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    Posted: Oct/26/2006 at 2:36am
Mike Says: In our store, we had great success last season with the Union Data Bindings. For 2007, Union flossed the Data Bindings out with a crocodile-skin outer. The coolest features on Union Bindings are the adjustable heelcup and stiff flex. Unlike other bindings on the market, as you slide out the heelcup to make the binding larger, the heelcup also gets taller, which helps guys with big feet gain more support. Furthermore, Union creates different flex patterns for different sizes. This means a medium binding is softer than an XL binding. No matter what size boot you wear, you will be accompanied by tailor-fitted flexes with Union.
 
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ok...  bindiings are very important to me.   and i have never been so happy witha  binding and the way it made me feel.  The Union Data is by far the best snowboard binding i have ever riden.  Tjhere were no pressuer point no matter how hard i tighend them.  no hard stops.   they were super smoth and responsive.  i dont think i will ride anything else ever again but the Union datas.
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I have a pair of datas as well....They are soooo awesome...the only negative thing i can possibly say about them is that they are slightly narrow in the baseplates so my hulking size 13 boot sometimes gets pinched slightly...but other than that theyre awesome...ohh and the white leather doesnt look that good when it gets super wet...
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  Quote kimchijajonshim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/10/2007 at 5:45pm
I've only ridden these twice but I can already tell that they're bad ass bindings.  Responsive and durable, but forgiving enough when I don't quite hit the ground right.  Love the plastic on aluminum performance.  Maybe a little stiff for park, but not debilitating so.  I have a small pressure point on the inside of my left instep, but I tweaked the ankle strap a bit and I'm confident I'll be fine.  I'll give a more thorough review after I've ridden them a bit more, but they are very very sweet bindings.
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  Quote kimchijajonshim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/12/2007 at 8:41pm
After four days of riding these around Mt. Rose and Northstar:
In terms of design they're pretty straight forward... toolless forward lean, adjustable aluminum heelcup on plastic binding, extendable toe ramp, rotatable highbacks.  Just good solid construction, not a lot of bells and whistles.

In terms of performance, they were topnotch.  They were definitely better than the old Flow Pro FS and Salomon SPX 45s I'd ridden previously... and I actually liked the Salomons quite a bit.  Stiff front-to-back response with just enough lateral forgiveness.  I don't know that I'd take them into the park, but for my style of riding (freeride/backcountry FS) they were perfect.

However, I do have some complaints.  First and foremost is that they seem to put style over substance in certain aspects.  On the Forces (which I had played around with) there are numerical markers that tell you what your forward lean is set to.  On the Datas, you just have to eyeball and feel for it, which is a pain when you're constantly tweaking your stance and trying to go back to a previous set-up.  And the white leather, while totally bad ass looking, doesn't seem like the best choice of materials for something that's going to go through that kind of punishment.

Second is that I have some minor pressure points on my Dialogues along the inside of the ankle straps.  However they seem to pop up and disappear at random, so that may depend on how I orient my boots on a given day.  I'm still tweaking around with them to find that perfect set-up.

While the SPX 45s were inferior in terms of response and performance, they were painless right out of the box and definitely not shabby bindings.  If I hadn't gotten a defective pair (cracked the left heelcup after one day of riding), I would have been perfectly happy with them.  Kind of makes me wish I'd kept that Salomon/Salomon brand integration... guess I can wait until I pick up something new at the end of the season.

As it is, I'd give them a good 8.5 out of 10... if I tweak them a bit and get rid of those minor pressure points, I'd upgrade that to a 9.  If these were a bit less extravagant and more functional in design, then I'd up to a 9.5.  They have a few flaws, but they're excellent bindings.

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After playing around with them at home, I decided I had my stance a touch too wide, which was why my insteps (especially the left/front one) were hurting.  After narrowing my stance a few cm, the pressure point is still there, but it doesn't seem like it'd be anywhere near enough to numb my foot like it did previously.  I'll write up further after next weekend at Northstar.


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  Quote kimchijajonshim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/26/2007 at 1:05pm
Unfortunately, I've discovered a bit of an issue with Union base tray design... I had a pressure point on the inside of my front foot.  I assumed that it was because the ankle strap was coming down very hard and pressing.  It turns out that it is actually my foot slightly pressing up against the plastic base tray.  Because the base is not integrated (metal heelcup in plastic base tray), the binding inclines up closer to the center than most bindings to accomodate the adjustable heelcup.

A few days ago I went riding and the pain on my front foot was killing me, I couldn't figure out why.  I think I have gotten rid of the pressure point by further tweaking them, so I should be fine in the future.

It is a minor issue, but still a tad annoying.  If you have a large foot or a wider boot (mine is a Salomon Dialogue size 10) you may want to consider a different binding.
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  Quote kimchijajonshim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/12/2007 at 2:32pm
Further thoughts... I've had no issues with heelcup slippage when using a ratchet and torquing down all as hard as possible.  Of course that results in me being a little scared of breaking off the screw (I actually managed that).

The highbacks on these break in a LOT.  They turned out to be a lot softer than I would have expected after about 15 times using them.

It makes for a very versatile binding, but I got them with the expectation that they'd be fairly stiff in the highback.  They're still very responsive, but I probably wouldn't have bought them if I'd known they would break in so much (I like the feedback of highbacks).

Toe cap could use some R&D.  Foam piece is useless and it seems like it deteriorates a bit.  Conforms well as a toe cap though, at least in my experience.

In short, great bindings, but not so great that I wouldn't consider replacing them (Rome 390s, 08 Burton CO2's, and possibly Burton Triads are next on the list).
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