Jesus Christ

Originally posted by sgreen Originally posted by mech9t5 You quoted a passage in the bible and I interpreted it.  If you don't agree you have to at least give me your interpretation instead of just saying you disagree. No, sir, I don't, but if you'd like me to and you ask me nicely (), I'll have something for you eventually.

Originally posted by Nire333 At least he prays to God and fully believes that God will help him with his problems (no matter what they are). When all of us can do that and simply have FAITH, the world will be a better place.

Originally posted by humblerooster Originally posted by mech9t5 Last, I don't agree with this statement.   Muslim faith is just as strong as christian faith (if not stronger).  Guess what?  The world isn't a better place.   That's because Muslims don't have Jesus Christ in their lives.

Erm, yes they do. See the Wikipedia entry for "Jesus in Islam", which states:

The belief in Jesus (and all other messengers of God) is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim. The Quran mentions Jesus twenty-five times, more often, by name, than Muhammad.

Originally posted by robnezz23 Originally posted by namsapalooza Originally posted by humblerooster Originally posted by mech9t5 Last, I don't agree with this statement.   Muslim faith is just as strong as christian faith (if not stronger).  Guess what?  The world isn't a better place.   That's because Muslims don't have Jesus Christ in their lives. Erm, yes they do. See the Wikipedia entry for "Jesus in Islam", which states: The belief in Jesus (and all other messengers of God) is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim. The Quran mentions Jesus twenty-five times, more often, by name, than Muhammad.     I'll be more specific and clarify his entry for him:  "That's because Muslims don't have Jesus Christ [at the center of] their lives."  I think that was his intention anyway. Muslims have a different person at the center of their religious/spiritual lives to guide them in everyday life.

Originally posted by humblerooster Originally posted by mech9t5 Last, I don't agree with this statement.   Muslim faith is just as strong as christian faith (if not stronger).  Guess what?  The world isn't a better place.   That's because Muslims don't have Jesus Christ in their lives. God knows what you need before you even ask him, and if you need help on a paper, he knows that and I don't see a reason to feel bad about asking. Why, would you feel bad?

Originally posted by sgreen Originally posted by mech9t5 jesus is the son of god is also god himself. allah is god.   both are the same god.  however, it seems having faith in one is good while having faith in the other is bad even though they are the same god. What do you mean when you say that "jesus is the son is also god himself"? If the same people who say that Allah is God also say that Jesus is neither the Son nor God, but simply a prophet, how do you come to the conclusion that he is Allah? On what do you base your logic?

Originally posted by mech9t5 Are you telling me you don't know about the trinity?????

Would you explain it to me, please?

Originally posted by robnezz23 Let me get this right. It sounds like you are saying: A. since the Christian divine being consists of the three persons of the Trinity (#1. God the Father, #2. Jesus the Son, #3. the Holy Spirit), and B. since Muslims worship a being who shares similarities** to #1 above, this proves they worship the same divinity. (**I think there are similarities but my knowledge of Islam is minimal. I think the claim being made is to equate the Muslim God with God the Heavenly Father of Christianity.) The only way this makes sense is if you don't think Jesus is divine, and probably more than that... if you don't think he's even important at all. Otherwise, it would be preposterous to make the claim you've made above.  It's like saying:  #1  +  #2  +  #3 still equals #1.   We are called "Christians" in the echo of Jesus the Christ (a.k.a the Messiah, the Annointed One), and to propose that adding him as an object of worship changes nothing is totally and utterly absurd.  You know better than that.

Originally posted by mech9t5 Originally posted by robnezz23 Let me get this right. It sounds like you are saying: A. since the Christian divine being consists of the three persons of the Trinity (#1. God the Father, #2. Jesus the Son, #3. the Holy Spirit), and B. since Muslims worship a being who shares similarities** to #1 above, this proves they worship the same divinity. (**I think there are similarities but my knowledge of Islam is minimal. I think the claim being made is to equate the Muslim God with God the Heavenly Father of Christianity.)   A.  Is an assumption.  No proof of this whatsoever that god exists as 1, 2 or 3. No need to go further.

This thread was totally buried, but it keeps rising from the dead.  I'm sure someone will argue that's a sign.  lol

Hope all the moms had a good Mother's Day today and I hope all the kids remembered their moms/step-moms/moms-in-law/mother figures/etc. 

Originally posted by mech9t5 Originally posted by sgreen By what means do the many who "agree it is the same god" come to their conclusion? What is their evidence? Go look it up.  I am not gonna provide their evidence or how they came to their conclusion.

Who were you quoting?

Originally posted by mech9t5 And for my own conclusions, I have already stated what I've read on the 3 religions before.  I've drawn my own conclusions as someone who is not biased by any of the 3.  I find it pointless to provide those conclusions because a faith based argument masquerading as logic is simply futile.

I assumed your own conclusion was based on logic, not faith. Going on that assumption, I asked what evidence you based your logic upon, also assuming that your evidence would likely come from the two most logical sources: the Bible and the Koran. Since you claimed to be familiar w/ both books, I didn't think it would be much of a chore for you to list a few of the verses/passages that helped you form your unbiased conclusion.

I made it a goal to incorporate Jesus in my conversations when I can. I it has been such a blessing. This guy from school now tells me he is looking on amazon to buy a Bible and he asks me for advice on a good translation to start reading with. Just buy talking about Jesus, he can do work in other peoples lives. God Bless everyone.

God is really blessing my life.(more like, i'm seeing it now) i'm getting involved in a company called Meleluca, sellling organic, eco friendly home products. i'm also selling Cutco again. teaming up with a friend, we will be an unstopable force for God.

@sgreen - I heard a preacher that about how people get influenced by what people talk about.
-Drugs
-Parties
-Drinking
-Sex

So why not talk more about Jesus in regular conversations in our day to day lives. It can be the beginning of more people coming to Christ.

Originally posted by mech9t5 Originally posted by sgreen Originally posted by mech9t5 Here's a question, do you think jews believe in the same god as christians? Go look it up. I'll assume you mean religious Jews, not ethnic Jews, to which I answer 'no'. Christians believe in the Triune God, the Jews only believe in the first person of the Trinity. Remember, they crucified the Son. "They" being jews crucified jesus.  This is such a stupid statement.  That's like saying, "remember, humans crucified jesus".  Obviously humans don't think jesus was god.  Did you forget jesus himself was a jew?  The 12 apostles were jews?    Using the statement "jews crucified jesus" to prove that jews do not believe jesus is god is simply wrong.

Is there anything constructive or instructional I'm supposed to take away from your comments?

I'm not sure why you would think I was trying to "prove that jews do not believe jesus is god", since you only asked for my opinion. (Am I safe in assuming you understand the difference between proof and opinion?) You asked: do I think Jews worship the same God as Christians? Or, to phrase it the way I responded to it: do I think these two different religions, Judaism and Christianity, worship the same God? My statements were given to support my opinion.

By "Jews", I assumed you meant followers of Judaism. In the phrase I highlighted above, I made it clear that I was differentiating between religious Jews (followers of Judaism specifically) and ethnic Jews (who may or may not follow Judaism, or any other religion, for that matter), and comparing religion to religion. "They" are the leaders (Pharisees, Sadducees, etc.) of Judaism at that time. Considering your professed familiarity w/ the Bible, you've likely read Matthew 26-27, Mark 14-15, Luke 22-23, and John 18-19, so it seemed reasonable to expect you'd know who conspired to bring about the Lord's crucifixion and that that's who I was referring to.

Followers of Judaism rejected and crucified Jesus Christ then and today are still waiting for the Messiah to come. 2Corinthians 3:7-16.

^^Here's another: Sin will take you farther than you want to go, keep you longer than you want to stay, and cost you more than you want to pay.

Snowboarding is a great way to bring out others who may not come to a "Bible Study" or other church event that could be intimidating.  Just make sure you watch out for them, physically and spiritually!

What surprises me about the Gallup poll is that the existence of God is assumed.  It leaves no room for any other option.ScrewyV - Which response would you have chosen?  Which is the most "scientifically enlightened" response?1.) Humans evolved, with God guiding

This is not a new finding... I'm sure you could extrapolate upon that and come to the conclusion that, essentially, the smartest people don't believe in God or creationism.  Or, to put it a different way, and more bluntly, stupid people believe in God.  That seems like it's what you're trying to get at, and more broadly it seems that is the theme of the majority of your posts.

Originally posted by mech9t5 From the poll, I find this very interesting... Those With Postgraduate Education Least Likely to Believe in Creationist Explanation Americans with postgraduate education are most likely of all the educational groups to say humans evolved without God's guidance, and least likely to say God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years. The creationist viewpoint "wins" among Americans with less than a postgraduate education.

What do you find interesting about the quote?

Originally posted by humblerooster Humans evolved and God guided process... That is a weird statement. They contradict each other. The Bible says that God made humans and all the animals, so how can humans evolved from a germ to a blob to a monkey to a human with Gods aid...?

It's called compromise. Revelation 3:14-16 is the first passage that comes to my mind. 1Kings 18:21 & Joshua 24:15, also. Matthew 19:4 hints pretty strongly at Jesus' thoughts on the Creation.

Originally posted by screwyvarmint A new poll says 46% of Americans believe in creationism.  I find that disturbing.  Can't people accept science and modify their belief in God to fit the facts?  At least that's less than a majority. http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/Hold-Creationist-View-Human-Origins.aspx

I'm curious, are you a member of the scientific community?

Interesting... I didn't know Pac-Man was a professing Christian

@rodnezz23

Thanks man. I really needed the encouragement.