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I want to see just how people feel about themselves with regard to this sport.
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  Quote Myke_Hawke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/27/2010 at 10:19am

The sport can be expensive, but I think it depends on who you ask. I mean there is people out on the slope that have spent more on their outfit then some people will spend all year.

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I don't know, it is a hard question. If you are young and live by the mt there are lot of places that make it easy to go, some even go through school.  
But then you there are a lot of mt that cost $80 for a day for riding. I think it matter on the Mt, some Mts make it an elitist sport and others mostly the smaller one try and make it a sport for everyone.
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I'm gonna vote no. However, it depends on if you buy into the hype or not. Do you need two or three new boards every year? Do you need new boots and bindings? Multiple sets of outerwear, goggles, etc?

Some people think they do. Some people know they don't.

Lift tickets and passes get expensive. However, you can find deals if you look hard enough.

For the past few years I've purchased a pass that gets me 1 ticket at 28 resorts for $190. Not all 28 resorts are worth the gas to get to, but even if I only go the 5 closest to me, I get my money's worth.

What I find ridiculous is that the garbage dumps in southern Michigan charge about $500 for a season pass. In Colorado, an Epic pass is $599 and is good for unlimited access at 6 ACTUAL mountains.

Anyway, it's only elitist if you buy into the hype that you need loads of brand new gear and multiple season passes every year. There are definitely ways to snowboard on the cheap.

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what do you mean by elitist? because when i think elitist i picture 2 older gentlemen in velvet smoking jackets sipping brandy infront of a fireplace in some guys library poking a monkey butler to refill their sniffers...
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Originally posted by bitteralex

what do you mean by elitist? because when i think elitist i picture 2 older gentlemen in velvet smoking jackets sipping brandy infront of a fireplace in some guys library poking a monkey butler to refill their sniffers...

Thats exactly what an elitist is.

whats this talk about $599 for a seasons to 5 mountains! In Colorado! 

At my local mountain its $700 for a seasons and there is only 6 chairs.
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  Quote shwazy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/27/2010 at 11:10am
Well the sport certainly isn't cheap but if you buy boards on sale you can sell them for nearly what you paid for them.  I have been wearing the same pants for four seasons and they work great.  And have purchased a season pass to North Star on the cheap because I am a student.  But if you are looking to go up to the hill a few times a year in California it is pretty damn expensive.
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  Quote drones1616 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/27/2010 at 11:12am
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What I find ridiculous is that the garbage dumps in southern Michigan charge about $500 for a season pass. In Colorado, an Epic pass is $599 and is good for unlimited access at 6 ACTUAL mountains.



I totally agree. I can't believe I'm going to drop $400 for a season pass in SW Michigan next season. This seems ridiculous to me.

With respect to the original question, however, I don't think you can answer it with a simple yes or no. Can anyone and everyone snowboard? No. Some people can't because of their geographical location; they simply can't afford to drop loads of money to go on expensive ski vacations. Others simply don't have to extra cash to get into a sport like snowboarding. But that doesn't necessarily mean snowboarding is "elitist." Snowboarding isn't any different than any other non-essential activity/hobby in that sense. Either you have the extra money to spend on leisure activities or you don't.

Some might point to the high prices of snowboarding gear and claim that this makes snowboarding "elitist." I wrestle with this aspect a lot. Does a good board really need to have a $500 MSRP? Is that a reasonable price or corporate greed? I understand there are a lot of things that go into the price of a snowboard or a piece of gear, i.e., manufacturing costs, research and development costs, business overhead costs, the need to make some revenue etc, etc., but is $500 justified? I don't know; I don't work on the inside. Who knows how much excess revenue Burton makes off each board it sells that ends up poaching me the consumer above and beyond what they actually need to run their company. They are for-profit after all....

But on the other hand, like someone else said, there are ways to ride for cheap. You don't have to buy the newest gear every season, or wear all the highest end gear in order to ride. Snowboarding can be very accessible to many people, especially if they live close to resort, if they are smart about their purchasing decisions.
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  Quote Charb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/27/2010 at 11:13am
i guess it depends on where you live and how you practice the sport.
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  Quote itr43 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/27/2010 at 11:13am
For the most part, I think it depends where you live.  If you live in say Dubai and see no snow, yes, it can be an elitist sport.  If you live in poverty in Ethiopia, shoes and clothes can be considered those for the elitist.    
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  Quote ThaScarecro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/27/2010 at 11:15am
NO. just like i dont consider 4 wheelers an elitest sport even tho those can cost 5K to 9K.

Depends on where you ride and what you ride. At sierra you can pick up a whole setup for a cpl hundred bucks and then just pay ur way to the MT. not that bad.
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  Quote bonkfisher5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/27/2010 at 11:16am
I hate how the 2 sports I love are so damn expensive (biking is even worse).  I am going into my 3rd season and I am not too stoked to drop $750+ on a seasons. I would say yes, boarding is an elitist sport. There are sooooo many factors though.
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  Quote kymerj1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/27/2010 at 11:20am
Originally posted by icechickay
What I find ridiculous is that the garbage dumps in southern Michigan charge about $500 for a season pass. In Colorado, an Epic pass is $599 and is good for unlimited access at 6 ACTUAL mountains.

It's funny because most of the small "moutains" in Connecticut are more expensive for a season pass than the actual mountains in Vermount and New Hampshire.
 
Snowboarding can definitly be an expensive sport but isn't just for the elite.  There are sports and hobbies that are much more expensive.
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i dont think theres anything inherently elitist about the act of snowboarding itself, though it certainly can be expensive, in comparison to a lot of other sports. Even with that though, i disagree that purchasing expensive gear by itself, makes one an elitist. If you wanna rock a method + c60's, do your thang. Gear doesn't, or at least shouldnt, define one's attitude, thats a personal thing, whether your gear is expensive or not.

That said, i think snowboarding certainly lends itself to elitism and cliques. You see it all the time, you have the 'core' riders who believe they're better because they ride the 'core' brands and that somehow means they have a deeper view of what snowboarding is about.. you've got the old heads on the mountain who've been riding for ages and feel they own the mountain, and that the young whippersnappers on their damn boardsnows should get off the snow..theres plenty of people who are always look for a situation in which they can point and laugh at somebody else, mostly in order to feel better about themselves. 

This isnt all too specific to just snowboarding, I see this in almost every community im involved in, where enthusiasts are present. I see it especially in guitars, music, cycling, cars..some people just need to find a niche where they can feel like a part of something special, even if that means putting others down. What makes somebody an elitist, is their attitude towards others. 
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  Quote mech9t5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/27/2010 at 11:37am
is golf an elitist sport?  cause in terms of cost they are very close.

i personally dont think snowboarding is elitist.  i used my board, boots, and bindings for 10 years.  Sure, there might be a softer board for the park, or a stiffer board for speed, etc. but a board is a board.  It might be a little harder to butter on my old board but i can still do it and I still have fun on it.

Snowboarding can be done on the cheap.  Maybe burton wants to change that with their setups costing near $1k. but there are plenty of cheaper brands that are just as good.
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Depending on location. The bigger the resort the price is more reasonable compare to a smaller resort. The place I go to have their season pass priced at $499 while a freind of mine that live in the West coast is priced at $250. The Gears cost is expensive but it last real long, so it pay itself off.

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to me, snowboarding is not. There are no initiation fee, no need to join a country club or any club, no free access to other amenities if there's any, etc. snowboarding is something that everyone can enjoy w/o signing a contract of some sort, though can get expensive. But if you ask the CEO of Burton now, he'll for sure say YES!
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Yes in some ways, but not like golf or tennis.
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  Quote not-ewrx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/27/2010 at 11:51am
I only ask because I whole hardheadedly believe that it is indeed an elitist sport. 

I think it's funny that kids, in this sport, try to portray themselves as gangsters, thugs, hippies, Gypsies and punks.  To me it's all such a joke because the majority of snowboarders are SPOILED shtooking ROTTEN. 

My number one complaint about other snowboarders is a lack of Humility. 

Every Snowboarder needs to realize that this sport is a gift that not everyone has access to.  We all need to exercise a good deal of humility in what we do. 

The more you try and refute that this is indeed an elitist sport, the more fucktarded we as snowboarders look. 

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And elitist is a relative term, I do understand this.  But I look at it as 99.9% of the world doesn't snowboard.  We are a very shtooking elite crowd.  There are millions apon millions that would kill to have the resources to do what we do as snowboarders.  
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depends on the mountain and the price of the lift ticket and what part of the country. 
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everything can have its elitist side, tbh, be it games or sports.
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To me, elitist isn't the right word...while I don't consider myself elitist, I do consider myself privileged to be able to afford to go snowboarding once in a while.  As someone pointed out earlier... a few hundred bucks for a setup and then "pay your way to the mountain".  For me, paying my way to the mountain means probably a minimum $800/week which is definitely not accessible to everyone.

As for getting raked over the coals for local season passes, here's my deal: vertical drop 89 meters, 99% man-made snow, one double chairlift servicing 9 runs.  Season pass $300.
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If you look at it purely as the % of the world capable of affording it, yes snowboarding is "elitist" in the sense only a small % can afford it. I'm sure 99.999% of us here on this forum are middle or upper class people that are better off than 90% of the world's population. (statistics are from my ass, trust them with caution) I doubt any of us have too much trouble paying off their utilities or wondering where their next meal is coming from.

Snowboarding definitely isn't like soccer which the poorest of the poor can play with zero difficulty. Put some garbage in a bag and tie it up and you've got all you need. It's the reason why soccer is the most popular sport in the world... it's available to everyone. A kid in the poorest slum in Brazil or Ghana can watch the World Cup and dream about making it big one day.... AND ITS POSSIBLE.

At the very very cheapest, it's going to cost you a few hundred dollars to snowboard. Used board, bindings, boots, jacket, pants, gloves... then the travel cost. And snowboarding is one of those sports where how much you spend does have an impact on how well you do. Yes, it is 90% skill but two guys with the same skill set are gonna have vastly different results if one guy is on his one lamar board with 5 year old bindings and the other guy has the newest setups and a full quiver @ a few thousand dollars.

Not as bad as crazy elitist hobbies like yachting or whatnot but still pretty prohibitive to most people.


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  Quote supcadence Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/27/2010 at 1:06pm
i think we each have our own perception of the term elitist at this point. i don't see elitist as a term used to define social status, like the above post.
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its probably how extreme one person is.. ive seen on tele people jumping from choppers, boarding with parachutes

but i dont think its for elite..its just a great sport
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definitely have to have some cash to board.. the freakin mountains are expensive
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i think it depends on the mountain you go to. some are super expensive and some can be suprisingly affordable
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Personally, I'd have to say no.  The sport can definitely get expensive, but there are also ways to cut down on costs like buying used gear or getting deals on lift tickets.  I also haven't met any snowboarders sporting an 'elitist attitude', if that can be described.
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I vote yes only because of the money factor. Even if you get used gear it still cost a few hundred to get into the sport and thats not even counting the cost of a lift ticket. You can cut lift ticket cost by going weekdays and such but for the average working joe who does the 9-5 mon to fri that isnt much of an option.
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definitely an expensive sport. so i guess you mean elitist like golf?
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No.


I think something like equestrianism is pretty elitist, if anything. 

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Spencer W. I agree. Things like polo, horsebackriding (to an extent), sailing, and stuff like that is pretty highbrow. Snowboarding i would say a no.
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  Quote sgreen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/27/2010 at 10:12pm
   The only real elitists out there are the ones setting ticket prices.LOL
   In my short time boarding, the only elitism I've come across is attitude. Fortunately, the 'elitists' seem to be in the minority. There are enough styles to choose from, if you like to slide, you can find equipment to pretty much do what you want, and with sites like SS and Craigslist and local swap meets, decent equipment can be come by fairly cheap. Tickets, however,...
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  Quote AyChan87 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/27/2010 at 11:07pm
i would say it is when it comes to the cost... lift tix are $$$... but in the sense of the boarders themselves... there is a very all is welcome attitude which is what is so awesome about snowboarding... it is a come as you are and enjoy the mountain kind of sport...
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It can be, but I don't think it is.  There are always ways to bring the price down.  I personally don't know the last time I paid to snowboard, but when I was a student...I was always able to find discounts.  I think I used to pay $20 for lift tickets, which isn't much at all.
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   The only real elitists out there are the ones setting ticket prices.LOL
  
this little comment here is the tip of an iceberg.

i do not think snowboarding its self is elitist at all.  people go slide on snow on mountains.  thats awesome.  elitist is, like another person said, something like being a rich equestrian.  a snooty weathy person who has things because its a way to show off how many material things they have, and how theyre "better" than others.  i have never gotten that vibe from snowboarding.

now, there are individual PEOPLE who might give off a holier-than-though vibe, but thats them, not snowboarding, and you can find those people anywhere.

also, i really dont think the price of gear makes something elitist.  is it elitist when my dad goes out and fishes on his boat in the ocean with his brother, and has a great time being in nature and catching fish to feed himself and his family?  his boat is worth many thousands of dollars and the fuel alone for one trip costs about as much as a high end snowboard at full retail, so.... is that elitist because of the cost to do the activity?  hell no.  besides, a few hundred bucks for a snowboard is not much when you compare it to actual "elitist" im-showing-off-my-wealth things like bullshit fancy cars or horses or mansions or whatever.  im not saying every rich person is an elitist, but its those things + the attitude.  the attitude is the main thing, if you ask me.
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  Quote globetrotter4life Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/28/2010 at 2:32am

I perfectly agree with spenser, boarding is an activity that is open to anyone with the motivation (and yes, a little money), but that doesn't mean at all that it's restricted to any specific class of people.

The issue does arise when people from that kind of environment start acting that way. But as was previously mentioned, you can find those most anywhere, not just on the slopes, and their attitude on the slopes is just the same as their attitude in other contexts.

Then there's another issue to take into account: depending on where you go, you may be more or less exposed to this kind of person and get a different vibe. For example, in Europe, resorts such as Courchevel, Crans-Montana, Megève, etc... are typically high-class, high-cost and high-snob resorts, whereas Chamonix, Isola, Garmisch-Partenkirchen, les Diablerets, etc... are less exclusive, cheaper and much less favored by those people. Basically, if you know where to go you can avoid that kind of issue.

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no way, maybe 10+ years ago it could have been considered that, but the prices and range of gear you can get not to mention lift pass prices and ease to hire gear means it is affordable.
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  Quote kitcho4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/28/2010 at 2:51am
a mate think mountaineering is more then a sport then soccer for the exact same reason, really depends when you go and how much you are willing to spend on it i guess 
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  Quote vanpet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/28/2010 at 2:57am
considered the fun, the money was totally worth.
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  Quote snowmen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/28/2010 at 3:08am
I don't think it is an elitist sport. Both snowboarding and skiing require a fair amount of money that many people can't afford so I do think snowboarders and skiiers are privledged. But being privledged doesn't make you an elitist. An elitist group is one who believes their views are superior to those in the rest of society. I have not found this to be the case with sonwboarders or skiiers for that matter.
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  Quote JandJBlks2k Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/28/2010 at 5:15am
It is an expensive hobby..but it's all worth it..but it all depends to which sports you compare it to..if you compare snowboarding or any winter activities against basketball (just the ball w/o the camp and "jordans"), tennis, or chess..then sure, it's helluva pricey! now if you put it up against mountain biking (3k bikes), or car racing then suddenly snowboarding becomes a lot cheaper!

I think as long as you have an occupation to support your 'boarding needs, then nothing should be too expensive..or having/coming from a rich family obviously would help alleviate any hardship as well!
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I agree, it's all a matter of perspective - depends what you're comparing it to. When I think of 'elitist sport' I think of sailing or polo.
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  Quote vasnowboarder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/28/2010 at 5:33am
i agree with most the posti have seen it depends on how far you take it there cheap stuff out there that a lot of people could buy.
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  Quote kev96482 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/28/2010 at 5:37am
depends on what you define elitist as. are you defining it as expensive or something that just the rich and wealthy play? yes there is a difference. take hockey for example, it costs a lot for all the gear, but I wouldn't consider it an elitist sport. sports like squash however, I consider as more elitist. snowboarding i don't consider elitist even though it does cost a bit. elitist in my opinion would be more about the type of people who play it and not as much about the cost of playing it.
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  Quote Blur510 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/28/2010 at 6:01am
No, it far from it, I like snowboarding because most of the people are nice and friendly.  As far as it being expensive. It can be, but not necessarily. 
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