Hide your beagle Vicks an Eagle

Can't believe someone picked him up in the NFL

Originally posted by BRUIZZA Not really sure how I feel about this.  I now hate the Eagles more than I did though.  Go SKINS!!!

Yeah, the skins don't have any shitbags on their team.

Originally posted by BRUIZZA None that willingly murdered dogs.

Stop it.

What about albert haynesworth who, out of anger, stomped on a players face with metal spikes on and was also indicted for DUI and wreckless driving?  (multiple times, and while doing it on probation)

I hate the guy, but it should be a fun offense to watch. Vick, Westbrook, and Desean Jackson are all explosive hybrid players that can be moved into different scenarios.

Hey i was against the Haynesworth signing.  Hell I went to college with the guy and didn't like him then.  I was also at that game when he stomped on dude's face.  I still think what Vick did was messed up but I am not saying he doesn't deserve a second chance.  Hell Ray Lewis was implicated in murder and wasn't even suspended.

I heard a rumor he was coming to the Seahawks and almost cried, but! The eagles can have him, I want none o' him! I can't believe he still is gettin a career after being caught for that and put in jail.

Originally posted by mattaleao Originally posted by BRUIZZA Hey i was against the Haynesworth signing.  Hell I went to college with the guy and didn't like him then.  I was also at that game when he stomped on dude's face.  I still think what Vick did was messed up but I am not saying he doesn't deserve a second chance.  Hell Ray Lewis was implicated in murder and wasn't even suspended. We're on the same page then.  Good thing since we'll be state-mates soonish, i wanna be on a boat!

Yes, what he did was terrible but the fact that people get so upset about this, but not so much so when a human life is endangered is what I don't understand.

E.A.G.L.E.S. EAGLES.

Originally posted by giftedhands67 wish he woulda came out west. don't really care what the man did in his private life, he paid his dues to society, moreso than the average man would've had to.

Yes. Thank you. Too bad, though--he's all Philly's.

The question I have is - is this guy still any good considering he's been sitting in a jail cell for how long?

I imagine he's going to be a bit out of practice. I'm sure he's probably still in decent shape. I mean, he was in jail - not much to do but work out. how much practice has he really had with a football though?

Originally posted by mattaleao I hate him too, thats not my argument.  I just think people are entitled to second chances, and are allowed to try to make good on their past discrepancies.  If he screws up again, then im 100% with you.

I've had this discussion before, and it came down to the fact that he served his time and payed his debt to society so he should be allowed to have a second chance.

Originally posted by BethH I've had this discussion before, and it came down to the fact that he served his time and payed his debt to society so he should be allowed to have a second chance.

As much as I hate what he did. That is kind of how it works.
My hang up is - fine, he repaid his debt to society, and he should be allowed out of jail.

The question then becomes - what type of organization is the NFL that they have no problems looking the other way when it comes to serious lack of judgement and/or moral character. Vick sort of put that in the spotlight a little bit, but more and more over the years the NFL and the NBA have sort of catered to a very 'thug' sort of mentality with their players.
By not taking a stand, they essentially tell these players that it's okay to act in a way that would land most normal people in jail. I just can't really support that, at all.

Originally posted by giftedhands67 wait what? who was that NFL player who just KILLED somebody whilst drunk driving, and basically just paid the family off? the NFL isn't a church, its a sports league. He went bankrupt, went to prison.. what more do people really want from this man? If he repaid his debt to society, then isnt that all to be said about it? i mean, he didnt really repay his debt if people still want more blood from the man. what should his punishment be then, should he never be allowed to play football again, ever?

It's a reflection on the team, and the sport as a whole.

A lot of public personalities have morality clauses in their contracts for exactly this reason. If you want to go out and kill somebody in a DUI situation, that's fine - but we reserve the right to can your ass as a result.

What it says - is that the teams, and the league, literally support people who clearly show a lack of judgment and maturity.

Does that mean they should never be allowed to play again? No - I'm not saying that. I'm saying I think it's kind of sick that the guy can literally go from prison, straight back into a uniform.

I think its good for him he got reinstated. He did his time and should be able to play. Theres many people that have done much worse and still been able to play. It would have been nice to see him back in atlanta but i personaly like matt ryan better as a QB

i agree with gifted. he served his sentence, got out, and got a job doing what he does well. it just so happens that that particular job is playing football and pays very well.

the same people complaining are probably the same people crying for equality for "born again" ex-cons (not pointing fingers at anyone here, just speaking in general terms).

here's what i DO disagree with:

i don't believe Vick served enough time. yes, he spent near 3x more in jail for persons convicted of dog fighting (people in the South are statistically shown to spend an average of 6 months jail time for dog fighting convictions). but, i don't feel the actual sentence was enough, just like how i don't believe 6 months of jail time for sexual offenders is NEARLY enough either.

i also hate how much publicity he's getting. just like gifted stated, Donte Stallworth (from sacramento), hit and killed a man while driving under the influence. he spent 24 DAYS in jail and sent an undisclosed amount of money to the family. why are people not complaining about this?

i love animals. i love dogs. i see dogs as an extension of the family, but many people see them only as pets. taking that point of view into consideration, why are we making a much larger issue out of killing an animal than a human life? our priorities are obviously way out of whack.

Originally posted by xxsweet_jen24xx Originally posted by mattaleao I hate him too, thats not my argument.  I just think people are entitled to second chances, and are allowed to try to make good on their past discrepancies.  If he screws up again, then im 100% with you.   What about the dogs? They never had a chance at all.

a lot of the Vick dogs that were taken from his house went through extensive retraining and were all found good homes

Originally posted by esy.iam P.S. anyone want to make a friendly wager? i bet that if Vick plays any kind of a large part in the Eagles and having a winning record and/or doing well enough to go to the Bowl, talk of not wanting Vick anymore will be out the window. everyone will praise him like a god.

i believe Vick will deliver but it's too early to tell.  we shall see come week 6 if he will even play.  Mcnabb is injury prone so Vick might get to start sooner than later.

did anybody hear or know about Vick running a red light and hitting someone the night he got signed?  i guess its a hoax since i can't find anything on google

Originally posted by esy.iam i agree with gifted. he served his sentence, got out, and got a job doing what he does well. it just so happens that that particular job is playing football and pays very well. i love animals. i love dogs. i see dogs as an extension of the family, but many people see them only as pets. taking that point of view into consideration, why are we making a much larger issue out of killing an animal than a human life? our priorities are obviously way out of whack.

+1 I had some guy at a bar last night get all pissy with me because I supported Vick playing on the team. (I think he threw a table-marker in my general direction). Then I walked outside while he was out there, and we talked about it. He showed me pics of his pit bull that just died of cancer...  The guy was cute, too.

Anyways, even if dogs/animals are viewed as an extension of the family, a HUMAN life is a HUMAN life. No one protested Stallworth...

Originally posted by esy.iam definitely. i'm just saying, if he does play any kind of a large part in the Eagles' success this season especially a Super Bowl berth, everyone will have forgotten the whole dog fighting thing.

haha. He's playing for Philly...it'll be a love/hate relationship all season...depending on how he does. <3

Originally posted by NickinChicago Cheezy don't you know the Eagles sucks?

Crazy talk.

Out of curiosity, I looked up ticket info for a Giants-Eagles game. It's the Sunday after my bday in December...$203 for decent seats...could even get some in the lower end zone, but I think I'd want to be along the sides.


Cheezy Football Birthday Fund?
http://www.footballbabble.com/football/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/cheerleaders/eagles-cheerleaders.jpg
motivation/bribery.

*Thought maybe I should let this thread stay safe for work.

I wonder how the family of the person Stallworth hit/killed is doing. Someone should start a thread about that.

Is he a piece of sh*t, yeah, but you can't take away his entire life for the dogs. 

Where the heck do people get, "Should we have put him to death?" from what I have said? All I said was what about the dogs, I never said he didn't serve his time, or that he should never be allowed to have a job again. I didn't say anything like that, so don't twist my words around.

My only qualm with this situation is that people are so up in arms about this particular situation because it's the only of its kind that is known. I'm sure that there are countless athletes out there committing far worse atrocities that go unmentioned. I am with everyone else in saying that I do feel he paid for his crime in full if not more than that...had this been the average Joe you wouldn't seen half of America being up in arms...it would run in the local papers for a day or two and people would forget. Because of Vick's celebrity status his actions will FOREVER be remembered and he will continue to pay whether it be physically or mentally. We've all committed acts that people, had they known, would frown upon...but don't we expect to be given another opportunity?


Interesting video on 60 minutes: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5245553n

Originally posted by BRUIZZA Originally posted by Kieren24 I don't think he did anything specific to the dogs did he?  He was stupid and made some bad calls by allowing his place to be used but I don't think he was doing the training and putting the dogs in to fight was he?  There were plenty more people more explicitly involved who got off a lot lighter... I'm glad he is allowed to play, I hope he does amazingly well just to spite all the haters and self-righteous people who have clearly never made any mistakes in their lives. I am guessing you didn't pay a bit of shtooking attention to what went on and what he was charged with.  He MURDERED dogs that didn't perform well in DOG FIGHTS.  He ELECTROCUTED THEM, DROWNED THEM, AND HUNG THEM.  Yes HE did those things himself not just the other guys involved.  You know why they got off lighter???  They told the shtooking truth and didn't proclaim their innocence then only tell the truth once everyone else did like Vick.  So I guess all of us who think that is WRONG and is way worse than a mistake are just full of spite and hate.  Have I made mistakes and poor decisions before hell yes.  Have I willingly murdered animals because they did not do well at fighting other animals no I have not.

Originally posted by BRUIZZA Originally posted by Kieren24 I don't think he did anything specific to the dogs did he?  He was stupid and made some bad calls by allowing his place to be used but I don't think he was doing the training and putting the dogs in to fight was he?  There were plenty more people more explicitly involved who got off a lot lighter... I'm glad he is allowed to play, I hope he does amazingly well just to spite all the haters and self-righteous people who have clearly never made any mistakes in their lives. I am guessing you didn't pay a bit of shtooking attention to what went on and what he was charged with.  He MURDERED dogs that didn't perform well in DOG FIGHTS.  He ELECTROCUTED THEM, DROWNED THEM, AND HUNG THEM.  Yes HE did those things himself not just the other guys involved.  You know why they got off lighter???  They told the shtooking truth and didn't proclaim their innocence then only tell the truth once everyone else did like Vick.  So I guess all of us who think that is WRONG and is way worse than a mistake are just full of spite and hate.  Have I made mistakes and poor decisions before hell yes.  Have I willingly murdered animals because they did not do well at fighting other animals no I have not.

Think of all the ANTS! OMG! Kids are burning them everyday!

I love dogs just as much as the next person, but
Come on... he did something stupid and horrible, but he suffered the consequences. We need to move on. If he does it again, then this whole argument is moot he deserves it.

Why shouldn't he get a second chance? This guy is not crazy.. he was just stupid...

http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0824/vicksummary.pdf

that's the summary of facts that Vick agreed to. in line 13, it talks about killing the dogs and it states that Vick did NOT kill the dogs. or at least, he denies it. whether or not he killed them, it doesn't really matter. wrong is wrong, it's done with, and he's on the Eagles now.