? What about Lib Tech's Magnatraction, are they evil too? Creating something unique is not wrong. The consumer will determine if they like it and if they are willing to pay for it

Just about every snowboard manufacturer has some sort of control on price, and I bet most are as strict as what Burton puts into their standard contract. Of course this is pure speculation on my part as I do not have any experience in running a snowboard shop and I am purely basing this on what others who are in the industry have said.

Athousandmonkeys needs to quit rolling his eyes and face palming, and then maybe he would see that he needs to adjust his argument somewhat. Although he is not totally off base, he is missing the big picture IMO. ippollite has been pretty spot on with most of his comments.

As far as the actual vendor agreement between Burton and SS, everything is wild arse speculation and I reserve the right to not speculate as there is already enough smelly hot air being pushed out on this thread in regards to that.

I would go into more detail but I have to get back to running my business as time is money

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Ippolite you have a bazillion...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:16:28 +0000

Author: BRUIZZA
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 9:16am

Ippolite you have a bazillion posts in this thread and most of them are well thought out and informative. However after reading a bunch of stuff you posted last night I see one huge glaring issue you keep failing to address and that is the new burton.com store that has every burton product in every size for sale with free shipping and no tax. Please explain to me how that helps the local retailers??? You have stated a ton of times in varying text/words

"Right now customers arent buying in local shops because its cheaper online, so local shops are cancelling contracts, and burton are losing money on this. So to fix it, burton instigated all these changes (as well as no longer flooding the market assuming they can simply sell it on to a massive buyer like sierra or thehouse, and also reducing their line drastically to cut out overlap on decks that clearly dont sell as well)."

Yeah burton gives a damn about those shops that is why they are selling everything on their site with no tax and free shipping. Burton and Sierra got into a dick measuring contest and Burton set out to prove they have the biggest dick in the industry. They are making an example of sierra plain and simple.

Burton realized that online sales are the way the industry is headed so they are now increasing the size of their online store while simultaneously attempting to put their biggest competitor for online sales out of business. Seems like damn near everyone in this thread wants to ignore that giant pink elephant in the room.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ShredbettyZoeIf...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:43:28 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 8:43am

Originally posted by ShredbettyZoe

If the name Sierra some how survives all this, I think they should become like a travel agency for snowboard trips!!!

+1...they already have their customer base! All they have to do is book a place and people sign up! Book a flight, pay some money, and bam...call it a great weekend...or longer.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Let's keep in mind that Sierra's...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:35:20 +0000

Author: killclimbz
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 8:35am

Let's keep in mind that Sierra's business model was not working. If the reasons behind the Burton lawsuit are true.

I do think the Sierra name will survive. Hopefully the new overlords will realize that the forum is a big part of it and keep it around. They would have to be complete arses to not see that. Otherwise, they'll spend a bunch of money on the domain and everyone will bail leaving them with nearly nothing.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : If the name Sierra some how survives...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:16:38 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 8:16am

If the name Sierra some how survives all this, I think they should become like a travel agency for snowboard trips!!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : it is about maximizing profit...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:46:28 +0000

Author: winze
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 7:46am

it is about maximizing profit and capitalizing on market share for Burton atm.

They don't care if it prices their boards at the high end, they know people will buy their stuff at this point and have market share.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : While I'm full on free market,...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:45:22 +0000

Author: zakk
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 7:45am

While I'm full on free market, where I thought Sierra nailed it was the mix of customer service and pricing.

The local shops around me are filled with assholes. Not jerks, not piss-ants, official shtooking assholes. I'd stop by the Sierra store in Sacramento to get gear, wax, whatever was needed and they are 100 miles from home.

If Sierra could have just kept the lion of this industry satiated, things might have hummed a long at a slightly higher price clip as opposed to the screwing that many now perceive as coming.

If a Burton board was only discounted to 30% but some other, smaller companies were 50% off and had great reviews from the company (which is what SS.com is about) it might get the casual folks to consider something other than the Nike of the snow industry. In the end, having many vibrant companies is healthier for everyone. From consumers on up.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Wow, seeing the Burton price addendum...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:45:11 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 7:45am

Wow, seeing the Burton price addendum is crazy. They MUST charge full MSRP until after the season has been going on. That would pretty much price their boards out of reach for many newer boarders. I could see the price of used boards going up to compensate too.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenserand...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:35:53 +0000

Author: richardvoyageur
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 7:35am

Originally posted by spenser

and jesus christ this just shows you how much people dont think a snowboard is worth. its not like $500 is a random price. its a technical piece of equipment. thats just how much it costs. there is a HUGE difference between "thats overpriced" and "thats too expensive for me." if you cant afford a $500 board, that doesnt mean its overpriced, it means its too expensive for you or you dont care to spend that much.

sales have totally downplayed the value of a snowboard. its ridiculous. hell no i dont want to pay $500 for a board. i dont want to pay $500 for anything. thats a good chunk of money for an average person. but thats just what it costs! are you going to complain about 15-20k for a car being expensive? not really, cause you know thats just how much they cost. snowboard gear is the same way, but people forget that because of the huge sales that have been common for years now.

To me, a service or commodity is worth what someone will PAY for it...not what a business thinks it SHOULD be worth. Consumers don't care about your problems or overhead. They do care about pricing, selection and customer service (where the local shops excel obviously).

Sierra snowboards (and Walmart, Costco, etc) drove the local guys nuts because it proved that consumers want pricing first, everything else second, especially in this economy. It is ludicrous to think that anyone but the more hardcore of the community is going to pay double the price to a local shop when they have an effective alternative.

Famous economics quotation: "Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it." This is fundamental to free market economy.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by koji3 Trucks...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:28:52 +0000

Author: zakk
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 7:28am

Originally posted by koji3

Trucks arnt owned by maccas. Company called Mac Key (or something a-rather) Totally different company but they only deliver to maccas. They can charge virtually anything and maccas would pay them. Just a FYI

interesting. I'll have to read up on this. My last case study on them was total vertical control. Thanks for the FYI

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by azn_dan Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 04:57:41 +0000

Author: killclimbz
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 4:57am

Originally posted by azn_dan

Originally posted by eldolocal68

speaking of price fixing...has anyone ever noticed that the price of avalanche transcievers hasn't ever come down, and with few exceptions, the tech is the same as it was 10yrs ago?

this probably falls into a special niche, just like ferrari's. Their prices aren't dropping anytime soon either. Not many people need it, but those who do are willing to pay the price.

I think you can say it's exactly a niche.

Beacons are basically have two way (for lack of a better description) parts. So you would think they are cheap, but there are a couple of important differences. Unlike radios which are always set to receive, beacons are always transmitting and only go to receive when you want it too. A rescue situation. So that slight difference in parts, tech, whatever, but it means that it's stuff that isn't made in as much of a bulk. So they are more expensive to get.

I know for a fact that even with the high beacon prices the retailer mark up is pathetic. Around or less than a 30 margin in most cases. The manufacturer, BCA, Pieps, who ever also suffers from this problem. The only reason that they make these is for the love of the backcountry and the critical piece of equipment that they are. If they did a normal mark up on their beacons you could tack another $100 on them.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by eldolocal68speaking...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 04:01:00 +0000

Author: azn_dan
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 4:01am

this probably falls into a special niche, just like ferrari's. Their prices aren't dropping anytime soon either. Not many people need it, but those who do are willing to pay the price.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by eldolocal68speaking...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:55:05 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 3:55am

Smaller scale production?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : speaking of price fixing...has...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:46:31 +0000

Author: eldolocal68
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 3:46am

speaking of price fixing...has anyone ever noticed that the price of avalanche transcievers hasn't ever come down, and with few exceptions, the tech is the same as it was 10yrs ago?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:27:49 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 2:27am

Originally posted by classic_ben

The size of the market is bigger. Therefore, the R&D spend is split across more boards.

ECONOMIES OF SCALE!

Exactly.

With regard to the assertion that "according to inflation rates, that being 44.17% since 1995, a board that cost $500 then SHOULD cost $1131.99 today", a $1131.99 board today is light years ahead of a $500 board 15 years ago - in fact, so is a $500 board today. That's a big part of this "price fixing" thing really - unlike televisions (which have seen a MAJOR increase in technology but a reduction in price), snowboard prices could have dropped a lot more than they have, but they haven't.

But it's not really about the MSRP anyway - it's about disallowing substantial discounting. Discounting is frowned upon because it gets consumers accustomed to paying lower prices - and as pricing is largely governed by what the customer is willing to pay rather than what the product is actually "worth", it's not a good thing for manufactuers/distributors.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys(simultaneously...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:19:54 +0000

Author: classic_ben
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 2:19am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

(simultaneously rolls eyes and face palms, AGAIN and AGAIN)

FFS - production/sales VOLUME.

This isn't a difficult concept...

The size of the market is bigger. Therefore, the R&D spend is split across more boards.

ECONOMIES OF SCALE!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : (simultaneously rolls eyes and...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:15:44 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 2:15am

(simultaneously rolls eyes and face palms, AGAIN and AGAIN)

FFS - production/sales VOLUME.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athou...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:47:50 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:47am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by pipecode

Hmmm, prices haven't changed in 15 years. According to inflation rates, that being 44.17% since 1995, a board that cost $500 then SHOULD cost $1131.99 today. But yet, the same board with more tech and research actually costs LESS today. Your logic makes no sense.

As YOU fail to take into account such vital aspects as production//sales volume, YOUR logic makes no sense. OF COURSE prices have dropped somewhat (relative to inflation) - just not as much as they potentially could have, and THAT'S the point.

Taking large flat screen televisions as an example - do you REALLY think that prices have dropped so drastically due to the magnanimous generosity of the manufacturers???

Wow, just wow. Inflation takes into account such things as production, and labor costs. Could you produce the same product AND increase the tech in it for 15 years AND drop the price? Try to buy a new Ford F-150 now (same truck with more tech) for the same price as 15 years ago. The dealer will just laugh at you. Also, I mention earlier that tech was excluded, since that's a whole different beast unto itself.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : So much reading in this thread....

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:38:46 +0000

Author: koji3
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:38am

So much reading in this thread. I love it haha.
Some get talk in here.

Originally posted by zakk

Originally posted by citac

i can understand if you live in america or canada and small businesses are going under because of Sierra but hey lets be honest, if your going to say Sierra is a bully in the market place with its discounting what is, McDonald's,Costco,Kmart,Target etc etc etc they also buy bulk and sell cheap and give local competitors no chance because business is business, the weak die while the strong survive(circle of life), i live in australia and going into some of these so called snow shops is a absoulute JOKE the mark up they have on snowboards,bindings,boots especially is crazy i wouldnt of even got into snowboarding this year if it was for Sierra providing a suitable price for gear on the other side of the planet.
i cant afford $1000 board $300 bindings $300 boots locally, when i can order from Sierra and get it all for $500 bucks including shipping, why should i be getting ripped off. POINT BEING LOOK HOW MUCH PROFIT IS IN THESE PRODUCTS AND RETAILERS STILL DONT DISCOUNT.

the fatal flaw in all these is McD's, Costco, Target, etc. do not advertise prices below thier MSRP agreements/price structure.

Sierra can sell their boards at whatever price they want, as they control the supply vertical (to take the McD's example) just like how a hamburger is smaller these days and the price is dropping. I'd wager the profit margin is the same. But McD's owns everything down from the farms to the trucks going to the stores.

The Sierra branded collaboration products could be sold for $0.99 cents and there is nothing anyone can do. Burton, Rome, etc. is another matter

Trucks arnt owned by maccas. Company called Mac Key (or something a-rather) Totally different company but they only deliver to maccas. They can charge virtually anything and maccas would pay them. Just a FYI

Originally posted by spenser

Originally posted by citac

POINT BEING LOOK HOW MUCH PROFIT IS IN THESE PRODUCTS AND RETAILERS STILL DONT DISCOUNT.

you have no idea what youre talking about. "local shops" really dont make that much on hardgoods. hell, the only reason i even carry skateboard hardgoods is because we are a skateshop and thats just what you do. we dont carry it to make money, cause it hardly makes anything.

same with snowboards. sure you might make like 150 on a $500 board at full price all things considered, but unless youre a huge shop with a great market, youre not selling that all day.

if you think shops make a lot of profit on this stuff, you obviously dont know what its like to have all that overhead, shipping, and other bills, and how it is to have most customers not wanting to pay the normal price. so much of a shops inventory is only sold when its on sale at which point you basically break even depending on the discount.

as i said before, shoes and hats are where the money is at. maybe clothing too. hardgoods are kind of just for show.. you have to carry it cause youre a boardshop, not because its profitable. hell, if all i sold was hats and shoes, i could make WAY more money than selling snowboard gear, even though shoes and hats are way cheaper.

+labor, most expensive crap out there. unless you own the business and your the only one working..

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:18:06 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:18am

Taking large flat screen televisions as an example - do you REALLY think that prices have dropped so drastically due to the magnanimous generosity of the manufacturers???

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : "Price fixingis an agreement...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:12:51 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:12am

"Price fixing is an agreement between participants on the same side in a market to buy or sell a product, service, or commodity only at a fixed price, or maintain the market conditions such that the price is maintained at a given level by controlling supply and demand. The group of market makers involved in price fixing is sometimes referred to as cartel".

Burton has in place a stipulation in their supply contracts with COMPETING BUSINESSES (ie. retailers) to ensure they do this. Understand now???

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:06:36 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:06am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by pipecode

Wow, you missed the point on that one. I wasn't talking about exchange rates, since those are always changing. I was talking about the fact that board prices haven't changed in 15 years. No other industry (outside of tech) can claim the same. Can you buy a car with more tech and research for the same price? The fact is that if you were to include inflation, the cost (meaning the relative cost to the individual) has gone down since people make more money due to inflation.

Nope, it's YOU who's "missed the point". Even though exchange rates "are always changing", Burton ensures that the price of its imported product DOES NOT.

And YES (simultaneously rolls eyes and face palms, again) - YOU CAN "buy a car with more tech and research for the same price" as 15 years ago.

Hmmm, price does not change over 15 years. You do realize that they are in the US, right? And that they don't base prices on foreign currency? Hmmm, prices haven't changed in 15 years. According to inflation rates, that being 44.17% since 1995, a board that cost $500 then SHOULD cost $1131.99 today. But yet, the same board with more tech and research actually costs LESS today. Your logic makes no sense.

Edit: BTW, here is the site I used if you want to dispute that: http://www.inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflation_Calculators/Inflation_Rate_Calculator.asp

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecode Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:06:22 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:06am

Originally posted by pipecode

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by ippollite

Price fixing is the control of supply and demand to create an artificial pricing environment. It applies INDUSTRY WIDE.

YES (simultaneously rolls eyes and face palms) - BURTON'S price fixing "applies INDUSTRY WIDE".

What about the other manufacturers within the INDUSTRY? Do they not count?

I've already covered that.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecodeQuestion....

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:05:20 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:05am

Originally posted by pipecode

Question. Do you really think that Burton would sell / ship goods to Sierra without a legally enforceable contract? Do you really think that after all the years they have been in business that they would actually do business without a contract? And that a simple Sharpie marker would outdo everything they have done in the past? And that the lawyers would simply turn a blind eye?

Question. Do you really think that Burton would NOT also be suing for breach of contract if such a "legally enforceable contract" actually exists??? Do you really think that Burton's lawyers would simply turn a blind eye???

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : YES (simultaneously rolls eyes...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:03:46 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 1:03am

YES (simultaneously rolls eyes and face palms) - BURTON'S price fixing "applies INDUSTRY WIDE".

Come on man, ive stayed pretty civil because i find the discussion interesting. Alas its home time for me now, but really, i think you need to pay attention to what pipecode just said above me since he clearly knwos what 'industry wide' price fixing refers to. It doesnt refer to a company fixing its price industry wide, but a conglomerate (which in turn becomes a defacto monopoly) fixing the price of a commodity industry wide.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecodeWow,...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:59:25 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:59am

Nope, it's YOU who's "missed the point". Even though exchange rates "are always changing", Burton ensures that the price of its imported product DOES NOT.

And YES (simultaneously rolls eyes and face palms, again) - YOU CAN "buy a car with more tech and research for the same price" as 15 years ago.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:55:13 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:55am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by ippollite

Price fixing is the control of supply and demand to create an artificial pricing environment. It applies INDUSTRY WIDE.

YES (simultaneously rolls eyes and face palms) - BURTON'S price fixing "applies INDUSTRY WIDE".

What about the other manufacturers within the INDUSTRY? Do they not count?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : im not sure why youd ask that...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:54:47 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:54am

im not sure why youd ask that question when in the same post you initially quoted i also said:

What we dont know is whether they signed an agreement to it. They took stock in july and (obviously) after, but you'll have to assume that in order to do so there was a great deal of gray area being played with. Burton probably assumed they had their cooperation, and sierra obviously read into the deal (smashed out at the time) that they werent going to be held to account for something after the initial contract was signed. Both sides possibly came away with belief that theyd got what they wanted, and so both sides operated according to their interpretation :) Burton expected sierra to follow the new agreement, and sierra expected burton to follow the old agreement (ETA: actually hang on, was the infamous sharpieing not the initial contract signed before the new price restrictions came in through the addendum in april 2009?)

Likely we will find out such things as whether or not the sharpieing of the 'bits [sierra] didnt agree with" was agreed or tacitly consented too by burton. These things though are part of the propoganda war more than anything since they arent actually in the original complaint (though i believe they heavily inform the complaint - i have a feeling that what youre seeing isnt a default on payment, but rather a witholding of payments possibly related to the new rules being enforced by burton after the fact of sierra placing the order).

Of course, wild speculation because none of us are privy to these events and likely wont be until long after the dust settles and this mysterious sharpied agreement makes its rounds on the internet for us all to dissect :)

Thats er, every other word after the words "yes we do" by the way.

In summary it says "we dont know crap and cant know crap unless by a miracle someone produces this contract with a signature". But what we can conjecture is that there was likely a grey area since burton were still supplying sierra with decks, and burton cancelled the agreement with sierra straight after the breach of the terms of that agreement.

Actually as we found out from the docs, they cancelled because of a lack of payment and invoking a clause in their contract that demanded full and immediate payment. So really, as said in the VERY FIRST response, this is still all ancillary to the actual issue of sierra versus burton. Theres actually nothing about this is Esq's reading of the docs because maybe (perhaps) burton and sierra didnt come to an agreement about those regulations.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:54:12 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:54am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by ippollite

Not all contracts are the same, and terms can be negotiated prior to signing - so unless you can PROVE that Sierra's contract with Burton still contained such a stipulation at the time of signing, at this stage we have to assume it DIDN'T.

1. Sierra acknowledged they were presented with this addendum ...

We all know the addendum exists, that's old news - the only relevant part is if Sierra were legally obliged to adhere to it.

Originally posted by ippollite

The lack of proof is precisely that. A lack of proof. It doesnt lean us one way or the other so the best course is then to obviously assume nothing, surely?

So you agree that people should STOP ASSUMING Sierra was legally obliged to adhere to the standard unaltered contract? In the eyes of the law, unless a signed contract is produced, for all intents and purposes it doesn't exist.

Question. Do you really think that Burton would sell / ship goods to Sierra without a legally enforceable contract? Do you really think that after all the years they have been in business that they would actually do business without a contract? And that a simple Sharpie marker would outdo everything they have done in the past? And that the lawyers would simply turn a blind eye?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ippollitePrice...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:52:13 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:52am

Originally posted by ippollite

Price fixing is the control of supply and demand to create an artificial pricing environment. It applies INDUSTRY WIDE.

YES (simultaneously rolls eyes and face palms) - BURTON'S price fixing "applies INDUSTRY WIDE".

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:50:02 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:50am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by pipecode

I hope you're talking about price fixing meaning that board prices haven't changed in 15 years. In that case, yes, the price has been fixed for a long time

Yes, that's right.

Look at the case of Burton board sales in Australia - at a current AUS/USA exchange rate of around 91 cents to the US Dollar, imported Burton boards cost virtually the same as they did when the exchange rate was around 49 cents to the US Dollar (and yes, it's been that way since I started snowboarding in 1994). Instead of prices dropping, Burton's profits have risen. THAT'S why Burton are so vicious in enforcing their ban on international online sales.

Wow, you missed the point on that one. I wasn't talking about exchange rates, since those are always changing. I was talking about the fact that board prices haven't changed in 15 years. No other industry (outside of tech) can claim the same. Can you buy a car with more tech and research for the same price? The fact is that if you were to include inflation, the cost (meaning the relative cost to the individual) has gone down since people make more money due to inflation.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ippollite Not...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:48:44 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:48am

Originally posted by ippollite

1. Sierra acknowledged they were presented with this addendum ...

We all know the addendum exists, that's old news - the only relevant part is if Sierra were legally obliged to adhere to it.

Originally posted by ippollite

The lack of proof is precisely that. A lack of proof. It doesnt lean us one way or the other so the best course is then to obviously assume nothing, surely?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Not at all, it's the standard...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:46:14 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:46am

Not at all, it's the standard definition - and it's purely in reference to the pricing of BURTON products within the marketplace. It's probably important to note that as the industry leader, Burton sets the pricing benchmark that others then follow.

Yes, they follow by undercutting burton and pointing out their deck which has all the same tech as the malolo but is 150 bucks cheaper. If it was price fixed there would be no competition. Theyd be the same price and would lock up the chain of supply so that you cant find an alternative.

Price fixing is the control of supply and demand to create an artificial pricing environment. It applies INDUSTRY WIDE. Its not related to how 1 company dictates at the price it thinks its product should be sold. Its like complaining about the price of a method being fixed because you dont want to pay $1500 dollars for it.

Ironically, when you point out the are the industry leader and everyone follows them, youre showing exactly why they can set their ticket where they want, because theres DEMAND for it and retailers make cash off that demand. If there is demand and companies think that demand will get people in their store, then they will pay for it. If they think thats valued too high, they wont and buy something else. Its you, the consumer, who is setting the price of that custom by deciding if you want to pay $500 for it, or waiting till it drops to $250. And if it never drops, you can buy something else. No one on this planet owes you a custom.

Hell, i could start a snowboarding business and set my prices at $10,000 per board purely to make people not buy them. Or i could just one day say, screw you guys, i aint making crap No one owes you jack. Its my business, i can set the price how i like. And if you want to buy the deck from me to sell in your store (aside from being of questionable sanity), i can make you sign any old agreement i like telling you that it cant be discounted below x or im not selling you it. Its a simple contract, no ones putting a gun to your head to sign it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecodeI...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:38:50 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:38am

Originally posted by pipecode

I hope you're talking about price fixing meaning that board prices haven't changed in 15 years. In that case, yes, the price has been fixed for a long time

Yes, that's right.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecodeYou're...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:26:17 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:26am

Originally posted by pipecode

You're making the assumption that everyone has to ride the latest and greatest new gear out there. Back in the early 90's I had to save up to buy a board and rode it for several years. After that I learned that there is nothing wrong with buying used gear, since it still allowed me to ride. The main argument people use is that it's too expensive to ride, but you can buy used or older gear at a fraction of the price. You don't have to buy new gear just to ride, that's what is truly a "luxury item".

Nope, it's all relative. This year especially, the price of second-hand gear has DROPPED DRASTICALLY due to the abundance of lower priced new gear - and once again that has enabled more people to take up the sport.

Besides, new products and technology drive the stoke for the industry. The ski industry was sinking rapidly in the nineties until they injected new enthusiasm into the sport through the adaption of snowboard technology, and then snowboard fashion. People like to play with toys - preferably new toys.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Not all contracts are the same,...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:23:34 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:23am

1. Sierra acknowledged they were presented with this addendum
2. This addendum was given to ALL of burtons clients.

Dont take my word on 1 and 2 though, take whover posted officially on behalf of sierra in that thread:

Also, noone is outside of this agreement. It is across the board, no matter the year. It's also not about us losing our agreement, it's about Burton's greedyness to keep their profit margin higher and to eliminate those who are discounting their product and not caring about the profit margin, but about stoking people out on riding.

As copied from*
Addendum to THE BURTON CORPORATION Authorized Dealer Agreement
(United States)
THIS ADDENDUM (the “Addendum”) is entered into as of April 21, 2009 by and between
THE BURTON CORPORATION and its wholly owned brands, located at 80 Industrial
Parkway, Burlington, Vermont 05401 (“BURTON”) and Sierra Snowboards, 920 Hillview
Court. Suite160 Milpitas, Ca. 95035 (“Dealer”).

b. Promotional Pricing. Promotional pricing and advertising of
Products by Dealer shall be limited according to the following schedules:

2010 Fall/Winter Product
Dates: Maximum Discount:4
Prior to 2/12/10 0%
2/12/10 - 3/1/10 20%
3/2/10 - 4/1/10 40%

Sierra have said in their own words, that noone is outside of the agreement and even produced an addendum to their original agreement which sierra either signed or it didnt.
3. I answered the dudes question. There was a section, and it was not unspoken. The contract exists, sierra were aware of its existence. I also stated however that we wont know if it was signed or not until someone produces it. We arent disagreeing on this point.
4. Though why you think the lack of burton producing the body so to speak means we have to 'assume it wasnt signed' is beyond me. Neither burton nor sierra have made statements since the court action began. Burton have never commented on the sierra issue, even when pressed from sympathisers like angrysnowboarder. The lack of proof is precisely that. A lack of proof. It doesnt lean us one way or the other so the best course is then to obviously assume nothing, surely?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:21:25 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:21am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by ippollite

youre using a wild definition of price fixing...

I hope you're talking about price fixing meaning that board prices haven't changed in 15 years. In that case, yes, the price has been fixed for a long time. Otherwise, you're talking out of your ass.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ippolliteyoure...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:19:09 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:19am

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ippolliteyoure...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:16:20 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:16am

Originally posted by ippollite

youre using a wild definition of price fixing...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by athousandmonkeys Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:15:01 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:15am

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

Originally posted by spenser

... same with snowboards. sure you might make like 150 on a $500 board at full price all things considered, but unless youre a huge shop with a great market, youre not selling that all day.

... as i said before, shoes and hats are where the money is at. maybe clothing too. hardgoods are kind of just for show.. you have to carry it cause youre a boardshop, not because its profitable. hell, if all i sold was hats and shoes, i could make WAY more money than selling snowboard gear, even though shoes and hats are way cheaper.

... And there you have it.

Stores like Sierra get the ball rolling, by enabling people who otherwise couldn't afford to get into the sport to buy the neccessary equipment, and smaller local stores provide a place to physically congregate and perpetuate the stoke while they stock up on cheaper items like hats, clothing and shoes - and everyone's happy. :)

You're making the assumption that everyone has to ride the latest and greatest new gear out there. Back in the early 90's I had to save up to buy a board and rode it for several years. After that I learned that there is nothing wrong with buying used gear, since it still allowed me to ride. The main argument people use is that it's too expensive to ride, but you can buy used or older gear at a fraction of the price. You don't have to buy new gear just to ride, that's what is truly a "luxury item".

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : youre using a wild definition...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:03:17 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:03am

youre using a wild definition of price fixing. As i said, if they were a monopoly and the only place in the world you could get them then youd be talking about price 'fixing'. Fixing is when all the manufacturers in the industry get together and agree to keep prices artificially high. As i said, you can go out and buy a completely different deck from a completely different company at about $150 cheaper. If burton want to fix their prices to the timetable of how they want you to sell it, then thats thir busniess as a private company. You can choose whether you want to get into bed with them or not as a retailer at the end of the day. And as you saw, the whole shenanigans arrive quite simply due to local shops realising it wasnt a deal they were prepared to agree to anymore. No one put a gun to their head, the market did not force them to accept inflated prices, nor did it force burton to change their practice. It was simply in their interests to find another route.

And so they both did exactly that. Burton attempted to bring back its business by offering them a regulated timetable of sales coupled to a releasing of former restrictions (such as percentage of shop floor space taken up by burton product and compulsory purchases). Retailers then moved either decided that was enough (and if spenser is to be believed), and they were much happier to order stock.

Price fixing is when all the major snowboard companies make a back door agreement to not sell their powder boards (lets say) below $500 regardless of how much it costs. Its not when burton decide how much they want their product to be sold for. They are acting completely independently and fixing their own prices in the market to a level they deem appropriate. And you the consumer have the option of taking your cash and putting it down on a 158 charlie slasher for $399 instead (with sintered base, rocker, and a 20mm taper for all your powder needs). And next year if they fixed their price too high, or the agreements were too rigid, then theyll have once again a bunch of stores cancelling their orders for 2012 gear and forcing them to think once again on their policies. No price fixing happening anywhere.

What youre really seeing is common language (burton are fixing the prices their retailers are allowed to sell their boards at) for a legal term "Price fixing" (which is where the industry works collectively instead of competitively to fix the price, industry wide, of a product or products).

Ultimately, if you want to carry burton, you agree to their terms. If you dont agree to their terms, then carry something else (which also probably has those terms too anyway).

Its a bit trite, but if you honestly think snowboards are too expensive and people are exploiting you, then set up your own business and show them how to make a profit without ripping off the customer. See if you can beat $399 for a slasher and all that tech and years of snowboard making experience.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ippollite Originally...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:01:16 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/10/2010 at 12:01am

Originally posted by ippollite

Originally posted by Superorb

So do we know yet if there was a section in the vendor contract that dealt with the price at which Sierra was allowed to sell the items, or was it just a "good faith" unspoken type of thing?

yes, we do...

Clearly at this stage your "yes, we do" assertion can only refer to the possibility of a "'good faith' unspoken type of thing", as nobody (most noticeably Burton) seems to be able to produce a signed contract.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by pipecode Originally...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 23:55:05 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 11:55pm

Originally posted by pipecode

ippollite beat me to it, but yes, it's actually standard within the Burton contract with dealers.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenser...same...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 23:50:47 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 11:50pm

... And there you have it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by ippollite......

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 23:42:15 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 11:42pm

Originally posted by ippollite

... its pretty obvious why price fixing keeps the industry healthy ...

... It's pretty obvious that price fixing is only "healthy" for people like Jake Burton - because it's anything BUT "healthy" for the consumer.

When some major corporations engage in price fixing, the perpetrators get investigated by the FBI and cop major fines and even jail time (there's even a movie starring Matt Damon about the subject) - but somehow some of you actually think it's acceptable for huge multinational companies like Burton?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by SuperorbSo...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:29:20 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 10:29pm

ippollite beat me to it, but yes, it's actually standard within the Burton contract with dealers. They have a schedule of when and how much new gear can be discounted. And Burton isn't the only manufacturer that does this in their contracts.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by SuperorbSo...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:23:35 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 10:23pm

yes, we do. Even under sierras own interpretation of events the addendum was added. What we dont know is whether they signed an agreement to it. They took stock in july and (obviously) after, but you'll have to assume that in order to do so there was a great deal of gray area being played with. Burton probably assumed they had their cooperation, and sierra obviously read into the deal (smashed out at the time) that they werent going to be held to account for something after the initial contract was signed. Both sides possibly came away with belief that theyd got what they wanted, and so both sides operated according to their interpretation :) Burton expected sierra to follow the new agreement, and sierra expected burton to follow the old agreement (ETA: actually hang on, was the infamous sharpieing not the initial contract signed before the new price restrictions came in through the addendum in april 2009?)

Likely we will find out such things as whether or not the sharpieing of the 'bits [sierra] didnt agree with" was agreed or tacitly consented too by burton. These things though are part of the propoganda war more than anything since they arent actually in the original complaint (though i believe they heavily inform the complaint - i have a feeling that what youre seeing isnt a default on payment, but rather a witholding of payments possibly related to the new rules being enforced by burton after the fact of sierra placing the order).

Of course, wild speculation because none of us are privy to these events and likely wont be until long after the dust settles and this mysterious sharpied agreement makes its rounds on the internet for us all to dissect :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : So do we know yet if there was...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:12:02 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 10:12pm

So do we know yet if there was a section in the vendor contract that dealt with the price at which Sierra was allowed to sell the items, or was it just a "good faith" unspoken type of thing?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by spenser ......

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:05:02 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 10:05pm

Originally posted by spenser

... people have all that stuff left over because burton pushed too much (their fault) AND because sierra did such huge discounts that a lot of shops couldnt compete.

That pretty much nails it.

Burton got GREEDY by saturating the market with far too much product, and the only way Sierra could move their stock was to heavily discount it. Burton created the problem, NOT Sierra - they just did what they had to do under the circumstances. It's NOT Sierra's fault that they were able to successfully sell stock when others weren't - they're not a charity, and have just as much right to make a profit as anyone else.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by balibesnier Originally...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:09:43 +0000

Author: zakk
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 9:09pm

Originally posted by balibesnier

Originally posted by zakk

Originally posted by balibesnier

Capitalism is responsible for that.

The market is responsible for that. R&D, pro teams, advertising, etc. etc. etc. isn't free.

Free market IS capitalism

yes. and?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by zakk Originally...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:46:55 +0000

Author: balibesnier
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:46pm

Originally posted by zakk

Originally posted by balibesnier

Capitalism is responsible for that.

The market is responsible for that. R&D, pro teams, advertising, etc. etc. etc. isn't free.

Free market IS capitalism

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by balibesnierCapitalism...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:44:42 +0000

Author: zakk
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:44pm

Originally posted by balibesnier

Capitalism is responsible for that.

The market is responsible for that. R&D, pro teams, advertising, etc. etc. etc. isn't free.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : snowboarding and retail was so...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:44:00 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:44pm

snowboarding and retail was so much better before the internet. not even referring to pricing, but everyone thinks they know how it works and they get butthurt as soon as they find out how much a store is paying for what theyre selling you, but they dont consider overhead and every other bill.

if you think its unfair that a shop makes money on what they sell, first of all... really? youre surprised that a store makes money when you buy something? where have you been? and second, go look at EVERY OTHER BUSINESS ANYWHERE and they are doing the same thing. its just how it works! besides, specialty shops like "local snowboard shops" dont make crap in comparison to a place you probably spend more of your money.. the grocery store, department stores, etc. you buy a hoodie at walmart for 80% off and theyre not losing money. you buy it for 80% off at a skateshop and they might as well have just given you the hoodie for free.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by zakk Originally...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:43:54 +0000

Author: balibesnier
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:43pm

Originally posted by zakk

Originally posted by balibesnier

Originally posted by zakk

Originally posted by balibesnier

the problem is, if everyone plays by the rules, equipment will be really overpriced, and then the losers will be the customers all around the world just to protect burtons huge profit and some local shops

Really? how so? who is making you buy Burton? Everyone that is crying needs to remember the #1 rule of capitalism: the public votes with its dollars

You clearly have never visited a retail shop anywhere other than USA. Im from Chile and every shop you go 9 out of 10 products are BURTON and the 1 that is not its the same price or more expensive. Burton is the only brand that sells huge quantities retailers here can buy and make profits, if they buy small quantities from other brands they would lose money. So you dont really have an option. Plus such things as off season 30% 40% disccounts do not exist here.

Socialism has many ills, expensive snowboards is only one of them.

Capitalism is responsible for that.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by balibesnier Originally...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:40:42 +0000

Author: zakk
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:40pm

Originally posted by balibesnier

Originally posted by zakk

Really? how so? who is making you buy Burton? Everyone that is crying needs to remember the #1 rule of capitalism: the public votes with its dollars

Socialism has many ills, expensive snowboards is only one of them.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by zakk Originally...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:34:41 +0000

Author: balibesnier
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:34pm

Originally posted by zakk

Really? how so? who is making you buy Burton? Everyone that is crying needs to remember the #1 rule of capitalism: the public votes with its dollars

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : its very simple. If people think...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:27:39 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:27pm

its very simple. If people think the margin they make on a burton isnt enough, thell stop stocking them. If burton find theyre not getting stocked, theyll change the price or restrict the stock to increase demand i assume. Let the market speak. Right now customers arent buying in local shops because its cheaper online, so local shops are cancelling contracts, and burton are losing money on this. So to fix it, burton instigated all these changes (as well as no longer flooding the market assuming they can simply sell it on to a massive buyer like sierra or thehouse, and also reducing their line drastically to cut out overlap on decks that clearly dont sell as well).

Ill keep saying it, its beautiful beautiful capitalism at work and at the base of it is you and me deciding what deck we want and how much we're going to pay for it.

I mean, if burton were the only snowboard manufacturer out there you might have a point, but if you dont like burtons prices, you can just buy a capita (malolo versus 2011 charlie slasher? HAR!).

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by balibesnierthe...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:26:09 +0000

Author: zakk
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:26pm

Really? how so? who is making you buy Burton? Everyone that is crying needs to remember the #1 rule of capitalism: the public votes with its dollars

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : and jesus christ this just shows...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:26:08 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:26pm

and jesus christ this just shows you how much people dont think a snowboard is worth. its not like $500 is a random price. its a technical piece of equipment. thats just how much it costs. there is a HUGE difference between "thats overpriced" and "thats too expensive for me." if you cant afford a $500 board, that doesnt mean its overpriced, it means its too expensive for you or you dont care to spend that much.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by citacPOINT...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:21:57 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:21pm

Originally posted by citac

POINT BEING LOOK HOW MUCH PROFIT IS IN THESE PRODUCTS AND RETAILERS STILL DONT DISCOUNT.

same with snowboards. sure you might make like 150 on a $500 board at full price all things considered, but unless youre a huge shop with a great market, youre not selling that all day.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : the problem is, if everyone plays...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:21:37 +0000

Author: balibesnier
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:21pm

the problem is, if everyone plays by the rules, equipment will be really overpriced, and then the losers will be the customers all around the world just to protect burtons huge profit and some local shops

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by SuperorbThere's...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:19:42 +0000

Author: zakk
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:19pm

Originally posted by Superorb

There's also no way to know what vendor agreements Target, Walmart, Kmart, etc have compared to the agreements of the smaller stores. The smaller stores may be contractually allowed to sell the items for the same price as the big stores and they chose not to.

my family has owned a number of small "local" businesses, and I can tell you that based solely on volume, we could never come close to what Fry's, Best Buy, BevMo, etc. would sell the same exact item at and be profitable.

In California, you can break MSRP with some items, but it cannot be advertised. Such "loss leaders" are a way to get you into the big box store and hopefully get a few other items at a higher margin. Small shops simply cannot do this.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i can understand if you live...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:18:41 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:18pm

i can understand if you live in america or canada and small businesses are going under because of Sierra but hey lets be honest, if your going to say Sierra is a bully in the market place with its discounting what is, McDonald's,Costco,Kmart,Target etc etc etc they also buy bulk and sell cheap and give local competitors no chance because business is business, the weak die while the strong survive(circle of life), i live in australia and going into some of these so called snow shops is a absoulute JOKE the mark up they have on snowboards,bindings,boots especially is crazy i wouldnt of even got into snowboarding this year if it was for Sierra providing a suitable price for gear on the other side of the planet.
i cant afford $1000 board $300 bindings $300 boots locally, when i can order from Sierra and get it all for $500 bucks including shipping, why should i be getting ripped off. POINT BEING LOOK HOW MUCH PROFIT IS IN THESE PRODUCTS AND RETAILERS STILL DONT DISCOUNT.

You have to remember, it was pure capitalism that led to burton doing what they did. They were getting SPANKED from their local shops. They arent just keeping them in business because of some quaint nostalgia for the good old days or because they're doing them a favour. Its because their survival and their business makes burton more money at the end of the day than a few massive warehouse operations.
It also allows burton to control their distribution price and model than if there were only a few e-tailers collectively forcing down their price per deck (and passing the costs on to us customers with short cuts and shoddy product no doubt).

Its all pure material greed from burton offsetting the pure material greed from warehouse e-tailers getting (whilst burton are also getting shafted from the collective bargaining from individual local shops (who arent collectivising deliberately but rather accidentally through deed and intention to not renew their accounts because its crippling their business)).

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by citaci...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:15:03 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:15pm

Unfortunately for a lot of Int'l shops, there is HUGE overhead involved for them to run their business and stay in the black. They've got to pay those huge importation fees, plus I'm sure there are even more taxes for them since they're importing them to resell. Then they have the usual costs associated with operating a business. Hell, there's nothing stopping them from buying a ton of gear from Sierra (with the free shipping mind you) and then reselling those items in their own store.

There's also no way to know what vendor agreements Target, Walmart, Kmart, etc have compared to the agreements of the smaller stores. The smaller stores may be contractually allowed to sell the items for the same price as the big stores and they chose not to.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by citaci...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:12:56 +0000

Author: zakk
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:12pm

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : haha, you will have everyone descending...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:12:29 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:12pm

haha, you will have everyone descending on this thread in no time to point out that 1. Its comparable in tech and price to other top range decks (neversummer, mervin, bataleon, rome, ride, even capitas bsod). And 2. It has lots of ranges and lots of prices :) Also, people who ride channel with EST seem to really really like it :)

I dont own a single burton item though, so damned if i know anything about them. they were always off my radar purely because of their international restrictions :) (which, somewhat hypocritically i fekkin LOATH by the way).

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ^^^ It's quitefascinatingthat...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:08:21 +0000

Author: CO_champagne
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:08pm

^^^ It's quite fascinating that I've learned more about business management reading Sierra forums than I did in college (I'm a lousy engineer). Keep the great posts coming so I don't need to worry about getting an MBA anymore!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : i can understand if you live in...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:07:37 +0000

Author: citac
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:07pm

i can understand if you live in america or canada and small businesses are going under because of Sierra but hey lets be honest, if your going to say Sierra is a bully in the market place with its discounting what is, McDonald's,Costco,Kmart,Target etc etc etc they also buy bulk and sell cheap and give local competitors no chance because business is business, the weak die while the strong survive(circle of life), i live in australia and going into some of these so called snow shops is a absoulute JOKE the mark up they have on snowboards,bindings,boots especially is crazy i wouldnt of even got into snowboarding this year if it was for Sierra providing a suitable price for gear on the other side of the planet.
i cant afford $1000 board $300 bindings $300 boots locally, when i can order from Sierra and get it all for $500 bucks including shipping, why should i be getting ripped off. POINT BEING LOOK HOW MUCH PROFIT IS IN THESE PRODUCTS AND RETAILERS STILL DONT DISCOUNT.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : oh well, no love for burton anwyays,...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:07:18 +0000

Author: keljai
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:07pm

oh well, no love for burton anwyays, its all over priced. making their own channel system for bindings, trying to be all fancy and stuff.. pufff. NOw to get academy

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Which of course has a great knock...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:05:30 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:05pm

Which of course has a great knock on effect for an e-tailer when it acts almost exactly like an omnipresent billboard saying to the customer "even if you dont know squat, burton is legit, everyone rides it, and everyone carries it. You wont go wrong with it":) You dont need to sheepishly declare your ignorance face to face in a local store, and you have a name you can cling to while researching it yourself (and find a company thats selling it likely cheaper than your local shops with the added bonus of free shipping) :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Much like Chairman MaO-Bama, Burton...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:02:12 +0000

Author: zakk
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:02pm

Much like Chairman MaO-Bama, Burton is looking to stop the bleeding and create a "new normal" that they can rebuild from.

Much like the easy money of 2001-2007 we'll never see again, 50% off in February is gone as well.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ^^ Not to mention 1,000 local...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:56:14 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 7:56pm

^^ Not to mention 1,000 local shops carrying Burton gear will perpetuate the brand name more than 1 huge online shop ever will (using your example of 1,000).

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : This is probably something all...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:36:07 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 7:36pm

This is probably something all of you should read as well, as it's what Burton has been trying to do:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing

Perhaps Burton naming one of their most popular "bindings" the "Cartel" wasn't just a coincidence?

NB. Not trying to patronise or anything, just trying to simplify it.

its pretty obvious why price fixing keeps the industry healthy:

Imagine theres a huge warehouse like online store. Now this store had 1000 competitors (we shall call them local shops). Now, imagine if you will that this big online store orders a straight 1000 times as much stock as its competitors. So the overall stock ordered is equivalent and in proportion.

Yet, the internet store pays less overheads per board (on shipping, wages, rent, taxes et al). AND gets a deep discount from bulk buying.

EVEN IF then, all things are equivalent and everyone follows the agreement on discount timings to the letter, the big store still gains more profit per deck than its individual competitors and continue to grow. But the local stores will still remian competitive and though their market share is smaller, theyll still be able to grow. Everyone gets a piece of the pie.

Now imagine that the big store decides to not play by the rules while everyone else does. They are all the same thing, so customers go with the price point for the most part, so they buy from the online store because its WAY cheaper.

Now next year, burton want to sell its new range to local shops, but theyre all pissed and asking what the hell theyre supposed to do about all this stock thats not moving and all this floating capital thats not there because of all thsi stock thats not moving. They tell burton to take a flying f***.

Burton now has 1 account and has lost the money from all its local accounts. Whats worse, that account can now push for even deeper discounts because its the only game in town.

Burton are now very sad. And stop making snowboards because its not making them rich anymore :'(

Its pretty much a race to the bottom and i doubt anyone who wants a job, or earns a living in the industry finds that a good thing.

Ultimately, its not to save local shops, but burtons bottom line by keeping its accounts that price regulation was brought in. It could and arguably should have been done with the new contract, im not privvy to it, but then sierra could have decided how much order to buy and how much risk they were willing to take on board of boards not moving under that model. But i guess Burton didnt really understand quite how strong crap had turned against them at the grassroots level until their reps went out there looking for accounts. They probably realised they had to do something or come 2011, theyd have lost a lot of their accounts (which per board makes them more money than sierra's massive order - should have really put that bit in up top as well... as its cheaper for seirra to buy them, in turn the sales to local shops are therefore more lucrative to burton even if they are equivalent numbers on a per deck basis). So they made a snap decision to change their agreement, and hence everything :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by hise442Burton...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:31:01 +0000

Author: pipecode
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 7:31pm

Originally posted by hise442

Burton dropping their sierra agrement will be the worst decision in their history other than closing their vermont factory and moving to china, their sales will plummet if you look at other sights like the house, proboardshop, dogfunk and a hand full of other on line shops they all have a tone of their burton stuff in stock now I am not just talking about last years stuff but boards and products from even 06-07 are still available for example the house has 07, 08, and 09 uninc's that are "ON SALE" but are still $370, they will never sell and obvousley never have for them along with a ton of other gear. i wish burton would look at the other guys that are not selling stuff compaird to their top seller being sierra snowboard. over all burton has been going down hill very fast since 2009, it feels like 09 was the last time burton actually cared about snowboarding and everything assoicated with it.

The house is more of a dumping ground for old equipment. They buy up excess inventory, that's why it's no surprise that they have boards from 07. Other places have a ton of Burton gear because Sierra's sale essentially flooded the market with cheap Burton gear, so it's no wonder other shops have a lot leftover.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : you missed it. people have all...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:30:02 +0000

Author: spenser
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 7:30pm

you missed it. people have all that stuff left over because burton pushed too much (their fault) AND because sierra did such huge discounts that a lot of shops couldnt compete. even at my little shop that no one has heard of, i had people coming in asking if we would match sierras 70% off and we just couldnt.

its better for burton in the long run to have a ton of smaller healthy shops than it is to have one big shop where lots of those other local shops are suffering.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Burton dropping their sierra agrement...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:24:39 +0000

Author: hise442
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 7:24pm

Burton dropping their sierra agrement will be the worst decision in their history other than closing their vermont factory and moving to china, their sales will plummet if you look at other sights like the house, proboardshop, dogfunk and a hand full of other on line shops they all have a tone of their burton stuff in stock now I am not just talking about last years stuff but boards and products from even 06-07 are still available for example the house has 07, 08, and 09 uninc's that are "ON SALE" but are still $370, they will never sell and obvousley never have for them along with a ton of other gear. i wish burton would look at the other guys that are not selling stuff compaird to their top seller being sierra snowboard. over all burton has been going down hill very fast since 2009, it feels like 09 was the last time burton actually cared about snowboarding and everything assoicated with it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : This is probably something all...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:05:58 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 7:05pm

This is probably something all of you should read as well, as it's what Burton has been trying to do:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing

Perhaps Burton naming one of their most popular "bindings" the "Cartel" wasn't just a coincidence?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Sierra can't go under, I...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:04:42 +0000

Author: Costell14
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 7:04pm

Sierra can't go under, I just found them...

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Its actually fun to go back to...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:47:34 +0000

Author: ippollite
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 6:47pm

Its actually fun to go back to the start because it gives sierra's interpretation of that issue probably in more detail than we've all seen since (and also the refutations and recriminations that came from it). :)

Say goodbye to burton discounts at sbforums

either way, it probably helps adding a little bit more context to what was in the article. Particularly sierras timetable of ordering (and begin paying for) burton (jan-july 2009), and burton altering the user agreement (april 2009) and giving it to sierra (late july 2009).

Of course none of this is really in burtons complaint so its purely ancillary to whats going on. Nevertheless it is nice to add a bit more to the pot :)

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I smell a liquidation coming!

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:33:58 +0000

Author: AnthonyN
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 6:33pm

I smell a liquidation coming!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Superorb Originally...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:26:00 +0000

Author: athousandmonkeys
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 6:26pm

Originally posted by Superorb

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

The pertinent fact here is that under the current circumstances, Burton should never insist on such a "rule" in the first place

Burton can put whatever terms they want into their sales agreements, whether they SHOULD is a different matter. Does it make Burton hypocritical for selling below their agreed price with vendors? Sure, but they can sell their own product for any price they deem fit.

Well, just as "Burton can put whatever terms they want into their sales agreements", if they never signed a legally binding sales agreement containing a clause relating to price fixing (and so far nobody seems to be able to prove that they did), Sierra can "sell their stock for any price they deem fit".

It looks pretty clear cut to me - Burton may have requested that Sierra not sell for less than 40%, but didn't have a legally binding contract to enforce it - so instead they used mafiaesque squeeze tactics to metaphorically bust Sierra's kneecaps.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : alright.. guess we all have to...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:34:01 +0000

Author: snow-monkey
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 2:34pm

alright.. guess we all have to wait..

i hope it all goes well for sierra!

best regards from germany!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by snow-monkeyso...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:09:51 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 2:09pm

Originally posted by snow-monkey

so u guys mean that probably after the 22.09 they wont ship anything anymore?

We have no idea, it all depends on what happens in the court hearing.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : so u guys mean that probably after...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:56 +0000

Author: snow-monkey
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 2:06pm

so u guys mean that probably after the 22.09 they wont ship anything anymore?

damnit that im going on vacation 12.09-21.09

what do u think.. is there a chance that ss can go on as they did till now?

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by VermontRiderThey...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:02:09 +0000

Author: CO_champagne
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 2:02pm

Originally posted by VermontRider

They are still shipping stuff. I ordered a board last Friday and it shipped on Tuesday.

I second that post. I ordered a board last Friday for $189. Delivered to my door Tuesday afternoon. Still great service even after a holiday weekend.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : They are still shipping stuff....

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:53:31 +0000

Author: VermontRider
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 1:53pm

They are still shipping stuff. I ordered a board last Friday and it shipped on Tuesday.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : +1 yep, best to buy stuff now...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:52:11 +0000

Author: RideTimeless
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 1:52pm

+1 yep, best to buy stuff now if it's in your budget. Worse case scenario is they give you your money back and don't send you stuff. So win-win for the most part.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ^^ It looks like they'll...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:48:28 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 1:48pm

^^ It looks like they'll be shipping things as usual until at least the 22nd of September. Others lately have ordered from Australia and gotten their stuff already.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : hey there,im probally the only...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:45:35 +0000

Author: snow-monkey
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 1:45pm

hey there,

im probally the only german guy in here :-)

im trying to follow this ss problem but i dont realy understand.

i wanna buy a lot from ss for other german friends etc. but will ss deliver me.. will ss stay and go on with selling sierra boards and some other brands?

or does it looks like sierra is going to fail and will shut down?

soory for that stupid question but i need it simple.. these letters from the court is very difficult for me to understand!

wish the best to sierra.. and that they can go on with reselling to great prices!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Thanks for the write-up, it does...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:00:28 +0000

Author: Kona
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 1:00pm

Thanks for the write-up, it does a good job explaining the details

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : ^^ I read that too. As far as...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:30:27 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 12:30pm

^^ I read that too. As far as the future of the forums is concerned, anyone paying 750k for it would intend to use it, otherwise I don't see why anyone would pay that much to just throw it away. I guess they could buy it if it was tacked onto the deal though. Mike owns the domain name, but the sneaky lawyers can argue anything in court.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by SuperorbThe...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:27:01 +0000

Author: Boneseh
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 12:27pm

Originally posted by Superorb

The forums aren't going anywhere, they're worth far too much to not be sold for a hefty profit.

Well if you read the write-up it states there is current debate over whether Mike or MAM owns the domain name and if I recall correctly there was a deal to sell the domain name for $750,000. The domain name would include the forum.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : going to get my buying in before...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:04:15 +0000

Author: surgyon
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 12:04pm

going to get my buying in before the 22nd I guess

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : wow, i didn't realize it...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:05:17 +0000

Author: carebear
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 11:05am

wow, i didn't realize it was that bad for them

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : I'm out of the loop when...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:51:30 +0000

Author: JandJBlks2k
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 10:51am

I'm out of the loop when it comes to this whole SS liquidation thing..but, hey what's this that I'm reading (angrysnowboarder), they said The-House trying to buy out SS?!! say it ain't so man!!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by CoMtnRider Originally...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:38:30 +0000

Author: taiguy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 10:38am

Originally posted by CoMtnRider

Originally posted by BFBF

All the denver talk is funny.

Denver/lodo is not ghetto..

matt is from Philly and I lived downtown chicago for 10 years---These 2 cities have neighborhoods that you haven't even seen in movies.

When I was in philly in college, it was the first time I had to go thru metal detectors to get in a club.

I had to go into some of the hoods in Chi for work where they steal cop cars with Ak-47's.

WORSE than ghettos.

Trust me, denver is a safe utopia compared to most big cities in the States.

Funny I don't remember ever comparing it to any other city than itself 8 years ago. Compared to the same area 8 year ago, yes it has gotten more ghetto and gangs are becoming a problem in that area. Are there other places much much worse, of course. Are there other countries that have it much much worse than the worst crime ridden city in the US? Of course, but bringing that up doesn't really have any relevance to the point I was making.

i skate, bike, and walk all over downtown denver and at night. not nearly as bad as a lot of the other big cities... simply because denver's not a "big city" .

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : The forums aren't going anywhere,...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:30:55 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 10:30am

The forums aren't going anywhere, they're worth far too much to not be sold for a hefty profit.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Awesome...I cant wait for my Reverse...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:06:14 +0000

Author: shwazy
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 10:06am

Awesome...I cant wait for my Reverse Crew's edges to fall off...not that I paid for it anyways.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : wow, what an extensive write up....

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:59:24 +0000

Author: ShredbettyZoe
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:59am

wow, what an extensive write up. Thanks to whomever wrote it.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Thanks for posting the write-up,...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:42:10 +0000

Author: Hominator1
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:42am

Thanks for posting the write-up, I'm not a fan of how things are shaping up but I guess that's part of the business world. Seems like the good guys always lose out. Good luck, SS!

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : That was a good writeup and it...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:36:06 +0000

Author: Boneseh
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:36am

That was a good writeup and it sure doesn't look good. I hope the forums will be saved at least.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : good read, thanks.

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:27:05 +0000

Author: kwongfeihong
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:27am

good read, thanks.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Superorb Originally...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:12:52 +0000

Author: brilars
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:12am

Originally posted by Superorb

Originally posted by athousandmonkeys

The pertinent fact here is that under the current circumstances, Burton should never insist on such a "rule" in the first place

Burton's terms are similar if not identical to nearly all brand's terms in the industry. I am not aware of them undercutting dealers, as well.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by Superorb Originally...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:06:33 +0000

Author: BudAshes
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:06am

Originally posted by Superorb

Originally posted by apathetic_one

Originally posted by Superorb

I always thought it was interesting how a city with some of the country's strictest gun laws has some of the highest crime rates (especially murders).

Seriously? If you're not deterred from crime by threat of going to jail for robbery/assault/murder, are you really worried about getting caught with a gun illegally?

I don't think you get the point. It's ironic that a city with huge anti-gun laws has such a high murder rate. As in, the gun bans are supposed to LOWER murder rates, but it has had the opposite effect since law abiding citizens can no longer defend themselves.

Here's the catch though, those strong gun bans were probably put in place because they had high murder rates.

also wrong thread.

Bankruptcy and Liquidation : Originally posted by apathetic_one Originally...

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:04:25 +0000

Author: Superorb
Subject: 39454
Posted: Sep/09/2010 at 8:04am

Originally posted by apathetic_one

Originally posted by Superorb

I always thought it was interesting how a city with some of the country's strictest gun laws has some of the highest crime rates (especially murders).

Seriously? If you're not deterred from crime by threat of going to jail for robbery/assault/murder, are you really worried about getting caught with a gun illegally?