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    Posted: May/26/2010 at 5:57am
Currently listening to the House Hearing on Off Shore Drilling, they're questioning Secretary Salazar regarding MMS (Mineral Management Service), which is an agency in the Department of the Interior.  Its clear that there needs to be changes to how "leases" are handed out.  Unfortunately MMS has had a history of corrupt and criminal activity. 
Congressman Miller made some very important remarks regarding the history of oil spills.  Time and time again when a spill happens the company in charge makes a lot of false promises and assurances.  "When the oil hits the water, the people lose."  The technology of extracting oil is miles ahead of the technology and techniques that are in place currently to clean up spills.  You would think that for every advancement in drilling technology would mean an equivalent type of advancement in oil clean up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 7:01am
theres a level of complacency that these companies get to where they think "oh, if something happens, the BOP (blow out preventer) will handle it" or whatever other "safety" device is being used.  unfortunately, human error is always going to be a part of it.  when that happens, seems like all they can do is point fingers at who made the error.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 9:55am
BP has decided to go ahead with "Top Kill".  You can watch a live stream from the UUV (unmanned underwater vehicle): http://globalwarming.house.gov/spillcam
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 10:19am
dlaw thanks for the link and all the info in the thread. What exactly am I looking at here though? I see what appears to be the machinery at the well site on the ocean floor. Other than the camera panning back and forth, I don't see any other movement. Did the kill shot stop the leak, and thats why I can't see it? Or did BP just prove that they are as good as photographers as they are engineers...and I really just can't see anything (like a leak?...its been 10 minutes...).

edit: I see, it is from the unmanned underwater vehicle. Must just be away from anything exciting right now...I'll stay tuned.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 10:41am
I read this morning that BP had a few warning signs hours before the explosion took place to lead to all of this. They need to hold all the CEO's and workers who overlooked all of the safety and warning signs personally responsible for this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 12:43pm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 12:48pm
how about holding the employees of the government agencies that where suppose to be overseeing these operations responsible, oh thats right, they dont work for the government anymore, they work for the oil companies. there is really only one person to blame, and some call him W.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 12:55pm
I love it how the greedy oil companies can pretty much do whatever they want without any kinds of checks or oversight. They invest their money into extracting more oil at a faster rate without ever caring about what happens if a spill occurs. Since they control Washington they're allowed to continue with their slimy operations, and there's nothing the public can do since we're so dependent on oil in our daily lives. There's a 3-letter word that was the likely reason for the whole situation in the middle east, and it isn't WMD.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 12:58pm
^^ (2 above) oh I disagree. Dubya did a lot of damage to environmental policy in the states, but he is for sure not the only one responsible (also, I am pretty sure none of the decisions he made were really 'his' in the long run anyway...that could be for another thread).

Also, environmental disasters and corporate neglagence was popppin long before george; (once again, the valdez spill has yet to be fully reclaimed or paid-out...that was in the early 90s).

There are a lot of people to blame...but likely none of them will face any really penalties (other than BP corporate penalties, if that). And if that is the case, I could argue that the current administration is just as guilty as anyone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 1:03pm
Originally posted by McNack

There are a lot of people to blame...but likely none of them will face any really penalties (other than BP corporate penalties, if that). And if that is the case, I could argue that the current administration is just as guilty as anyone.


Exactly. I highly doubt that the current (or GW) administration had much of any DIRECT effect on oil company regulations or sanctions placed on them. I'm sure they all have lobbyists that hound the congressmen about matters relating to them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 1:04pm
oh yeah, there is one other person to throw in there, some call him Dick, i call him lord vader, but to blame this current administration for the corporate quid pro quo, that was taking place in the interior dept. over the past 8 yrs is ridiculous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 1:12pm
Originally posted by eldolocal68

oh yeah, there is one other person to throw in there, some call him Dick, i call him lord vader, but to blame this current administration for the corporate quid pro quo, that was taking place in the interior dept. over the past 8 yrs is ridiculous.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 1:17pm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 1:18pm
fair enough. But it's naive to think that the majority of the current administration isn't conducting business as per the last 8 years anyway (often, a lot of the same people). They just happen to be the ones, in this case, that had this big disaster on their watch.

Your right though, the "corporate quid pro quo" was prolific in the past 8 years, but I forsee BP facing similar reprocussions as if it were the same administration. And as I said, if thats the case, the current admin handing out the penalities is more responsible than Dick and George of previous...singling them out is ridiculus

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 1:24pm
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boycott BP.
Do you know how many gas stations buy their gas from BP but aren't BP stations? Even if everyone boycotted all BP stations, it wouldn't matter because non-BP stations FAR outnumber BP-owned stations.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by eldolocal68

how about holding the employees of the government agencies that where suppose to be overseeing these operations responsible, oh thats right, they dont work for the government anymore, they work for the oil companies. there is really only one person to blame, and some call him W.

I have heard it goes back to the original forming of NAFTA which is under Clinton. Bottom line they are all corrupt, It's part of being a politician, that's what they do, deal with lobbyist. 

I also heard, and I don't know if this has already been said, but we are the only country that allows companies to drill without a emergency shut-off, but if bp were to drill some where else legally they would have to have one. That means oil lobbyist paid off some politicians instead of paying for shut off valves.

All that innocent marine life that will be forever changed is so horrible and massive I can't even grasp the whole thing yet, it's to tragic. I just watched a program on coral reefs and how they are becoming endangered and now all those reefs in that area are going to be absorbing crude with no means to swim away. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 2:28pm
^^ I don't think there are any reefs that close to the coast, but there are most certainly reefs off the coast of Mexico and Key West. I've heard that it's possible for the spill to round FL and run up the east coast in the Gulf Stream current.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 4:08pm
It is definitely a tragedy. And what's worse is that BP is starting to admit that they knew it was going to happen (they saw bubbles in the oil wells)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 8:37pm
wow amazing..
all they care about is the $$$..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 8:43pm
bp is so shtooked lol
on the news the other day they showed a racy video of bp and how obama supports it--they called it "Barack's Pals"
I thought it was a little over the top to show on the news but they never show anything newsworthy on the news anymore...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 8:49pm
What I don't get is why people are angry at the WH about this? BP f-upped badly and and now they are taking forever to stop the leak. It's now reached the coast and lots of animals are dying. Unforgivable
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/2010 at 10:10pm
i just hope they can get it fixed...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 2:14am
hey BobzoR, what news were you watching? Fox noise? Cause that so called "news" network is definitely not news.(but bp, was a large contributor to obama senate campaign). I wish they would just fix it!
back in the 70's,off the coast of mexico, there was a spill like this and it took 90 days to stop it, they used all the same methods to stop it, top hat(sombrero), top kill, etc. none of it worked, and it was only in 200 ft. of water. How did they stop it? relief wells.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 2:34am
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What I don't get is why people are angry at the WH about this? BP f-upped badly and and now they are taking forever to stop the leak. It's now reached the coast and lots of animals are dying. Unforgivable
Yes it is BP's fault but its also the government's responsibility to oversee how the operations of these companies work.  "The Department of Interior is responsible for the management and conservation of most federals land."  As I said in my earlier post there has been a long history of corrupt behavior in the Mineral Management Service which includes this administration and many prior administrations.  We can only trust and rely on these companies to "do the right thing" to a certain extent, ultimately it's the governments job to make sure everything is done in a "kosher" manner which means putting more pressure on BP from the very start.  We can all agree 5 weeks is completely unacceptable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 3:51am
I wonder how many cars the lost oil could have powered.Way to go BP, just another greedy company that only cares about making money. What about the families that make a living from fishing off the Gulf coasts? I don't see BP compensating them now that their livelihood has been completely destroyed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 4:09am
Early results are showing that "Top Kill" is indeed working, the oil well pressure has dropped dramatically.  They're waiting for the pressure to drop to zero so they can pump in cement to permanently stop the leak.

The Coast Guard had initially estimated the leak was releasing about 5,000 barrels of oil a day (1 barrel = 42 Gallons).  However, a third party independent agency will be releasing a report today that says it was closer to 10,000+ barrels a day.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 4:15am
just to put it into perspective, a decent sized field in full production mode at the start (when pressure and hence production is highest) will be around 20-30k barrels per day.

shocking really.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 4:23am
I never noticed this, but it takes 1 barrel of oil (42 gallons) to produce roughly 20 gallons of gasoline. Also, the Federal gasoline tax is 18.4 cents per gallon and the average State tax is 21.72 cents per gallon. That's BIG money when you consider that In 2008, the United States consumed about 137.80 billion gallons (or 3.28 billion barrels) of gasoline, about 3% less than the record high of about 142.35 billion gallons (or 3.39 billion barrels) consumed in 2007.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 4:29am
even though oil produces only 50% gasoline, there are so many other parts in gasoline that we use everyday. Things like candles, ashphalt and all that other stuff are derived from oil. And those too also produce butt loads of money. Like candles sell for a few dollars, when it costs them literally pennies to produce.

And that oil spill is a shame, so much damage to the environment.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 4:37am
Unbelievable how many lives this will effect. Not just people in the region - they'll simple be hit hardest =/
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 4:42am
The entire situation is messed up. BP is not taking responsibility and the government should have had better regulations but instead they took money from BP and let BP do whatever they wanted. It was only a matter of time before something like this would happen. Unfortunately it is already too late to save a lot of the wildlife and reefs that will die because of the oil. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 4:54am
Originally posted by azn_dan

even though oil produces only 50% gasoline, there are so many other parts in gasoline that we use everyday. Things like candles, ashphalt and all that other stuff are derived from oil. And those too also produce butt loads of money. Like candles sell for a few dollars, when it costs them literally pennies to produce.

And that oil spill is a shame, so much damage to the environment.



Yup, it really is amazing how many items come from crude oil.They make a TON of money from refining oil, it's not even funny. I thought this was interesting, I'm sure the US Supreme Court will only require BP to pay a portion of the damages just like it did with Exxon for the Valdez.

For now, at least, BP’s prodigious costs combating the oil spill in the Gulf are outweighed by prodigious profits.

On Monday, BP said it spent $350 million in the first 20 days of the spill response, about $17.5 million a day. By contrast, in the first quarter of the year, the London-based oil giant’s profits averaged $93 million a day.

The amount of oil leaking into the Gulf of Mexico has been estimated at 5,000 to 25,000 barrels a day. In the first quarter, BP produced 2.5 million barrels of crude oil a day worldwide — and it received $71.86 for every barrel.

At $93 million a day in profits, BP makes $350 million in about 3.8 days. The Washington Post noted that Exxon, through a decision by the Supreme Court, was able to pay only $507.5 million of the original $5 billion in punitive damages that it had been assessed for the 1989 Valdez disaster.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 4:56am
Originally posted by stehoul199

The entire situation is messed up. BP is not taking responsibility and the government should have had better regulations but instead they took money from BP and let BP do whatever they wanted. It was only a matter of time before something like this would happen. Unfortunately it is already too late to save a lot of the wildlife and reefs that will die because of the oil. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 5:50am
superrorb that as a great post. It really enlightened me to what was going on. I thought $17.5 mil a day was a lot, but that is less than a quarter of what they are making.

I heard on the radio this morning some interviews with local commercial fisherman, and it got me thinking about the immediate indirect deficits that are already occuring. An area the size of Greece has already been closed to fishing (it increased this week), I can imagine that in an area like the golf this could be a lot of fisherman. This has been 5 weeks of fisherman not working, as well as all the shipping, processing, selling of the catch...I bet that is in the ballpark of millions in pay not being paid (maybe more?). Also, this one poor guy was talking about how he's laid off his whole crew, and they all have bills to pay and some kids in college. They are going to have a really tough time. This loss in pay and other industry expenses likely won't be taken care of for a while.

I am really glad to hear the kill shot is working. If it holds up, maybe we wont have to take 5 weeks to figure it out a solution next time.
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So tired of these idiots trusting evil corporations to govern themselves and do the right thing. 
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^^ Well, BP isn't going to reimburse the fishermen their lost wages even though they are most definitely directly responsible. I don't care if it was an accident; if someone accidentally drove into my car then they're liable for my medical bills and costs to repair my car. Unfortunately, without going to court, the locals that depend on the sea are SOL because there is no way in hell that greedy BP is going to do the right thing. They haven't so far, why would they start now?
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Originally posted by dlaw

Early results are showing that "Top Kill" is indeed working, the oil well pressure has dropped dramatically.  They're waiting for the pressure to drop to zero so they can pump in cement to permanently stop the leak.

The Coast Guard had initially estimated the leak was releasing about 5,000 barrels of oil a day (1 barrel = 42 Gallons).  However, a third party independent agency will be releasing a report today that says it was closer to 10,000+ barrels a day.
Yes this is great news!  Hopefully they are able to cement it over and permanently seal that thing.  Thank goodness!
 
Unfortunately during house hearing a Purdue professor testafied that the leak had grown to 70000 - 120000 barrels (5 million gallons) a day at the end.
 
"Steve Wereley from Purdue University said he is confident that the rate is an "order of magnitude" higher than the BP estimate. He said, he can see no scenario where the BP estimate is accurate. He said his current estimate is in the range of 70,000 to 120,000 barrels per day."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 6:01am
Originally posted by azn_dan

even though oil produces only 50% gasoline, there are so many other parts in gasoline that we use everyday. Things like candles, ashphalt and all that other stuff are derived from oil. And those too also produce butt loads of money. Like candles sell for a few dollars, when it costs them literally pennies to produce.

And that oil spill is a shame, so much damage to the environment.

Plastic is one of the main petroleum products.  Without oil there is no plastic and plastic is used in everything these days (including almost every type of snowboarding equipment).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 6:02am
this spill is insane, why didn't they have a backup plan for something like this? like another barrier between the pipe and the water? or something
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 6:06am
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this spill is insane, why didn't they have a backup plan for something like this? like another barrier between the pipe and the water? or something


...because they weren't required to. They relied on the safety shutoff valve to solve all their problems, but it of course failed.
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Originally posted by bgilboards

this spill is insane, why didn't they have a backup plan for something like this? like another barrier between the pipe and the water? or something


...because they weren't required to. They relied on the safety shutoff valve to solve all their problems, but it of course failed.
 
yeah..their "backup plan" failed and 5 weeks later nothing...im suprised at how slow they are going...stop talking and blaming and get this fixed first
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Keep up the good work BP.
 
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Someone ought to die for this
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 10:54am
God that's depressing. Anybody know of any organizations organizing volunteers to help with the cleanup - I've got a month before I start a job and wouldn't mind helping out.
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Originally posted by barnyard

boycott bp


That would mean boycotting all petroleum products which is just not possible. Plastic is created from oil, and we both know that you cannot boycott gasoline AND plastics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 11:50am

i heard there trying to do something with hair because it absorbes oils very well

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 11:54am
The SNL skit last weekend was pretty funny. These "ideas" there coming up with to stop the leak really are like they're asking a 5 year old. I mean shooting used tires at the leak is really absurd.... W. Bush must be advising them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 12:06pm

BP knew that it was going to explode and they trying to pretend like they don't know anything.

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Jared should send his hair after he got it cut yesterday, it would do a world of good
The 'GINGERS HAVE SOULS' kid is crazy..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/2010 at 2:53pm
"top kill" is on pause. don't get why its even gone on this long. Take charge and get this over with US Government. Can't be too hard to pull resources to end this and just send BP the bill. If they can't do it, you do it quick and then charge them.
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