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    Posted: Apr/09/2009 at 6:01am
Just wonder what you guys think of the hero v rocker?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/09/2009 at 7:05am
Anyone know what sizes the Custom V rocker is going to come in?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/09/2009 at 7:08am
Custom V rocker is == 51, 54, 56, 59, 63
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/10/2009 at 5:18am
My personal opinion of the V-rocker is that is awesome. I demoed a hero then bought one and it was is far the funnest and most playful board i have ever used. Im sure that the libs and gnus are great too but i havent used one yet so i cant really comment on them. The custom v-rocker and the new joystick are going to be killer boards mainly because they are geared towards freeride rather than park. I use my hero for freeride and it works great but thats personal opinion. If you have any doubts about the v-rocker then trust me, its a lot of fun and the hero has impressive edgehold for softer board.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/10/2009 at 5:57am
I demoed the Hero this season and really liked it.  I rode about 10 burton boards this season and it was in the top 3 for me.  Just remember that these are not all mountain boards in the sense that they are not designed for high speeds.  For what it is it is great in my opinion
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/10/2009 at 9:52pm
I think it has good hold at speed...maybe I'm not going as fast as i think i am...how embarrassing. Mad fun board regardless less. Looks a bit bland though. and that is what its all about after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2009 at 6:17pm
v-rocker has no problem at speed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2009 at 6:33pm
for park and all mtn riding the hero is my number 1 pick followed by the 010 burton fix, 010 k2 jibpan, and 010 lib skate banana.
 
Skate banana hooks up the best and holds the best edge.
 
jibpan has the best pop followed by the fix.
 
Hero is just the funnest most forgiving board.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2009 at 7:38pm
The flex has a lot to do with the "fun" factor of the Hero, not just the V-rocker.  I think we all need to ride the custome v-rock to get a better feel for how much the rocker changes the performance of the board. 
 
I loved the Hero as soon as I rode it, but that is really because it reminded me quite a bit of my original Santa Cruz XXX 56.  That board had camber to it, too.  Even though I loved the orginal XXX 56, I had warranty damage on it, so I exchanged it for the next-year's model which had a Vokl wood core.  It completely changed the feel of the board.  It is only recently the board softend up enough to compare to that original model.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/12/2009 at 5:40am
i have a custom with vroc and without .  the board is completely different but still quite stable at speed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/12/2009 at 9:13am
I have the hero and the custom with V rocker.  Custom with V rocker has MORE flex and is stiffer torsionally.  I EASILY tail press the 156 v rocker 3 feet off the ground.  I can only tail press my 158 hero about 2-2.5 feet.  The custom with V rocker is A LOT more stable at higher speeds and handles chop a lot better than the hero.  I love my hero but the custom with v rocker is a better board IMO. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/12/2009 at 11:53am

I'd imagine the custom v-r has more damping than a hero.  I am suprised it has more flex.  Where specifically can you tell the difference?  I'm going to have to demo that and the joystick next year.

Btw, I rode my Hero 55 hauling tush on Blue Ox in Vail for a session I had with some skiers.  (My SuperX was in the shop getting repaired).  It's basically a double-black they keep groomed (off of chair 10).  We did a good 7 runs.  It was a little sketchier than I prefer, but I thought the Hero did well.
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but what do you mean you can tail press 3 feet off the ground.  Are you riding around holding it that high?  That's about a 30 degree angle.  Any pics?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/12/2009 at 12:47pm
Where can I buy a custom v-rocker 159? Is it possible to mount some Relay XLT's to it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/12/2009 at 12:54pm
they are out next year.  I do not know if it is possible to mount the salomon's to it.  Haven't tried.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/12/2009 at 1:00pm
damn i just bought a hero, but from the sounds of it i'd like the custom even better. oh well, i guess i'll be buying another board next season LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/12/2009 at 4:52pm
I have the Hero and I actually like it better than my Skate Banana. The Hero is more forgiving of your errors so you are less likely to catch an edge and fall. It gives you more confidence to ride harder. It holds a good edge on groomers, and is a very fun board to ride. I do want to demo the Custom V-rocker this summer though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/13/2009 at 3:52am
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/13/2009 at 4:15am
I cant wait to see the Joystick. It supposed to be the hero but a little bit stiffer. That is going to be an awesome board.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/13/2009 at 4:43am
Originally posted by Riding_Since_89

 
Maybe I'm missing something, but what do you mean you can tail press 3 feet off the ground.  Are you riding around holding it that high?  That's about a 30 degree angle.  Any pics?
Yes I am riding with it pressed that high.  Keep in mind I probably don't keep it that high but for maybe 25ft or so.  I will have someone snap a pic of me doing it this weekend.  It actually kind of scared me the first time I did it.  I did not expect it to come up that high.  Kind of felt like I was popping a wheelie on my motorcycle.  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/13/2009 at 4:44am
Originally posted by R Hollywood

I cant wait to see the Joystick. It supposed to be the hero but a little bit stiffer. That is going to be an awesome board.
Demoed the joystick and did not like it.  It is WAY stiffer than the hero.  I didn't find it very fun and it definitely wasn't very playful. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/13/2009 at 5:08am
Well that makes me feel better cause I already have a hero and I dont wanna buy another board. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/13/2009 at 5:41am
Thanks bru, convinced me that the Joystick might be the way for me to go for an all mountain stick. 
How does the Joystick compare to the Custom V-Roc?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/13/2009 at 6:03am
Originally posted by BRUIZZA

Demoed the joystick and did not like it.  It is WAY stiffer than the hero.  I didn't find it very fun and it definitely wasn't very playful. 


funny, I would disagree entirely.  It's all personal preference and perception.  This is one of those situations where people's perceptions and preferences can be so wildly different that you'll get opposite answers.  For what it's worth, I did not think the Joystick was that much stiffer, not even close enough to say "WAY STIFFER".  Anyway, this guy looks too be having a great time on his Joystick.  Plenty playful if you ask me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/13/2009 at 1:08pm
^^^^^
 
Isn't that an '09 board (Hero)?  The Joystick is a '10 model, so I don't think that's it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/13/2009 at 1:17pm
Originally posted by Riding_Since_89

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Isn't that an '09 board (Hero)?  The Joystick is a '10 model, so I don't think that's it.


No, that's not a hero. Can tell from the base.  It's the joystick i'm pretty sure.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/13/2009 at 2:10pm
I'm 110% sure that is a Joystick and not a Hero.
Anybody have experience on the Hero, Joystick and Custom V-roc?
Just wondering where they rank against each other for stiffness and such.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/13/2009 at 2:20pm
not a hero
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/13/2009 at 2:30pm
Okay... I'm convinced.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/13/2009 at 2:33pm
Here's the 2010 Hero

2009 Hero


and here's the 2010 Joystick


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/14/2009 at 12:51pm
Here are some 2010 board specs, fwiw:
 
Name Running Length Effective Edge Radius Camber Length
Custom 56 1160 1202.5 7.87 5 56
Custom 58 1180 1222.5 8.01 6 58
C VR 56 1160 1205.5 7.87 4 56
C VR 59 1190 1232.5 8.08 4 59
CX 56 1170 1212.5 7.97 7 56
CX58 1190 1232.5 8.09 7 58
fix 55 1150 1200.0 7.66 0 55
fix 58 1180 1230.0 7.85 0 58
Hero 55 1140 1185.0 7.75 0 55
Hero 58 1170 1215.0 7.94 0 58
Joystick 54 1130 1180.0 7.58 4 54
Joystick 57 1160 1210.0 7.78 4 57
Malolo 58 1165 1207.5 7.94 3 58
Super X 60 1200 1247.5 8.05 7 60
 
 
I put the Malolo and SuperX in there as FYI.  I happen to like a little sidecut (which is one of the reasons I picked SX over CX).  More fwiw, that Santa Cruz XXX 56 I keep talking about had something like 1250 effective edge... me like edge, too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/14/2009 at 1:59pm
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Originally posted by BRUIZZA

Demoed the joystick and did not like it.  It is WAY stiffer than the hero.  I didn't find it very fun and it definitely wasn't very playful. 


funny, I would disagree entirely.  It's all personal preference and perception.  This is one of those situations where people's perceptions and preferences can be so wildly different that you'll get opposite answers.  For what it's worth, I did not think the Joystick was that much stiffer, not even close enough to say "WAY STIFFER".  Anyway, this guy looks too be having a great time on his Joystick.  Plenty playful if you ask me.

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Joystick is definitely playful still but I found it way stiffer than my hero.  Kind of like my fix is way stiffer than my hero.  Not saying the board is way stiff just saying I find it way stiffer than my hero.  However you are totally right people are going to view boards a lot differently.  That is why I like to demo boards before buying them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/14/2009 at 3:43pm
Hey buizza can you give a comparison of the joystick vs. the custom v-rocker? Stats on the boards appear very similar, what's your take? Impressions from comments you have said sound like you prefer the custom.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/16/2009 at 11:43am
Originally posted by BRUIZZA

Demoed the joystick and did not like it.  It is WAY stiffer than the hero.  I didn't find it very fun and it definitely wasn't very playful


Originally posted by BRUIZZA

Joystick is definitely playful still but I found it way stiffer than my hero.  Kind of like my fix is way stiffer than my hero.  Not saying the board is way stiff just saying I find it way stiffer than my hero.  However you are totally right people are going to view boards a lot differently.  That is why I like to demo boards before buying them.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/16/2009 at 12:43pm
V rockers are sick, definitely a good buy 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/17/2009 at 5:44am
Originally posted by Knowledge is King

Originally posted by BRUIZZA

Demoed the joystick and did not like it.  It is WAY stiffer than the hero.  I didn't find it very fun and it definitely wasn't very playful


Originally posted by BRUIZZA

Joystick is definitely playful still but I found it way stiffer than my hero.  Kind of like my fix is way stiffer than my hero.  Not saying the board is way stiff just saying I find it way stiffer than my hero.  However you are totally right people are going to view boards a lot differently.  That is why I like to demo boards before buying them.


Or sometimes we don't need other people to disagree with, we just disagree with ourselves...
whoops I am a moron.LOL   Okay let me clarify.  The joystick is playful but not nearly as playful IMHO as the hero or Custom V-roc. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/17/2009 at 6:21am
so Bru, would you say the Joystick is a little stiffer than the Custom V-Roc
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I am really looking foward to trying out a v-rocker board next year, they seem like that is wear the future is starting to go in snowboarding and it sounds pretty cool to me
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/02/2009 at 12:06am
I'm definitely getting on a V-rocker next season, Probably the 09 Hero cause I'm cheap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/26/2010 at 4:55pm
hey guys i know its an old post, sorry:
im trying to decide between the customVR and joystick.  from the specs it looks like the only difference is the base material (sintered vs Sintered N2O WFO Base) and the "freestyle scoop."  anybody?
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add into that, the joystick is twinnish with directional flex, and the custom v-roc is directional with twin flex.

i wouldn't say the joystick is stiffer than the custom v-roc at all. they flex very similarly, soft/stiff wise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/27/2010 at 12:34am
Ive ridden the hero, fix, joystick, and custom v-rock
 
I think the custom v-rock is a super "hero" because to me it handles similar to the hero but is a lot more reponsive, has more pop, is faster, and a lot more stable.
 
The hero is still a solid all around board but is really not that stable in the chop, if you have smooth conditions it is very stable at high speeds
 
the fix is really fun with more pop than the custom and hero but is not as forgiving as the hero and custom due to them having v-rocker.
 
The joystick...... well I really dont like stiff rockered boards and think theyre pointless unless you ride pow. If you want a stiff rockered board you might as well be on a cambered board or a zero camber board. The joystick fights you in presses, flex pattern feels ackward for ollieing and spinning. I just felt like I was fighting the board the whole time. But i only got a couple runs on this board so maybe i just needed more time.
 
If you want a soft super stable very versatile board check out the turbo dream. It's just as soft and playful as my custom but has more pop. The only reason I dont ride the turbodream over the custom is because i just really like when boards are rockered between the bindings which to me gives it a really skatey feel. If you want a board that feels similar to a camber board and is stable, poppy, then the turbodream is for you.
 
I havnt ridden the c2, gullwing, flying-v, style of rocker which i'll probably be picking one up next as my pow freestyle board.
 
 
Heres my thing with rockered pow boards. They float and spin amazing but will never have the same stability and bomber feel that a performace bomber board has. Example is the custom x, supermodel x, arbor a-frame, pantera LX which is what I ride, and some other boards that im too tired to mention.
 
If im looking to bomb a pow run and cut through everything and not feel any of the abuse I grab my pantera LX, if I want to spin, press, and just turn the pow into a natural park then I go for a rockered board.
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