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    Posted: Nov/24/2009 at 11:07am
I'm preparing for my first trip to CO this winter, and thought I remembered something about needing to set bindings back a bit for powder..any recommendations for it, or will I be fine with them centered up. It's on a 158 if it matters. Any advice would be appreciated!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/24/2009 at 11:18am
i think its personal pref, but i set mine back, depending on how deep, it just makes it easier for me to keep my nose up out of the pow, it does work you more though. i also have a couple dedicated pow boards. Hope it helped, have fun, watch those trees, they like to reach out and touch ya! and remember to breathe.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/24/2009 at 11:19am
It also depends on the shape of your board. With a tapered shape you wouldn't necessarily have to set your stance back.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/24/2009 at 11:20am
Originally posted by Oorko

I'm preparing for my first trip to CO this winter, and thought I remembered something about needing to set bindings back a bit for powder..any recommendations for it, or will I be fine with them centered up. It's on a 158 if it matters. Any advice would be appreciated!
 
If you have a powder day, yes it would probably help if you moved your stance back.   Depends on your board too though. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/24/2009 at 11:31am
any tapered board will have a setback stance already.

with twins or boards with centered inserts, of course it helps to set them back.. more surface area in the front to float, and less in the back, to sink.  however, when you set them back a significant amount, it can start to feel weird.  even if im riding a centered-insert board as my all-around board (like my indoor for example) i still set it up so i have one inch more nose (which is a half inch setback).. i also did that with my uninc in 08... one day i wanted to try it set all the way back just to see how it felt, and i ended up with something like 3" or so more nose than tail.  it made a bit bigger difference, but still wasnt that drastic, and it felt kinda funky on firm snow or groomers.  nothing i couldnt get used to, but it just didnt have a natural feel to it.

if you normally ride centered, try having 1" more nose, then 2," then mix it up more.  its all preference, and you have to experiment to find yours.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/24/2009 at 4:17pm
I dont believe its a tapered board. 2006 burton custom. I'll try the 1 inch then move back from there if needed I suppose.

Another dumb question, since I've never been to Colorado and am used to hard packed man-made snow..I envision tons and tons of soft powder everywhere on all runs..is it actually like that, or more packed down (unless it snows of course)? If I dont sink down much at all I may keep it centered up, as I have no idea what to expect with handling with it set back...although with it offset only an inch I wouldn't think it would feel too out of whack. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/24/2009 at 4:31pm
         i believe your board is already setback 2.5 cm (1 inch).  For me that would be fine for california cuz i usually just ride centered (not even setback at all).  But in CO, im not sure, but i think the powder is drieer and lighter and youd want the setback.  But like i said i think your board already has a setback. 
       On a powder day if its like california, there will also be some runs that are groomed (packed down) but those will be soft.  And most runs will be nice fluffy powder.  Get there early cuz it gets tracked out easy, but less easy if its really light.  Cuz when its really light it just gets pushed around, not packed down.  Its really awesome when its light, which we dont get too much in Cali. 
      Depending on how deep it is you might wanna set it back even more, but i would say probably only if its real deep like 3 feet of dry fluff.
      I often ride a centered board in powder, its comfortable for me with the Tahoe "cement".
     Also if i measured correctly, the inserts have 3/4 inch spaces.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/24/2009 at 4:33pm
i forgot, your binding angles.  some people change them for powder. like more towards 15 and 0, rather than a duck foot stance.  i ride duck, but its more tiring.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/24/2009 at 4:54pm
What you'll find with powder riding is a few things:
Your back leg is going to BURN from pushing your tail down so your nose can float through the powder.  There a few things you can do to help. 
-setting you bindings as far back as possible is going to help because it's less board that you have to apply pressure to.
-you get more nose to float up in the powder
-sizing up your snowboard helps to give you more float in the powder.

Advances in design/tech: (you'll survive fine with the set up above, but to fill you in on new stuff)
-powder snowboards today are designed with a tapered shape.  Where the nose is really wide and big and the tail is a small pin tail.  The concept is that the big nose gives you float, the tapered shape lets you carve and the small tail is...well smaller so there is less pressure needed to be applied, thus no leg burn.  I've been on the malolo in the powder the last 4 years and it's been a world of difference.  
-camber: believe it or not the reverse camber works in the powder.  I've only had one day in powder on the joystick, but it worked.  Don't have enough to report on, but the arced shaped gives you great float through the powder

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/24/2009 at 5:12pm
thatll be an issue of density.

If youre applying pressure on a smaller area, its more dense so you sink more. Throw in a pivot at a point setback from the center and you increase that pressure (and because its pivoting - ie. linked - you thereby reduce the pressure on the point at the nose). You now have TWO things keeping your nose up and sinking your tail in. While youre there, throw in a rocker, and it becomes even harder to sink that nose. Basic physics... and i failed basic physics :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/24/2009 at 5:45pm
Actually we need more scientists here to explain stuff like this. Like why does rocker work in powder, is it because of friction? But surely the pressure is the same at the contact point with the snow than if it wasnt rocker and the contact was further up the board. What i mean is, if the boards horizontal, theres the same friction than if its vertical isnt it? Its just more condensed into a single point rather than spread out?

See, this is why im an arts grad and failed physics :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/26/2009 at 8:41pm
don't mess with your board until you are there, ride your normal setup (bring a tool with you). unless it dumps while you're there your good on the packed powder conditions. If it's gonna dump 10" or more try the set back, riding in pow is totally different then riding on groomers, you dont lean foward instead lean back and you don't use your edges to turn you are really using the plane of the board, much more like surfing, you'll totally dig it if you get the opportunity. beware it is highly addicting! pray for snow!!!
oh yeah, the deeper the pow the steeper the terrain. I normally cruise the blues and blacks on groomer days, but on pow days it's blacks and doubles, "steep and deep"!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/26/2009 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by ippollite

Actually we need more scientists here to explain stuff like this. Like why does rocker work in powder, is it because of friction? But surely the pressure is the same at the contact point with the snow than if it wasnt rocker and the contact was further up the board. What i mean is, if the boards horizontal, theres the same friction than if its vertical isnt it? Its just more condensed into a single point rather than spread out?

See, this is why im an arts grad and failed physics :)

Think of a beachball and a sheet of plastic on the surface of water. The beachball will sit up higher in the water due to how the curve acts towards the surface tension of the water. Rocker creates the same situation as a beachball. From the contact point you have the tip and the tail going away from the surface tension of the snow (water). Done.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/04/2010 at 12:38am
Well I mean, is not binding v rocker back into the position? (I also have joystick.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/04/2010 at 12:50am
i have no idea what you were just trying to say.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/04/2010 at 12:59am
Deep snow doing the bindings back to 1-2 cm? V-rockers let centered, or back to 1-2?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/04/2010 at 1:03am
im still not sure what youre asking, sorry.  do you mean should you still set the bindings back even if the board is reverse camber?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/04/2010 at 1:05am
I think hes asking if he should push his bindings back on his joystick a couple of notches for deep pow, or if it'll run fine anyway :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/04/2010 at 1:20am
Yes this is my question. Sorry for the bad writing, I'm Hungarian, I speak a little English, just like a snowboard, I need help! Thank you!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/04/2010 at 1:23am
got it.

its all preference.  a rocker board is going to float better in powder than a cambered board, but you can still set your bindings back a little.  personally i would still set them back like normal.. its only going to make riding powder even easier, so thats a good thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/04/2010 at 7:49am
I before used to setback 1.5" on my cambered board for pow but with a rocker board i keep it the same for everything and just lean back like a very small butter. and rocker somewhat naturally floats which helps a lot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/04/2010 at 8:03am
I would say that you should set your high backs with a lot of forward lean to help on carves and you should certainly set your angles at either 0-0 or adjusted slightly forward. I usually ride with my feet at +15-0 so something like that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/04/2010 at 8:25am
from what I've read, CO gets a very consistent snow - meaning it gets closer to a couple inches every day than a couple feet, all at once, every 2 weeks, like we do in CA.  Your chances of scoring a big dump on your short trip to CO are probably not that great...but there's nothing wrong with a thin blanket of fresh every day, either.

anyway, my (camber) pow board has taper and the inserts set waaay back.  Even with all this, I still have to push my bindings all the way to the back to get a perfect balance in deep pow (feet), yet I still ride it comfortably like that on groomers.

not much worse than adjusting equipment all day you're at the mountain.  You might want to just leave your board set up the way you ride it comfortably at home....then, if you score a dump in CO and feel off balance (falling all the time) shove your bindings all the way to the back and work up from there, if necessary.


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