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    Posted: Sep/09/2009 at 4:01pm
Hi all

I am a nubie to this my sons have just started and are flying along.

I need to work out how to buy a new board.

Iam interested in all mountain / Freestyle type riding
and weigh 85 kg
my height is 1654 cm (head to toe) and 1500 chin to toe is 1500cm.

I have been leaning to the lib tech skate banana ( I come from a surfing back ground) the rocker seems a natural thought process.
Bindings I was thinking the Flow 2010 Flow NXT-ATSE for ease.

Help Iam I in the right direction?
what other considerations should I look at when buying my firsst board and bindings?

all advice is greatly appreciated

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/09/2009 at 4:21pm
1. STAY AWAY FROM FLOW.  read this to learn why:
http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28600

the board is a fine choice.  the surf thing, though, really only comes into play if youre riding pow on a tapered (wider nose than tail) rocker board, as far as how it actually feels to ride.  the only other similarity is the concept of rocker being "more floaty."

i would look into your basic bindings from union, burton, rome, and maybe a couple others.

union force, union data, burton mission, burton cartel, rome 390, rome united.... all pretty much medium flex bindings, not too spendy, great all around.

that setup wont be hard to learn on, but it will also carry you through to a higher skill level.. which will be in years, but thats not the point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/10/2009 at 6:56pm
Ok I read your comments about flow, but you have no put forward any reasons or evidence to substanciate your reasons to dislike the product.

I understand your dislike for flow, but Why?

the board I am now looking at is a Lib tech skunk ape, but am a little unsure on size?     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/10/2009 at 7:23pm
i did.

number one, the speed-saving thing is a gimmick that doesnt matter.  think about it.  you saved 10-20 seconds, maybe.  did that make anything better?  no.  not at all.

number two, the bigger one, they compromise performance because of the way the highback is attached and set up, and the single strap is not as responsive and specific as two straps.



in short, they simply do not offer any REAL benefits over normal bindings whatsoever.  they are only a step down, plain and simple.  as i said, there is no reason whatsoever to get flows unless you are a 100% beginner that hardly rides and doesnt care about continuing to ride and improving your skills, or if youre old and have physical problems, but even then, you still have to bend over to pop the highback up.

conventional two strap bindings are better in every way.

why do you WANT flows?  do you have a real legitimate reason?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/10/2009 at 7:28pm
as for board size.. you are about 187 pounds and about 5'5" (im assuming you mean 1654mm, not cm.. otherwise youd be as tall as a 5 story building)

the skunk ape is made for people with big feet, and i wouldnt get it unless your boots are size 12 US or bigger.

at your weight, considering the fact that youre a beginner and you ride australia, i would probably put you on something like 156-158, so the 157 skunk ape if you end up with that.  but since you are heavy for your weight, your weight factors in more than usual, but not a ton.. so i would lean toward the 56 end.  as you progress into the years, youll figure out all your preferences and your preferred size may change, but thats a good starting size for now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/10/2009 at 7:31pm
very good board choice!
but dont get the flow bindings, the only good thing about them is that you can strap in fast.


Get a binding like burton cartel or union contact. i think you will be much happier with those choices.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/10/2009 at 7:39pm
Originally posted by burtonsno51

very good board choice!
but dont get the flow bindings, the only good thing about them is that you can strap in fast.

sure, but the point needs to be stressed that saving 10-20 seconds tops does absolutely nothing whatsoever, and i doubt its even that long.  strap bindings are so damn easy these days and drastically better performance-wise, which is the important part.

plus, in person, ive seen more people struggle with flows rather than have an easy time.  i just see people think theyre so damn cool for having flows and having an easy time, but they dont even know what theyre missing out on with good strap binders.

i used to think it was awesome when i had step ins back when i was 10-12, but my god am i glad i got on some straps after that and saw how much better it was.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/10/2009 at 9:13pm
Spenser pointed out a very good point. When you snowboard, it's performance that really matters. Lets put it this way, strapping in faster doesn't give you a better (quality) run done the slope. Take 10-20 seconds more to strap in and have a run that get you stoked is the essence of snowboarding. Like taking a heli up a mountain for only 1 good run is way better than doing 100 runs down your local ski resort.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2009 at 8:18pm
OK, OK, I hear what is being said about the time to bind- up and qulity of ride but I am not being told why you moved away from Flow and to (what ever you are using now)or why you don't like the flow bindings doid you have a bad experience?

I have re-accessed the board issue as my boot size is only 9 US I should probably float towards the lib tech 2010 Lib Tech TRS BTX in a 156 however the size chart says I should bea 162 do to my weigh being 187lbs. how did you work out I was a 156 Spencer?       
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2009 at 8:33pm
how are you not getting it?  i clearly stated why flow is no good, multiple times.  the time to strap in and the performance issue IS the reason why theyre no good.

as for size, there is no specific formula for board sizing.. it depends on a lot of things.  i told you why.  by your weight, youd be on a larger board, but as a beginner, its nicer to start out on a slightly shorter board.. and you ride in australia, and lets face it... youre not going to be on any serious terrain.. so a larger board is unnecessary.  also, because you are shorter for your weight (or heavy for your height, either way), your height does factor in a little bit, because you cant get as much leverage over the board as an average-height person for your weight.. so you knock the size down a little again.  thats why a board closer to 156 is going to be better for your specific case, but thats just my opinion.  if anything, i size boards slightly larger than most people ride, so im not cutting you short.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2009 at 8:40pm
Thanks Spencer!

Lets look at Union Contact/ Union force Verus Burton Cartel or mission.

breaking the down which way would you flow and why?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2009 at 8:58pm
i have had all of those bindings and ridden them extensively.

as far as more forgiving ("softer") to more responsive ("stiffer") it goes like this:

contact - mission - cartel/force.  the cartel and force are very very similar as far as how responsive they are.. i cant really tell a difference.  all that basically means is how quickly and strongly the bindings respond to your movements, and how supportive and powerful they are.

the contact is definitely the least responsive.. i love them, but only on a smaller softer board that i use for jibbing and messing around.

the mission is a great binding for the price, and probably between the contact and cartel/force as far as response/stiffness, but closer to the cartel/force.

the cartels are also a great binding for the price.. you get a little more than missions.. upgraded buckles, straps, materials.... they are an all around medium flex, good for anything, and youd probably enjoy them on the TRS BTX.

same goes for forces as cartels, but even more so.  the force is my favorite binding.  not soft, not stiff, just right in the middle.  good cushioning, awesome straps, damp (sucks up vibrations well), and i simply like everything more than any other binding ive had.



i would guess that you would be happy with any of them, but the best bang for your buck is probably forces.  union is an amazing company.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2009 at 9:07pm
Thanks for that Spencer You really have helped me make up my mind here

Hey! you are full of Knowledge. thanks

I'd probably go with the union force and the TRS BTX, sound well matched.     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2009 at 9:10pm
sounds like a rad choice.  something i would definitely ride myself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/12/2009 at 12:54am
Thanks to you Spencer, You made easier to make the right choice.

Cheers fella!!

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