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ippollite
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Topic: Review SpamPosted: Jan/14/2013 at 7:22pm |
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Yay! less people reviewing. :) To be honest, thats no skin off my nose if people think its not worth it. In fact you just made my job easier. So far from a threat, its actually something we love and would encourage. The more people put off from reviewing the easier it is to pull shit eviws, which means the more likely it is that people will put some effort in their reviews so we dont pull them. Win win. That being said... I didnt pull them, i have no idea who pulled them, but lets see if i can offer a balanced account of things... 1. Raygun Review: Plenty of fluff and padding (you mention other boards but only in passing for example, little in the way of a direct comparison is drawn). But the review didnt depend on fluff... so the real meat... heres what i took away from it: the boards kinda fine in all conditions. Youre happy with it. It responds well and sounds reasonably forgiving. In truth, the threshold as i say is low, so although its lacking details i wouldnt flag it. Not only did you add some points about it in that were simple to grasp (if a little generic), but its evident immediately you rode it and are writing a genuine opinion on it. If i was thinking about buying the board what id take from your review is that its going to be alright. Id look elsewhere for a bit of a finer tuning on the details, but it would actually factor in my consideration to even start looking elsewhere. So it does its job and its a decent (if lacking in detail) review. 2. Bern Helmet: Immediate comparison with red and more importantly sizing of red helmets versus Bern. This alone means the review shouldnt receive a flag. Also a note that there are two versions of the same helmet. This is MASSIVELY informative to potential customers. No fluff, direct details and information you wont get ithe product discription. Definitely not a flag. 3. 2008 Cartels: You dropped the ball on this one though. Again, you mention other products, but fail to really show a comparison. I cant also be confident enough to decide if the problems youre having with these bindings are because you havent set them up right or if the binding itself is problematic to set up. Okay details about lack of pressure points, but then immediately countered by "found myself riding on my toes" indicating that you havent really set them up well or your feet just arent fitting them great. Its too messy, i cant really work out whether you like them, whether the binding is causing you issues, or whether its just a poor setting up. Its also hard to know what you mean by phrases "riding on my toes" to be honest. Then theres the giveaway "it might have been HIS settings..." arent these your bindings? Im confused? finally, the last sentence mentions a THIRD binding but offers no grounds for the claim at all. Honestly, its a messy confused review. Id pull it. There you go, certainly you shouldnt have gotten a flag for the helmet, you probably shouldnt have got a flag from the k2 review, and you probably should have gotten a flag for the binding review. To improve just take the CONSTRUCTIVE feedback and look at the points ive given. If you want to review stuff or bring in other products, you need to directly compare them (and direct comparisons are GREAT, they really help any review). You cant just mention them. And if you are saying i prefer x to y, you need to say WHY you prefer x to y. Also padding is unnecessary. I could write a ten thousand word review on any product on this site but no one wants to read it. Stick to the facts. Keep it detailed. Add to the product information. Show you have some genuine experience using the product in the area it should be used. Hope this helps.
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Posted: Jan/13/2013 at 1:20pm |
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Well living in Iowa I do not get much time on any equipment, so I review it as best I can. Wish I could go out more and do more thorough reviews, but it is what it is.
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batmanwest
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Posted: Jan/13/2013 at 12:24pm |
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I don't think I personally would flag any of those reviews, I might say the binder review was not helpful, but not enough for the spam hammer. But my guess would be just from reading those reviews, it comes off as you personally do not have that much time on the stuff you are reviewing. It seems you got the product, rode said product for a day, then reviewed it. At least...that's how it comes off to me.. |
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fj5
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Posted: Jan/13/2013 at 12:12pm |
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^ Reaching the spam limit on either forum posts or product reviews won't lock your account, but you will no longer be able to post in that medium anymore. You can still earn daily login points as well as purchase points.
I'm not sure when those 3 reviews were flagged but I did notice you posted two on the same day. I used to do that too and it did attract some unwanted attention... so I've learned to spread them out now. I think you'll be fine with your current content, just space them out I guess. A couple of my, what I thought were meaningful, reviews got flagged too. As for content, as long as it's honest, the more content the better. Extra effort is rewarded here. Also, apparently when a review hits 5 "NO" clicks, it gets flagged as well, just fyi. |
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Posted: Jan/13/2013 at 12:02pm |
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Posted: Jan/13/2013 at 11:58am |
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Thanks, I am at a point where points aren't a big driver anymore, I have all new equipment and don't need replacements for some time. Was just surprised to see that much spam for reviews, and don't want to get my account locked for when I do need to get replacement bindings or eventually a board. Maybe the next review will be a novel! lol.
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Soft
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Posted: Jan/13/2013 at 11:53am |
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I guess it is because people expect a review to be 5 pages with really detailed describtion. Me myself, are perfectly fine with how the "thing" worked for you :) The K2 Raygun; How you explained where you went and were you did'nt test it, and what you did to balace for the "did not do's". Your previous experience with similar products and so on. I like this short review's, they kinda got what I need to know. I do not need the 5 pages with research, and "rip-apart's". I guess you could make a own topic; Commisar short reviews. And put all your reviews in there. You will not get as much points, but you can still help fellow boarders as me out :) - P My english isn't my strongest side, so sorry for that. |
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Posted: Jan/13/2013 at 11:46am |
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I am beginning to wonder if even doing product reviews is worth it anymore. Just looked at my points in my profile and found that I am at 6/10 spam for reviews. I am not sure how a few of them got on there. What is wrong with the following reviews:
Experience:
After about 9 years of riding a Liquid Trip 60, just about
anything would be a worthwhile upgrade. After reading reviews for hours
and hours I decided on the K2 Raygun 156. I couldn't be happier with
my choice. First run was at Winter Park, CO. Got on the board and
everything felt so natural. Easy to turn, holds good at speed, it gave
me a lot of confidence. Continued the day through some deep powder,
some moguls, groomed, and ungroomed runs. It was great on everything.
Never took it to a terrain park, but did hit some natural jumps and the
board response was great.
Experience:
Bought this helmet and its a bit lighter than my old RED Skycap,
however the size also runs smaller so I cannot use it, Red medium fits
great, this medium put a lot of pressure on my head. They also make
this helmet in a summer version, which is what got shipped to me, so be
careful and make sure you get the winter version.
I do not have any board shops around me, so online was the only way to
go.
"Good Binding" 3/1/2011
Experience:
I rode a Burton Jussi with these Bindings. Coming from
my Nidecker bindings these things were simply amazing! I loved the toe
cap, didn't pressure the pinky toe like my old bindings. Strap release
was a bit confusing at first, but once I found it they released real
good. It may have been his settings but I found myself constantly
riding on my toes! Overall a good binding, but I think I prefer my new
bindings 2011 K2 Formula over these.
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Soft
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Posted: Jan/12/2013 at 3:57pm |
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Earn them yourself, or just quit wow. Go boarding instead. Totally worth it!
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heinz
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Posted: Jan/12/2013 at 2:38pm |
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Well the websites ARE legit. they will give you gold for your money... but how easily you can get caught by blizz, thats a whole 'nother topic. |
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jhoang6
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Posted: Jan/10/2013 at 8:44pm |
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Hey I want gold for my character! don't under estimate...the stupidity X|
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Posted: Jan/10/2013 at 8:15pm |
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batmanwest... that is a glorious mustache....
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batmanwest
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Posted: Jan/10/2013 at 7:53pm |
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Yerp. Definition of one line reviews. Nothing else to see here people...move along... http://www.trusnow.com/profile_reviews.asp?pf=361870 |
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JDiggidy
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Posted: Jan/07/2013 at 7:20pm |
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Who actually goes to these websites thinking they're legit??
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chillwill
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gunda pickle
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Posted: Jan/04/2013 at 5:52pm |
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Seems sad that there seems to be more posts about spam then about snowboarding.
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ippollite
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Posted: Jan/04/2013 at 4:20pm |
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Im fairly sure shell not only be banned, but also lose her coupons. Were this dual exploit allowed to stand (for there are two, but we always kept the second one super hush-hush :)), then the company is going to run out of goggles. :) |
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derbytownjoe
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Posted: Jan/04/2013 at 9:39am |
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shes not back up 400.... i just didnt get all of em this morning... and as far as having multiple tabs open.... yea i know that one...
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fj5
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Posted: Jan/04/2013 at 9:29am |
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^ Yeah, I think DTJ's recommendation would be more fair to those who actually took their time to write meaningful brand reviews.
I found out a relatively faster way to flag brand reviews, FWIW. Have two tabs open. First tab has all the brand reviews listed for the offender. Second tab you use for navigating through the website. So if he/she has a bs brand review for Merrell... instead of having to find the brand in the various categories, I just type Merrell in the search bar. I click on the first Merrell product that comes up. At the top left of the page, you'll see: I then click on "Merrell" just before the actual product and that brings me to the brand review page for Merrell. Then you find her review and flag it. It's still a bit cumbersome, but at least you don't have to hunt for brands through the brands tab. I was able to flag a lot faster this way. I PM'ed her to ask her why she would so it again after we already caught her the first time. We'll see how she responds. EDIT: OMG, she's back up again to 400 points from brand reviews! 3 strikes and you're out, that deserves a ban from the community, in my opinion.
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derbytownjoe
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Posted: Jan/04/2013 at 7:54am |
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or just close the loophole of being able to still do BRs even after having 10/10 flags......
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batmanwest
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Posted: Jan/04/2013 at 7:42am |
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Brand reviews are the problem. Always have been the problem IMO. Too hard to detect, too hard to get rid of the bs BR's, and a perfect breeding ground for point "whoring". Idea? Blast down the entire brand review system. Get rid of it all together. From comments of mods/expert members it seems it might be easier to have a programmer just remove BR's all together from the site ![]() EDIT: Well, it looks like DTJ (and maybe others?) have done a fantastic job with stripping her of BR points. 519 review points taken away, and for that I commend all of you that still come on here and give a shit. But looking at her profile, it seems yesterday she did at least 5 BR's. Are BR's not linked to the review spam count? Wouldn't it be easier to just delete that account? It is obvious that she is just here for points and is doing a fantastic job at exploiting the point system. Ultimately troutdoors has the right to do what they like with any profile. So....just delete the user profile instead of having expert members and mods waste loads of time (from the sound of it) singling out each and every BR. Although, I guess the real problem is the lack of people that actually spend time here that have that kind of power, eh? Bleh. |
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return2heaven
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Posted: Jan/04/2013 at 6:30am |
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Ok so she does a ton of bs brand reviews, someone takes the time to flag her so she is 10/10
Spam reviews... YET she is STILL able to post a gazillion more bs brand reviews??? Sounds like Flagging stuff is a colossal waste of time... Im done with this, seriously whats the point? |
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derbytownjoe
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Posted: Jan/04/2013 at 2:08am |
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at least they shouldnt.... ok, so i gave in and have been chipping away/hunting down all her BRs.....
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Posted: Jan/04/2013 at 2:01am |
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No they won't get the code again.
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derbytownjoe
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Posted: Jan/04/2013 at 12:12am |
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really..... wtf......
well i guess I(we'll) have to wait until someone who can do something about it comes online.... i really done feel like tracking down 100+ BRs
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fj5
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Posted: Jan/03/2013 at 8:04pm |
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^ WOW, double offender... I can't believe that, how was she able to post more brand reviews after reaching the spam limit? That's a bad bug indeed. Does she actually get a second coupon code for breaking the 1500 point level again?
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CassinoNorth
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Posted: Jan/03/2013 at 5:40pm |
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She just got her free goggles by empty brand reviews.
http://www.trusnow.com/profile_reviews.asp?PF=221428&view=brandreviews EDIT: seems she was already caught. |
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fj5
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Posted: Jan/02/2013 at 11:46am |
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Yeah, just saw that guy's same posts in multiple threads. Here's the direct link to the profile just in case more people reply to the funny pictures thread. |
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chillwill
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Posted: Jan/02/2013 at 11:40am |
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Hmm, normally they post their spam late at night.....Daytime for them.
http://www.trusnow.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21321&PID=1222671#1222671 I would imagine these guys are in India or China. Probably China. Knock-off capital of the world. |
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fj5
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Posted: Jan/01/2013 at 11:51pm |
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Where the hell are all these spammers coming from? Wtf!?
All forum posts.
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fj5
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Posted: Jan/01/2013 at 10:35pm |
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Tsk tsk kikko... 630 pts from poor (many empty) brand reviews, AFTER we already caught all those others.
I think she did it to break the goggle level threshold, I hope we're not too late. I started to flag. |
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derbytownjoe
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its the same cheap chinese spam... just spun through google translate into german.... the german doesnt even really make all that much sense.... |
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ctoma
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Posted: Dec/28/2012 at 7:31pm |
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Spam from another country:
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ctoma
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Posted: Dec/27/2012 at 7:17am |
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And someone hit most of those entries with the spam-hammer already! That was quick! Happy Holidays to you, chillwill.
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chillwill
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Posted: Dec/27/2012 at 6:39am |
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ctoma, you hit the holiday spam mother load!
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ctoma
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Happy holidays, I think I'll write some crappy reviews, get points and earn free gear:
http://www.trusnow.com/profile_reviews.asp?pf=360284 (goggle review) |
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fj5
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Yeah, that's what I meant, just so I can flag them once and that's enough to take it down, rather than my current 1/5 flag. But I get you, that's too bad. Those of us will do what we can to help as well. I look at it like this: - Cops = all the full power mods (eg. gsrrr) - Neighbourhood Watch = unofficial expert members (eg. ippo, derby) - Hall Monitors = regulars (eg. ctoma, chillwill, fj5) - Delinquents = bad regulars (eg. snowboardinrox357, snowflakez) ![]() |
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*we dont even have the powers...... all we can do is flag posts or reviews......
dont ask.... as weve been trying fo a cpl years now to get our own powers..... it sux.... but those of us that are around the most, can only do the least......
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fj5
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Is there any way you or Ipps can grant me just that "power"? I'll gladly do it if that helps you guys out.
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chillwill
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Spammer
http://www.trusnow.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29030&PID=1221392#1221392 http://www.trusnow.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21321&PID=1221393#1221393 http://www.trusnow.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53192&PID=1221397#1221397 http://www.trusnow.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53193&PN=0&PID=1221398#1221398 http://www.trusnow.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53194&PN=0&PID=1221399#1221399 |
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derbytownjoe
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this is correct..... you have to go through each brand to search for each person's "one" review...... thats why its a PITA
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chillwill
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fj5
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So Derbs, when I find someone like above with a bunch of spam reviews, you have to go to each brand and find his review to flag it? There's no way you can do it from his profile?
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derbytownjoe
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we know this... it sucks.... every now and again, some of us go on hunting parties through the brand reviews.... but its just such a PITA and it takes forever....
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There is too much abuse in the brand section because it goes undetected by users so you can't flag it in the newsfeed until you click on their profile to see the break down of their points.
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fj5
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Many of his brand reviews lack any depth:
90 brand reviews... 450 pts... Double post on Randomness thread: Appears to be another up and coming 5 and out.
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