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    Posted: Apr/23/2010 at 12:46pm
Hi folks,
 
I bought this Soy based wax and it slapped (hot wax'ed) it on my Capita Indoor Survival just before the last day of the season.  For some reason, after two runs, all the wax on the sides were gone.  I am not sure if it's the wax or my snowboard's base is damaged to a point such that it no longer obsorb any wax.  The sides of the base basically turned white, it was like didn't wax it at all.
 
The last day of seaon was really hot and the snow is very sticky.  Even though I wax'ed my board the day before, I had hard time making pass the flats.  The wax is all temperature rub on wax and it's made from Soy.  I was not sure if I can use rub-on wax to hot wax my snowboard, but it was working fine during the season.
 
Before waxing my snowboard, I did an hot scrap to remove the old wax and clean the base with base cleaner.  I read somewhere that base cleaner can actually damage the base.  Is this true?
 
I want to know if the wax I am using is not very good for the hot and slushy condition and if the base of snowboard is damaged beyond repair.  Help would be much appreciated.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/23/2010 at 12:58pm
probably a combination of things:

1. maybe don't hot wax with "rub-on" wax
2. maybe you didn't iron it in long enough
3. spring conditions are notorious for eating wax quickly (ideally, you have to hot wax after every day and maybe even use rub-on throughout the day)
4. base cleaner/stripping out the old wax probably didn't help the longevity of your wax job
5. no matter how good your wax is, really warm/super slushy conditions will be horribly slow

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/23/2010 at 2:43pm
Spring conditions usually super icy in the AM and late PM w/super slush in between. The ice causes a bunch of abrasion, especially around the edges, so one can expect considerably show of abrasion after a day or riding. Soy wax is supposed to be pretty hard to scrape... are you sure you got it all off? Excess wax on the base will create drag.

You might be surprised to hear this, but I've heard that a bunch of the Bear Mountain local riders don't use wax at all towards the very end of the season. If your base looks heavily abraded give it a good wax and buff and restore it to a fresh appearance. It's really no thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/23/2010 at 4:47pm
If you used a base cleaner before waxing, your board could absorb a lot more wax than usual.   You probably needed to spend a little more time heating it, so it really soaked in.  Also, as Dave pointed out, Soy wax tends to be hard to scrape.  There is a good chance your base structure was clogged up with wax, which will really slow you down in spring conditions.  Also, I have never felt like the soy wax I've tried has been as fast as normal hot waxes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/23/2010 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by Piranha

probably a combination of things:

1. maybe don't hot wax with "rub-on" wax
2. maybe you didn't iron it in long enough
3. spring conditions are notorious for eating wax quickly (ideally, you have to hot wax after every day and maybe even use rub-on throughout the day)
4. base cleaner/stripping out the old wax probably didn't help the longevity of your wax job
5. no matter how good your wax is, really warm/super slushy conditions will be horribly slow

...and then some


#1 is the only issue he had.  DO NOT HOT WAX WITH RUB ON WAX!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/23/2010 at 5:21pm
if it was OBJ's soybean wax then it can be used either way.  its all hotwax, but you can rub it on too, and they put that on the package..  rub on wax is the same thing anyway, is it not?  as long as its not paste..

the main thing may have been the base cleaner.  hotscraping and base cleaner are used for the same purpose, so you basically cleaned your base twice, but the base cleaner was what was unnecessary.  that takes out all the old wax from your base so you start empty, and will need to wax a few times just to refill all the pores.

all that being said, we sell both the OBJ mesofast and biogreen soy waxes and everyone thats bought it locally hasnt really had anything  good to say about it.  try some regular wax, and wax your deck a few times to get it nice and moist in there.... mmmmmmmm....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/23/2010 at 5:24pm
I've had luck with Magical Go-Go soy wax, it felt every bit as fast as a fluoro-containing wax.

Right now, since the base cleaner cleaned out whatever wax was left on the base and what was in it as well, you're better off getting more wax and doing a few wax and scrape cycles to resoak the base. Save the soy wax for the last wax and leave it on if your season is over. Get a good all-temp wax or a yellow ski wax to replenish the base - iron on the wax, let it sit for a good while, scrape off and repeat this as many times as you can.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/24/2010 at 5:12am
ya as everyone else said i think it was just the spring conditions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/24/2010 at 5:15am
not sure but it sounds like base burn to me.

http://www.skiwax.ca/tp/whitepatch.php
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/24/2010 at 5:47am
It's probably all of the above.
Spring conditions (frozen groomers in the morning turning into slush in the afternoon) are the worst for wax. Soy-based waxes don't seem to hold as long.

Another thing is the Capita sintered base IMO. I've noticed this throughout the season, my Ultrafear requires frequent waxing...after a fresh wax (I've tried multiple waxes) I can only go 2 days before the base is white. Just last week I went to Mammoth for a 4 day trip. Rode the first day on my Ultrafear in spring conditions. Rode the next 3 days in my NS SL-R in warmer conditions. I waxed both decks days before the trip. As expected my Capita base had noticeable streaks of white. My NeverSummer held up much better with 3x the days. In all fairness, I used Bluebird all-temp on the Capita and OBJ F-1 on the NS but I've used the OBJ on the Capita deck before with quick loss of wax prompting me to try a different brand.

You're just going to have to be more diligent with frequent waxing.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/24/2010 at 5:56am
Originally posted by nthach

I've had luck with Magical Go-Go soy wax, it felt every bit as fast as a fluoro-containing wax.


I think that stuff is crap --- slowed my decks waaaay down.  Never again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/24/2010 at 8:05am
thanks for the feedbacks.

Eh.  What's done's done.  Hopefully, it's not base burn.

I am going to hang up all of my boards for this season.  Time to wax more snowboards.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/24/2010 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by tobs

thanks for the feedbacks.

Eh.  What's done's done.  Hopefully, it's not base burn.

I am going to hang up all of my boards for this season.  Time to wax more snowboards.

rewax your board.  if the white goes away, you probably didnt damage it.
but again: dont iron on rub-on wax.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/24/2010 at 5:50pm
K8 - the stuff actually worked fine with Sierra cement that I've encountered later on this past season. However, I did mix some older Ethica all soy wax with the Magical Go-Go stuff and it did slow me down a tiny bit for the first few runs last week at Sugar Bowl until it burnished off.
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