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    Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 9:40am
I already posted this in the "Ask our Staff" area but I wanted to see what everyone else thinks:

I was wondering if you could recommend what kind of epoxy I should use for a topsheet repair. I have a chip about an inch long by an eighth of an inch wide along the edge of my board. I want to seal it up and I found this AquaMend Epoxy on the Home Depot site. It looks fine to use being that it's fiberglass-reinforced. What do you think? Thanks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 10:14am
that should work, but personally i would use the 2-part epoxies...the one in the syringes that you mix up(resin/hardener)...this "wet" type would probably adhere to the surface better than the "putty" type.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 10:18am
^^^^ yeah, that's what i use. works great.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 10:21am

i use the 2 part ones too.

that aquamend looks like those as-seen-on-tv's mighty putty
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 10:28am
Thanks for the replies. So I found the Loctite ones with the 2 part syringes but there are several to consider. (Quick set, Gel, or Plastic). Does it really make a difference?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 10:35am
err, i don't remember which one i got. i think i got it from wal-mart. the most important thing is that it's waterproof and works well with fiberglass parts and the like. other than that, you should be good. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 10:41am
Definitely get the two-part.     Also look for the marine type.  Do not get the 2, 5, 10 minute epoxies. They don't last in the long run. Try to get a 24 hr epoxy.
 
They usually come white in color. I did find some good 3M epoxy potting compound that was gloss black. Hard to find black. Used it on my CX. Seems to be holding well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 10:52am
^jup...biglar's on the money...don't get the "quick-set" type...the longer curing epoxy are supposed to be stronger/longer lasting...just go to your local home despot and in the glue aisle you'll see a plethora of epoxies...that's where i found some marine epoxy for boats etc...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 2:17pm
The most important thing about epoxy on a snowboard - you do NOT want the fast curing stuff. The 5 minute stuff is no good - as when it cures, it's too brittle.
You want the slow curing epoxy - as it's more flexible/durable.
 
Since your board flexes - having a brittle repair is obviously no good.
 
Before you do it - make sure you clean it out - and dry it really well. If you can put it somewhere relatively warm - or under a mild heat lamp or something while it's curing - so much the better - but it's not nessicary.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by biglar66

Definitely get the two-part.     Also look for the marine type.  Do not get the 2, 5, 10 minute epoxies. They don't last in the long run. Try to get a 24 hr epoxy.
 
They usually come white in color. I did find some good 3M epoxy potting compound that was gloss black. Hard to find black. Used it on my CX. Seems to be holding well.
 
here I thought I was being smart - and somebody beat me to the punch. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 6:19pm
I'm gonna have to say I've had bad experiences with epoxy.  If its anything like a fairly large topsheep delam, it just doesn't hold.  I don't know why.  Maybe its just too brittle and no good in tension, or maybe it doesn't cure well when burried deep between 2 layers, or maybe just a poor product.  Anyway, figured I'd go out on a limb today and try fixing up my old stick with some silicon.  It has a huge topsheet delam on the tip and like I said, epoxy just hasn't held in the past.  I cut off as much of the topsheet as I could and just sealed the remaining exposed core with silicon.  It looks pretty ghetto lol.  We'll see how it works this weekend when my gf tries to learn to snowboard with it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 8:04pm
So I found Super Glue's Anchor-Tite Waterproof Epoxy. I'm going to see if I can find this or a similar one tomorrow at Home Depot or True Value.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 8:40pm
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I'm gonna have to say I've had bad experiences with epoxy.  If its anything like a fairly large topsheep delam, it just doesn't hold.  I don't know why.  Maybe its just too brittle and no good in tension, or maybe it doesn't cure well when burried deep between 2 layers, or maybe just a poor product.  Anyway, figured I'd go out on a limb today and try fixing up my old stick with some silicon.  It has a huge topsheet delam on the tip and like I said, epoxy just hasn't held in the past.  I cut off as much of the topsheet as I could and just sealed the remaining exposed core with silicon.  It looks pretty ghetto lol.  We'll see how it works this weekend when my gf tries to learn to snowboard with it.
 
When you're trying to fix a delam - you need to do some things a bit more involved then just slappin some glue on it. It really needs to be cleaned, dried, epoxied, and pressed under heat for an extended period of time to really set up and get things right. If you're just sealing up a chip or something - it's not a big deal, but repairing delams are a bigger issue.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 8:41pm
Originally posted by EeZeEpEe

So I found Super Glue's Anchor-Tite Waterproof Epoxy. I'm going to see if I can find this or a similar one tomorrow at Home Depot or True Value.
 
Home depot has more types of epoxy then you can imagine. Chances are if you go in there and ask somebody - they can help you out.
 
Also - if you have a local shop that does repairs - go in there and ask 'em, they'll prolly be able to hook you up with whatever they use.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/20/2008 at 4:40am
Thanks sinix, I've asked around many times before and everybody's just like "use epoxy, period."  It doesn't matter much now, as its just an old board that gets kept around for some street riding.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/17/2012 at 6:02am
Okay i took my girlfriends skis home to wax and saw this. How can i fix this? I know there is base welding is there something similar i can do for the topsheet? I dont think it is under warrenty cause these are a 2009 model. Any help would be awesome



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/17/2012 at 12:36pm
I also have two little cracks in my topsheet running in two inches. the topsheet is still there but i feel like i could pull it off with my finger. Should i try and stick some epoxy under there ? Is it bad if I ride it like that?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/17/2012 at 12:45pm
If you can use something small to pry it up a bit while you put epoxy in there go for it.  Clamp it down while it cures.  Use marine grade.
No, it's not bad if you ride like that, but it seems when you don't take care of little things they can turn into bigger things.  Then the ride might start to suffer.
It'll take like two seconds, just fix it. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/17/2012 at 12:56pm
fix it as soon as you can. the moisture overtime can become a problem. the sooner you fix it the better. and definitely use a clamp to get a better seal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/17/2012 at 2:09pm
does anyone know a good place to get topsheet? I was looking at http://snowboardmaterials.com/pages/materials.htm but they offer enough to cover a board. I only need roughly 7inches by 4 inches
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/17/2012 at 2:30pm
I've never seen anyone actually replace top sheet material.  Once it's failed as a structural component it's pretty much irreplaceable.  It's really not that big of deal if it's just chips.  If it's major delamination, your going to want to try and bond the top sheet back to the board.

For the skis above^^^^ is the top sheet peeling up completely on those skis?  If so you need to separate the layers.  Clean the void.  Rough up the void if at all practical.  Then get some good two part epoxy and spread it in the void . 

Basically see this thread for some tips. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/17/2012 at 2:48pm
so the darker area is where topsheet still is. the lighter part there is none at all. I dont know what she did but the part that is missing is somewhere out on the mountain. It's not peeling at all seems to be a clean break. Like someone took a razor and just cut the piece out. i just dont know if i try to cut out some top sheet and epoxy and piece it onto the ski if that is a good idea or is she going to be skiing one day and just have the ski fall apart on her.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/17/2012 at 2:48pm
also she isnt doing anything nuts. just groomers so its not like a high level of performance is necessary just it would suck.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/18/2012 at 12:47pm
bump. since this is high traffic time does anyone know if this is unfixable topsheet damage

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/18/2012 at 1:00pm
There's a product called SOLAREZ you can buy at surf shops. It's a gel with fiberglass in it that cures in sunlight. You apply it indoors, take it outside and the UV from the sun cures and hardens the mixture. Sand, polish and you're good to go.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/18/2012 at 1:07pm
dude awesome that is great to know. i will check it out for sure and let people know how it works out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/18/2012 at 3:01pm
So if the top sheet is completely gone then I would just apply a thin layer of epoxy to the top of the skis just to seal everything up.  You could probably go to Vatozone and find some cheep sheets of fiberglass if you really wanted to take it that far but like I said it's not going to do anything structurally. 

If you get a sheet of fibber glass from Autozone it's going to be messy.  Soak the fiber sheet in epoxy then lay it on top sheet and try and make sure it get's good and pressed in there.  Epoxy any dry voids you see.  Cure it at elevated temp and then sand all the excess off.

I'd just seal it up with a thin layer of epoxy though. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/18/2012 at 3:09pm
I used epoxy to fix my bottomsheet on my board and it worked perfectly. I used some stuff i got from the local hardware store. Ive already ridden it a few times since then and its holding up perfectly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/18/2012 at 3:29pm
my epoxy just came off in about 2 runs so my board is split now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/18/2012 at 4:14pm
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my epoxy just came off in about 2 runs so my board is split now.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/20/2012 at 7:03am
I have a small raised chip on the tail of my board that i need to fix. Anybody use clamps to flatten down the raised area so that it's stays flat once it dries? or is that not necessary?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/20/2012 at 7:08am
so the only thing the topsheet does is protect the graphics on top of the board/skis? it has no structural quality or waterproofing the core? is that what people are saying
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