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    Posted: Mar/03/2010 at 9:25pm
Hi, I have with me some new 2010 burton hails in size 9.5 and size 10. I'm planning on returning or selling one of them. I know its only half a size difference, but I already went through a bad boot this season and, I really don't want to have to re-buy another boot yet again. I normally wear sizes 9-10 shoes depending on the brand.


So, here's how they feel...

The size 9.5:

When I have them in and tightened, the toe's are just glazing the end. When I strap on the board and lean heelside, my toe does slightly start to scrunch at the tip.

The overall feel is pretty rigid and tight. Right off the bat, there's a bit of pressure on the top of the foot. It kinda feels like the circulation is getting cut off a bit and the fatigue does start to grow the longer I have them on. I'm wondering if this is only because it hasn't started to break in yet, especially since I haven't tested it on an actual ride down the mountain...

Also, I have not gotten snowboarding socks yet so I'm worried this will make the overall fit even tighter and more uncomfortable.

The best thing about the 9.5 is that there is pretty much no heel lift.



The size 10:

When I have them in and tightened, the toe's are maybe just a half a cm away from the front. When I strap on the board and lean heelside, then my toes scooch up a bit and it feels like they're touching the front. My toes feel like they have the perfect amount of wiggle right now.

The overall feel is almost perfect right off the bat. It holds my foot tightly, but in a more of a soft padded squeeze kind of way. I wonder if the toe distance from the front is really a huge deal if every other part of the boot feels snug and tight.

With snowboarding socks on, I think they'll feel even more perfect. I'm really just worried that after breaking them in, they will get too loose. Then again, maybe I can retighten up the fit by getting thicker socks and a pair of green Superfeets...?

The 10 does have slightly more heel lift than the 9.5, but still much less than anything else i've tried.



For the last half hour while typing this, I've had the 10 on my left foot and the 9.5 on my right foot (with bindings on too).
-My right foot definitely has more fatigue right now from the tighter squeeze. Its getting slightly numb.
-My left foot still feels great. I feel like it can sit like this all day long.


It's safe to say that at this point, the 10 definitely feels better. They really are the most comfortable boots i've ever put on.

What it really comes down to is:

-whether or not things are gonna drastically change for the 9.5 after riding a few times in them.

-whether its really a huge deal or not to stick to this rule of having your toe's touching the front of the boot when you first put them on. (this is just what i hear from friends...)

-And even if the 10 gets looser after a few rides, can it just be easily fixed with some Superfeet and thicker socks.


Again, I know I'm making a big fuss over only half a foot size difference, but I really don't want to encounter any more suprises with snowboard boots. Too many bad experiences this season with a previous boot, and too much money wasted. It really is a lot of dough for me especially having also bought all kinds of other snowboarding gear too. By the way, this is my first season of snowboarding and buying gear, so I really don't have the experience or foresight to know what's best in the long run. I'm the type of person that buys a product and sticks with it for a long time so I want to make sure that what I get is good. So please let me know what you guys think. Thanks!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/03/2010 at 9:51pm
How odd, I just went through something really similar that might help you.

At the beginning of the season, I was debating between size 9.5 and size 10 Ozones.  My toes were probably the same distance from the front as yours in the size 10's, and the fit was really comfortable.  With the J-bars, I had no heel lift, and everything was dandy.  I ended up buying the size 10's. 

After about 7 days of riding, though, the boots packed out a bit more than I expected them to.  I was getting some serious heel lift, and going toe side was getting more and more difficult.  My arches started killing me, too, so I knew those insoles were probably flat as could be already.  Last week, I thew in some Superfeet greens and tried a new pair of socks, and they actually did make a difference.  There's noticeably less heel lift (although I can still feel it a little bit), and the Superfeet definitely helped with the arch pain.  Problem solved.

If I had to do it again, I think I would've gone with the 9.5's.  If you can you loosen them a little bit, that might help with the circulation problem, and they WILL pack out.  However, if you feel like the size 10's would be more comfortable, you can just stick with them and do the Superfeet/thicker socks solution that I did and still be fine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/03/2010 at 9:57pm
This is going to sound very weird, but usually i'm a 9/9.5 in burton/forum boots. Thing is, when I tried on some hails in a store, I fit in a size 8. No pressure, a little tight but comfy...very weird.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/04/2010 at 3:17am
Panzer, your situation does sound very similar. I still debating, but I'm leaning towards the 10. I pretty much had the 9.5's very loose when I was trying them on, relying very little on the laces for the bottom section.

Civic, i duno what to say. Sounds really odd. If i went down to a 9 it would definitely be too tight.

Anyone know a nice thick sock to help size up your foot?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/04/2010 at 2:11pm
I went to the sports chalet today and put in a pair of size 10 superfeets into my size 10 burtons to test the feel. The base does feel sturdier and more rigid. But i'm not sure its really getting rid of heel lift. Do I need to size up the superfeets?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/04/2010 at 2:22pm
It seems you should be better off with size 9.5
try to tighten the inner liner so your toe don't cramp up towards front of the boots. and also i'm not sure how you put on your boots but once
your feet are in the boots try tapping the heel on the ground so your heel goes further back as possible and tighten the inner liner again because when your inner liner isnt tighten correctly you feet can have slight movements, which is something that shouldn't be moving..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/04/2010 at 9:39pm
The Superfeet won't help with heel lift much (if at all), but I still recommend them for the arch support, especially once that stock insole packs out.

Try the Burton Buffer sock.  That's the one I started using, and it's well padded.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/05/2010 at 10:34am
ok thanks. I'm actually gonna stick to the 9.5's. I think a full days ride should make a difference.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/05/2010 at 10:54am
to me it sounds like the 9.5 is the better fit of the two, but its not a good fit if youre getting those pressure points.  it depends how bad they are though, cause if its just mild pressure points, that could possibly be taken care of after breaking them in.

also, if your toes are moving that much when you turn heelside, the boots arent holding your feet enough.  i wore 8.5 in burton rulers all last year and in the beginning of this year.. my toes touched the end when standing and were still grazing just a little when bending my legs, but when i turned heelside they didnt smash into the end, because they held my feet well enough.

its not just about sizing, because you can find your correct size in every boot.. but that doesnt mean they actually fit well.  it doesnt sound like hails fit you well enough.  and the 10 is definitely too big based on what you said.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/05/2010 at 11:30am
not to mention the socks are usually thinner than the regular socks so you should be good with 9.5.

i wear the thinner socks on my left foot cause it was uncomfortable with the reg. socks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/18/2010 at 4:36pm
Id get the 10 because if you do park or anything else you dont want your toes slamming the front of the boot. 
Just can't live that negative way... make way for the positive day.
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