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  Quote GOA510 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Black Diamonds: Powder VS Icey
    Posted: Oct/12/2010 at 11:08am
Was thinking about this the other day and wondered what you guys thought on riding black diamonds in powder VS icey conditions? I've only ridden a couple black diamonds at Kirkwood in April and it was pretty icey. Is it more difficult to ride them in powder or ice? Guess this debate goes for greens, blues and black runs, backcountry and park. Although I've heard you'd want to ride park in icier conditions rather than powder.
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  Quote Ejekted Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/12/2010 at 11:15am
It's better to ride everywhere except park when it's powder. Powder makes everything ten times better unless it's over 4 ft of fresh, then the greens and blues will not be steep enough to pull you through, black diamonds are still good to go at this point!
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  Quote wpiass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/12/2010 at 11:20am
i guess i'm kinda biased as a snowboarder, but i can certainly say that ice takes all the fun out of good runs, especially steeper, diamond runs.  conversely, these can be the most fun with decent powder since it takes all the risk out of it.  i guess i'm not good enough to just go gung ho down a big drop if it's totally iced over.
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  Quote probo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/12/2010 at 11:29am
I have to say that an icey black run is no fun at all and i would have much preffered if the powder had fallin on it rather than the greens and blues
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  Quote GOA510 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/12/2010 at 3:28pm
Ok cool, thats what I was thinking. Figured powder black diamonds were more enjoyable, would you guys say they're easier to go down? Wasn't sure if powder helped or hurt the difficulty.

The first black diamond I went down (icey condition) I was doing pretty good then my sidewall caught on groove or something in the icey ground that sent me on my ass fly down the hill board first. Of course a skier (nothing personal skiers) was standing in the middle of the run with his ski's going across the run and I was headed right for him. Somehow I was able to lift my board and body off the ground (basically bunny hopped over him) and was able to pop back up. So not the best or worst experience for going down a black diamond my first time. It was definitely a rush and didn't stop me from going down a few more black diamonds.
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  Quote eldolocal68 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/12/2010 at 3:38pm
many blacks, back east, are defined by ice. funny story, had a friend who learned to ride in CO., never saw real ice, got pretty good, could ride anything the resorts could throw at him, and some backcountry, when he moved back east, he gave up boarding, the first black diamond(at hunter) kicked his ass, it was a steep, rocky, moguled out sheet of ice, the bullet proof kind we only see back here. if that was a black diamond, and the trees sucked too, he'd rather not ride back east, and doesn't til this day. only rides when i drag his ass back to CO. so yeah, powder makes things better(easier).
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  Quote dfrench2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/12/2010 at 3:49pm
I did a few blacks and blue-blacks at MJM last winter in powder and they were amazing. I would never even try a black in ice. It just doesn't look fun, and when i fall, I don't see myself stopping till i get to the bottom or wrap myself around a tree.
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  Quote tw0scoops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/13/2010 at 3:07am
Originally posted by GOA510

Was thinking about this the other day and wondered what you guys thought on riding black diamonds in powder VS icey conditions? I've only ridden a couple black diamonds at Kirkwood in April and it was pretty icey. Is it more difficult to ride them in powder or ice? Guess this debate goes for greens, blues and black runs, backcountry and park. Although I've heard you'd want to ride park in icier conditions rather than powder.
I've never ridden pow, but it's pretty obvious which is easier on a black diamond.  Pow is gunna slow you down more, and make turning easier...or so I read.  I really hope to get some powder when I head to Co this year.
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  Quote spenser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/13/2010 at 3:28am
if youre even considering going down a black when its ice, then i have to assume its groomed, which would then lead me to assume it cant be that "gnar" of a run if theyre grooming it.  i could be wrong though.

and yes, i agree that everything is better when theres pow on it.  even groomed runs.  riding easy groomed runs (and yes im saying its easy because its groomed period) with 6 inches of pow on it is soooooooo fun.  its just different.  each roller becomes something to spray a cloud off and then duck underneath it.. every side hit turns into a surfy wave.. blah blah blah.
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  Quote VermontRider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/13/2010 at 8:32am
Powder makes everything better.
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  Quote Angry Midget Yo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/13/2010 at 12:28pm
Powder really does make everything easier to ride on except when there is too much pow and you don't have board that works well in waist deep pow. 
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  Quote Superorb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/15/2010 at 1:24pm
When Snowshoe got all that snow last season it was the first time we'd tried black runs, and they were a lot of fun in powder. Blue runs were great, and green runs weren't steep enough to keep moving.

Since we mostly get ice here on the EC it was a welcome change. Ice SUCKS.
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  Quote wdi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/15/2010 at 1:34pm
*Definitely* much more fun in powder...icy is not so fun - especially when you fall and keep on sliding....
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  Quote Epicentre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/15/2010 at 1:39pm
I don't think I've ever heard anyone say ice is fun...
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  Quote Aus_Boarder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/16/2010 at 2:41am
Love the double diamond and single diamond black runs on a pow day.  Won't go near a double diamond black run when it's icy, but I will still do the single diamond black runs even when it is icy.
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  Quote belleayre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/16/2010 at 3:12am
Loose, fresh snow is great for bumps and downhills. Can't say that I've ridden in legit powder, but after we got a five foot snowfall in the Catskills last year, I was able to get away with stuff I could never do on hardpack or ice. Icy slopes are OK for carving if you have good edge control and link your turns properly.
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  Quote LG95 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/21/2010 at 12:02pm
powder is always bettter
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  Quote rafster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/21/2010 at 12:08pm
There is nothing like the pure sex feelling when tearing through some fresh pow... nothing
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  Quote spenser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/21/2010 at 12:14pm
do you guys actually have black diamonds that get groomed?  is that normal?  we dont have them here.  the steepest run they groom here is blue or whatever the second level is, cause anything thats a black is not something they want to drive up with a cat.

ratings are based on the most difficult run at the individual mountain though, so i guess it could make sense.  if there were a standardized rating system there would be sooo many resorts that wouldnt even have black diamonds.
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  Quote surgyon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/21/2010 at 12:17pm
My life time of hockey/ ice skating saved my life my first time out on the east coast with a girl I was trying to impress my first time boarding. I was doing blues my first day out and not knowing the terrain I slid across some icy patches that made me miss my ice skates and made me sweat
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  Quote greenmnmsi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/21/2010 at 12:17pm
I agree,pow is just so much fun. I hate black diamonds that just mean they are icey, like most east coast hills.
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  Quote PowderMonkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/28/2010 at 5:03pm
The only people that might enjoy riding on icey blacks would be ski racers because it is faster.
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The first time that I've ever went on a Black run was on a powder day and BOY I handled it. Still bring a smile to my face Big smile
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  Quote panther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/28/2010 at 5:30pm
pow is so much easier. you move slower, doesnt hurt to fall
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pow is gods gift to earth and is like floating on clouds
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  Quote spenser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/28/2010 at 5:36pm
you only move slower if you choose to.  personally i can/do ride just as fast in pow.  the faster the more fun, and its easier the faster you go.
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powder is better..unless it's too much powder...then you'll be stuck unless you have a pow board...

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  Quote eldolocal68 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/29/2010 at 1:12pm
too much pow?! no such thing! personally i ride faster in pow, than on ice, mainly because of the consequences.
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  Quote GOA510 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 7:09pm
Thanks for the info everyone. Pretty much figured pow was better, but just wanted to make sure I wasn't off. For some reason I was trying to convince myself pow could be harder to ride since your at a steep angle and pow is so soft. Yeah, don't know where that logic came from either hahaha

I'm about 99% sure the run wasn't groomed. Like spenser said, just don't see a groomer going up it.
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  Quote peter8d9 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/05/2011 at 10:20am
Luckily out here in CO, most of the time there is good powder.  Though towards the end of the day A basin got pretty icy and every time I fell it felt like I was hitting concrete.  Carving is harder in ice and for those of us that still wipe out, much less forgiving.
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  Quote not-ewrx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/05/2011 at 10:26am
Last time I went down a really steep run that was pure Ice I basically couldn't stop at all.  None of my boards have sharp edges and I basically just did a lay back and prayed that no one got in my way.  Even then I could barely slow myself down.  Kind of just had to wait til the mountain got less steep.  Those are days I usually pack it up and go home. 
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blacks suck in va all iced over you cant even ride them safely.
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  Quote C02 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/05/2011 at 10:30am
yep i agreee with not ewrx, sometimes its so icy all you can do it bomb down the run and hope for the best.
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  Quote GOA510 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/05/2011 at 10:34am
I got my taste of powder black diamonds last weekend, and it is definitely easier lol Rode Dodge Ridge last weekend (first time so I'm not sure how different it is when it isn't storming) and loved it! Sunday was pretty much a powder everywhere day and went through a couple black's that felt more like blues. Wasn't as steep as the black I went down at Kirkwood and much easier to control. Could also be different difficulties with the two different resorts.
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  Quote not-ewrx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/05/2011 at 10:36am
Originally posted by spenser

do you guys actually have black diamonds that get groomed?  is that normal?  we dont have them here.  the steepest run they groom here is blue or whatever the second level is, cause anything thats a black is not something they want to drive up with a cat.

ratings are based on the most difficult run at the individual mountain though, so i guess it could make sense.  if there were a standardized rating system there would be sooo many resorts that wouldnt even have black diamonds.

Ever herd of a cable cat?  They have them at Snowbasin and groom some crazy steep runs for their downhill runs they have for the Olympics and such. 

I remember when I first started boarding I took the little gondola up to the top of the mens downhill.  They purposely spray the snow with water so it's like an ice sheet.  I was just cuising along and hit that ice and slipped and it took me for a ride all the way to the bottom of the hill.  Here's a pic of the starting hut.

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Where I live ( southern Ontario) ice is a regular thing. Helps with your edge control I guess. :P

When I went to Whistler, the blacks were like double blacks over here, which can get really icey with all the newbs side slipping down the entire hill.
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  Quote east4life Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/05/2011 at 11:26am
so on that picture, where is the ice?
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Powder for me no matter what terrain!

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I prefer powder over ice any day on any terrain. I'm not sure there are actually ppl prefer ice over powder though...
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are people actually treating this as a question, has a single person said ice? 
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  Quote Marumm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/05/2011 at 1:01pm
Powder any day.  Ice definitely bumps up the challenge of any run.  It can be partially mitigated by the choice of board, but even in those cases trying to maneuver down an icy black diamond isn't what I would characterize as 'fun'.
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Over in east coast (Sugar mt) all we have is ice, and after going west coast. Ice in Any run isnt fun.
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I was at China Peak last month and the powder had a little too much pow.  It was pretty much impossible to ride anywhere without being buried up to your knees.  I thought it was a good idea to go down a double black diamond since the angles were that much steeper only to get buried up to my chin.  Powder on blacks is great if it settles for a few hours, but if its literally like clouds, you're sinking to the bottom unless your legs are strong enough to butter all day long.
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i like B-lining black d'z in either conditions, but icey conditions is scarier b/c I got a concussion from it before. they are both just as fun, but in different ways.
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Originally posted by Peekaboo

Over in east coast (Sugar mt) all we have is ice, and after going west coast. Ice in Any run isnt fun.


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  Quote TGozdor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/09/2011 at 7:37am
It depends were you live. For me, a powder day is a foot of snow. For most it's 2+ feet of snow. Ice is fun if you have magne traction
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  Quote Goldberg13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/09/2011 at 7:42am
I find riding on ice much easier than riding on powder. If im bombing down a black, ice is much more predictable than powder. I hit little bumps or divits in the powder and they send me flying.
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  Quote Costell14 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/09/2011 at 7:56am
in Michigan I never get pow days so I've come to thoroughly enjoy icy runs. That being said, a steep powder run is king
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powder all day. ice sucks and can really mess you up if you wipe out badly. Plus ice is really unpredictable. It is fun cause you can so so freekin fast but powders much better
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