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    Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by duchsauce

Lol, this is epic!  So many people losing their points, they will log on and be crushed.  You should send the people who got free t-shirts a bill.


I  was doing that someone dropped from 750 points down to 6 hundred something in a matter of minutes. It's still dropping by the minute. LOL
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haha. this is great. whos the person surfs up? i'd like to help

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  Quote InTheCartel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 12:17pm
I mean I like this idea-- but don't forger about the law of unintended consequences

One might be against women getting an abortion, but the law of unintended consequence may dictate how they vote on the matter. They may not want women getting themselves sick or killed, or doing the same to their full-term baby, and thus cannot justify making abortion explicitly illegal.

Much of the same logic must be applied here. Sure, it is nice to get the spammers out, but what if the marketing division at Burton decided to hire 5 people to make 5 accounts just to search and destroy all negative comments on Burton boards...
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  Quote uspdan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 12:27pm
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brofox17 and jakehall
reading their reviews frustrates me...especially brofox..he looks at the specs of the item, and talks about it so it looks legit. his CHB, forum roost, k2 select, burton custom second and palmer touch women are all bs reviews.


yeah those 2 guys are garbage. I think it'd be quicker/easier for one of the staff to just dump all their reviews. very few if any are actually legit.
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  Quote uspdan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 12:29pm
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Much of the same logic must be applied here. Sure, it is nice to get the spammers out, but what if the marketing division at Burton decided to hire 5 people to make 5 accounts just to search and destroy all negative comments on Burton boards...


wow, i don't think thats going to be a huge issue.
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  Quote percept Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 12:30pm
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I mean I like this idea-- but don't forger about the law of unintended consequences

One might be against women getting an abortion, but the law of unintended consequence may dictate how they vote on the matter. They may not want women getting themselves sick or killed, or doing the same to their full-term baby, and thus cannot justify making abortion explicitly illegal.

Much of the same logic must be applied here. Sure, it is nice to get the spammers out, but what if the marketing division at Burton decided to hire 5 people to make 5 accounts just to search and destroy all negative comments on Burton boards...


who's flagging negative reviews?
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It could be any company, he does have a valid point though.
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  Quote icymallard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by InTheCartel

I mean I like this idea-- but don't forger about the law of unintended consequences

One might be against women getting an abortion, but the law of unintended consequence may dictate how they vote on the matter. They may not want women getting themselves sick or killed, or doing the same to their full-term baby, and thus cannot justify making abortion explicitly illegal.

Much of the same logic must be applied here. Sure, it is nice to get the spammers out, but what if the marketing division at Burton decided to hire 5 people to make 5 accounts just to search and destroy all negative comments on Burton boards...

actually... that is a very valid concern...
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  Quote klutzycurtis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 12:40pm
whohoo! yes, finally!

^and yes, I agree that it might be a problem, but really, you can't stop it and it's not really going to matter
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  Quote MJSBullitt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 1:20pm
if anything, i think it should be 5 or more flags from people, then a staff memeber should have to inspect the review and decide on it
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  Quote xxsweet_jen24xx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 2:26pm
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I mean I like this idea-- but don't forger about the law of unintended consequences

One might be against women getting an abortion, but the law of unintended consequence may dictate how they vote on the matter. They may not want women getting themselves sick or killed, or doing the same to their full-term baby, and thus cannot justify making abortion explicitly illegal.

Much of the same logic must be applied here. Sure, it is nice to get the spammers out, but what if the marketing division at Burton decided to hire 5 people to make 5 accounts just to search and destroy all negative comments on Burton boards...
 
Actually, this is a very different thing. We aren't deleting negative reviews. We are deleting reviews that do not contain actual reviews. These reviews were just made by people who went in and clicked buttons, and didn't even bother to write anything that would help someone who is thinking of purchasing the item. We aren't deleting them because we don't agree with what they had to say, we are deleting them because they didn't actually say anything.
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  Quote percept Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 2:29pm
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Actually, this is a very different thing. We aren't deleting negative reviews. We are deleting reviews that do not contain actual reviews. These reviews were just made by people who went in and clicked buttons, and didn't even bother to write anything that would help someone who is thinking of purchasing the item. We aren't deleting them because we don't agree with what they had to say, we are deleting them because they didn't actually say anything.

you misunderstood his post the same way i did.

hes not saying WE would delete them.  He's saying that giving us the power to flag them also gives the same power to snowboard manufacturers to delete them.  so......burton could hire a team of guys to just scour the net, deleting neg reviews of their gear.

not saying burton would do that...just saying i think thats what he meant.


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  Quote xxsweet_jen24xx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 2:48pm
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Originally posted by xxsweet_jen24xx

 
Actually, this is a very different thing. We aren't deleting negative reviews. We are deleting reviews that do not contain actual reviews. These reviews were just made by people who went in and clicked buttons, and didn't even bother to write anything that would help someone who is thinking of purchasing the item. We aren't deleting them because we don't agree with what they had to say, we are deleting them because they didn't actually say anything.

you misunderstood his post the same way i did.

hes not saying WE would delete them.  He's saying that giving us the power to flag them also gives the same power to snowboard manufacturers to delete them.  so......burton could hire a team of guys to just scour the net, deleting neg reviews of their gear.

not saying burton would do that...just saying i think thats what he meant.


 
Ooooh, okay, I see what you mean. I didn't even think of it that way. I completely misunderstood. Sorry 'bout that!
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  Quote icymallard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 4:30pm
Crap i just thought of another thing...

what if I worked for Rome and every chance I get, i say YA i own 390's they are softer then average but super solid binderzzz i like them better than union forces...

idunno i never rode forces.


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  Quote yipperzz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 4:36pm
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Crap i just thought of another thing...

what if I worked for Rome and every chance I get, i say YA i own 390's they are softer then average but super solid binderzzz i like them better than union forces...

idunno i never rode forces.




what?
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  Quote icymallard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 4:40pm
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Originally posted by icymallard

Crap i just thought of another thing...

what if I worked for Rome and every chance I get, i say YA i own 390's they are softer then average but super solid binderzzz i like them better than union forces...

idunno i never rode forces.




what?

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i don't get what you said.  can you repeat it in english?
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  Quote shreddog_123 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/03/2009 at 4:54pm
i'm not even joking i thought of this idea. but great job for making it like that. fake reviews are baaaaaaaad!!
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sry i was just throwing the idea around that any of the forum posters could work for any certain company...
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reviews are valuable here. this is sweet, good job!
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Dang it I get busy for 1 freaking day and miss all the fun.
 
This has been the biggest gripe from the community since the point system was implemented.  Thank you sierra for finallly making this happen.
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  Quote Varial Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/04/2009 at 5:04am
Maybe do something like you just can review something if its in your "Have It" list, I know you can put anything you want there but I think you can know when someone is putting extra stuff.
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i sucks that most of the buttons on this site don't work at my computer at workCry

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Good work guys --- it is going to be really helpful to customers not seeking forum advice. Clap
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Loud noises herald the coming of abuse of power. Formerly abuse has been in the hands of those whose minds are in the gutter, seeking gain. Now, by enforcing this system, we have let loose a wild pack of dogs, that cares not what it devours, only hungering for BAN flesh. This could either be a brilliant system to discourage those who lie, or a catalyst for dividing the sierra community.

 
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question is though...for those members who when shopping for gear, did research, and compiled a knowledge base of different items, therefore should be able to review such items, even if they did not purchase it. Many riders try different setups, should they be penalized for shopping around until they find the best gear?
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  Quote yipperzz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/04/2009 at 9:45am
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i sucks that most of the buttons on this site don't work at my computer at workCry

linux+firefox+sierra=Confused


what are your problems?  i'm on linux and firefox and don't see any issues here.  i'm on firefox on windows at work too and don't see any issues.  i don't think it has to do with linux if you're experiencing any issues.
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this is a good plan
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  Quote craigalicious Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/04/2009 at 12:32pm
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I mean I like this idea-- but don't forger about the law of unintended consequences

One might be against women getting an abortion, but the law of unintended consequence may dictate how they vote on the matter. They may not want women getting themselves sick or killed, or doing the same to their full-term baby, and thus cannot justify making abortion explicitly illegal.

Much of the same logic must be applied here. Sure, it is nice to get the spammers out, but what if the marketing division at Burton decided to hire 5 people to make 5 accounts just to search and destroy all negative comments on Burton boards...

can we lock down good reviews?  this would fix that problem, but i don't think it's really ever going to be a problem.  any company is wasting a lot of time and money if they decide to do that, and it's not like burton really cares what reviews are on sierra.  BMB people might try to do it, but once again, they're wasting their time.

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Just ignore him, Timmay. We all know he sucks at life.
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  Quote MrStak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/06/2009 at 4:46am
Like I said earlier, in order to thwart a company teaming up to flag bad reviews of their product, maybe set it up so that people are allowed to flag bad reviews after a certain number of posts...like 100 or 200. That way, the lazy people who are here for free gear won't take the time to write up 200 posts just to flag good reviews. And if some company wanted to gang up and flag all the bad reviews of their product, they too would need to write up 200 posts before they could flag the bad stuff. Just a thought on how to counter act any potential
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  Quote duchsauce Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/06/2009 at 5:12am
Originally posted by MrStak

Like I said earlier, in order to thwart a company teaming up to flag bad reviews of their product, maybe set it up so that people are allowed to flag bad reviews after a certain number of posts...like 100 or 200. That way, the lazy people who are here for free gear won't take the time to write up 200 posts just to flag good reviews. And if some company wanted to gang up and flag all the bad reviews of their product, they too would need to write up 200 posts before they could flag the bad stuff. Just a thought on how to counter act any potential


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  Quote percept Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/06/2009 at 6:56am
Originally posted by MrStak

Like I said earlier, in order to thwart a company teaming up to flag bad reviews of their product, maybe set it up so that people are allowed to flag bad reviews after a certain number of posts...like 100 or 200. That way, the lazy people who are here for free gear won't take the time to write up 200 posts just to flag good reviews. And if some company wanted to gang up and flag all the bad reviews of their product, they too would need to write up 200 posts before they could flag the bad stuff. Just a thought on how to counter act any potential


im a fan of this idea.
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  Quote dlaw Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/06/2009 at 7:07am
i'm going to agree with MrStak's idea as well.  You have to be a certain level to give advice in the chat so why not with the review flagging.
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then again, it's not that hard to get 100 posts...

Originally posted by snowboardguy321

cool


^^ this guy's almost there...
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Nice move Sierra!  but instead of deleting the review, just hide the review from the product page so the user have a chance to prove that the review is not a spam (this also helps the concern of companies trying to drop negative review).
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  Quote Surfs_up Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/06/2009 at 7:17pm
Originally posted by percept

Originally posted by MrStak

Like I said earlier, in order to thwart a company teaming up to flag bad reviews of their product, maybe set it up so that people are allowed to flag bad reviews after a certain number of posts...like 100 or 200. That way, the lazy people who are here for free gear won't take the time to write up 200 posts just to flag good reviews. And if some company wanted to gang up and flag all the bad reviews of their product, they too would need to write up 200 posts before they could flag the bad stuff. Just a thought on how to counter act any potential


im a fan of this idea.


Very good idea, companies may do this, if they don't there are such things as brand nut huggers.  People will just make up fake accounts to delete some bad reviews that may harm their favorite company because they own 5 of their boards. 
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Some guy logged into chat the other day and was like hey why did I lose over half my points.  That made me LOL
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http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=39482

his review of the agent is just a copy and paste of what rome says in the "description"

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http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=39482


ya, looks like his BS reviews are gone now

actually, they haven't. I flagged some of them, as they seem to be pure cut+paste and/or fiction
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wow...saw the rome agent review...straight up copy and pasteĀ LOL
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