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    Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 11:24am
My favorite design is Diec's top one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 11:25am
Originally posted by bugsbunnymydad

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Hence why i said he lied to them


I skimmed your post way too fast. I thought it said wasn't unethical.

And imo, I wouldn't say "the only thing that was unethical about this was..." I would say what he did was extremely unethical.
I KNOW awh i feel so bad about this as a designer haha. I hate when people do this.... i was really just giving the benefit of the doubt.....


Im really glad Doug got in touch with them :-) what a guy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 11:30am
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lol. Looks like he just got busted on the other site too...

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1981665&page=3&highlight=zhenjie+logo+contest



I'm glad all those entries can still be in the contest. Nice their work didn't go to waste. I'm still very partial to the white/blue TS logo on the black background (#2 in zhenjie's entries). It's just so....smooth.

There's another nice one in that other thread (misterbadz's logos) ... I just really dig the black/blue/white mix...those colors just scream snowboarding to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 11:31am
Time for a new expert member that doesn't try to scam the people every chance he gets?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 11:34am
@ bugsbunny

Still not fair to the people who entered the contest knowingly, willingly and honestly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 11:46am
whoa whoa wait, what happened?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 11:48am
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whoa whoa wait, what happened?


Just read the last page or so and you should be up to speed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 11:49am
After reading the thread on the other site what he did was very unethical.  Hope it was worth it man to lose the respect of everyone on here and the other site.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 11:56am
alright i'm up to speed. Notice how he hasn't posted in this forum yet explaining himself...
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Ya i know its after the date and I dont really care :).
Anyway Im not a photoshop savvy person so i just drew it. Imagine with photoshop it would look pretty dope. Someone should do it for me :).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 12:04pm
Originally posted by redboard_96

Originally posted by odoyale rules

No wonder so many new members started joining this contest (like above)


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You referring to me?
No, not you. Just people who joined during this contest just to submit logos, haha.

And I do agree that what zhenje did was very unjust. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 12:22pm
whats worse is zhenjie's entries weren't as good, overall, as one would expect from professionals.  Yeah, there were a couple of decent (yet dated) logos, but the typestyles of the subsequent lettering didn't match and just didn't work for me.  Looks like they spent more effort photoshoping them into street scenes than on the logos/type.  
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whats worse is zhenjie's entries weren't as good, overall, as one would expect from professionals.  Yeah, there were a couple of decent (yet dated) logos, but the typlestyles of the subsequent lettering didn't match and just didn't work for me.  Looks like they spent more effort photoshoping them into street scenes than on the logos/type.  


lol. you crack me up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 12:39pm
I'm quite surprised that an expert member would act in such a shady way. I wonder, if one of the three designs he submitted won, would he have taken the credit from now on as have "designed the logo"
Also, is his account still active? That might explain him not coming here to try to at least apologise or explain himself.
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He lives in Australia so he is on a way different time schedule than us.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 12:48pm
It's a bummer these people got scammed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 12:48pm
I agree, we deserve an apology (if nothing else).  He took something that was for the current members/community and introduced a bunch what are most likely not even snowboarders or skiers. So uncool.
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how about the TS symbol like the TERROR SQUAD?????? lol
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 1:29pm
That's true, pihrana, he could possiblly have had taken the chance away from a sierra community member, which is pretty crappy, but I think its worse what he did on the other site. He lied and said he pm'ed a winner when in reality he was submitting all the good ones here as his own.
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In behalf of the designers from the other forum, We would like someone to take action on what your member did. I see to it that he cares so much about this forum and i salute to that but the fact that he scammed people isn't a good one. We spend time thinking how different our entries would be but scamming us really hurts. Since he had a positive itrader on the other site, i trusted him but this is what we get.

Thank you and we hope you guys would what you need to do with this guy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 3:09pm
Originally posted by idshredhead

Originally posted by Krazylegz1485

Originally posted by Burbuddy


:D Nothing Special, just plain classy.
 
That's the exact same thing I had in mind.
 
My official entry:
 
 
winner

AMAZING!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by Dakouten

In behalf of the designers from the other forum, We would like someone to take action on what your member did. I see to it that he cares so much about this forum and i salute to that but the fact that he scammed people isn't a good one. We spend time thinking how different our entries would be but scamming us really hurts. Since he had a positive itrader on the other site, i trusted him but this is what we get.

Thank you and we hope you guys would what you need to do with this guy.

haha broken engish much? i'm gessing thats google translates handy work.
psst Dakouten hes a site mod
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Originally posted by The_Guchi

Originally posted by Dakouten

In behalf of the designers from the other forum, We would like someone to take action on what your member did. I see to it that he cares so much about this forum and i salute to that but the fact that he scammed people isn't a good one. We spend time thinking how different our entries would be but scamming us really hurts. Since he had a positive itrader on the other site, i trusted him but this is what we get.

Thank you and we hope you guys would what you need to do with this guy.

haha broken engish much? i'm gessing thats google translates handy work.
psst Dakouten hes a site mod


Now your attacking me personally. FYI, English is not my main language but i know i can speak english without using any translation.
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Originally posted by barnyard

Originally posted by idshredhead

Originally posted by Krazylegz1485

Originally posted by Burbuddy


:D Nothing Special, just plain classy.
 
That's the exact same thing I had in mind.
 
My official entry:
 
 
winner

AMAZING!!!
 
Heck yeah...  Vote for me in 2010.  Notice the red in every logo.  Coincidence?  I think not.
 
Too bad I couldn't find a picture of a 2-headed fawn to represent TruSnow as the offspring of this deer gangbang.
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Despicable Me starring zhenjie.

All that deception just to win a logo contest?  Was it worth it?  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 3:33pm
@Dakouten - no i am not attacking you. sorry if it came off that way.
I was just telling you its even worse since hes a site mod here
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Originally posted by Dakouten

Originally posted by The_Guchi

Originally posted by Dakouten

In behalf of the designers from the other forum, We would like someone to take action on what your member did. I see to it that he cares so much about this forum and i salute to that but the fact that he scammed people isn't a good one. We spend time thinking how different our entries would be but scamming us really hurts. Since he had a positive itrader on the other site, i trusted him but this is what we get.

Thank you and we hope you guys would what you need to do with this guy.

haha broken engish much? i'm gessing thats google translates handy work.
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Now your attacking me personally. FYI, English is not my main language but i know i can speak english without using any translation.

Your English is just fine, and easily superior to most of the 13-year old tween style of 'i can haz teh snowboardz' typing that appears all too often on this forum.

 I'd like to apologize for Zhenjie's actions, hopefully he's man enough to apologize as well. Truly sorry man, I'm not a designer, but I know how serious designers take their work.  
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I understand what I have done is wrong. I guess at the time it was my (stupid) way of adding more variety to the competition. An apology has been sent to all involved. And just before people ask, yes a winner was chosen by myself and paid out, as I have ideas for the logo winner created for another project. So while technically I haven't done anything wrong, ethically I understand I have and it hasn't gone down well at all.

So my sincere apologies to all in the Sierra community, but most of all to the other Expert Members and Staff who's name I may have tarnished.

Good luck to the eventual winner.

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Originally posted by zhenjie

I understand what I have done is wrong. I guess at the time it was my (stupid) way of adding more variety to the competition. An apology has been sent to all involved. And just before people ask, yes a winner was chosen by myself and paid out, as I have ideas for the logo winner created for another project. So while technically I haven't done anything wrong, ethically I understand I have and it hasn't gone down well at all. So apologies to all.

Good luck to the eventual winner.


So who was the winner you chose, and what was their submission?
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Oh and yes, I will renounce my "Expert Member" status. :)
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Originally posted by Superorb

Originally posted by zhenjie

I understand what I have done is wrong. I guess at the time it was my (stupid) way of adding more variety to the competition. An apology has been sent to all involved. And just before people ask, yes a winner was chosen by myself and paid out, as I have ideas for the logo winner created for another project. So while technically I haven't done anything wrong, ethically I understand I have and it hasn't gone down well at all. So apologies to all.

Good luck to the eventual winner.


So who was the winner you chose, and what was their submission?


Keep an eye on the DP thread in next few days if you want to see.
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Originally posted by Superorb


Originally posted by zhenjie

I understand what I have done is wrong. I guess at the time it was my (stupid) way of adding more variety to the competition. An apology has been sent to all involved. And just before people ask, yes a winner was chosen by myself and paid out, as I have ideas for the logo winner created for another project. So while technically I haven't done anything wrong, ethically I understand I have and it hasn't gone down well at all. So apologies to all.Good luck to the eventual winner.
So who was the winner you chose, and what was their submission?
Keep an eye on the DP thread in next few days if you want to see.


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Cool that you did the right thing Z, and nice to know your perspective. I don't think a whole renouncing thing is necessary, but thats just me. 
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haha, this thread is funny now. :p
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Personally, I think the whole thing's a CLASSIC!

Sierra gets canned for screwing over the little guy (local board stores) through undervaluing products - then TruHouse pops up, and promptly screws over the graphic design industry by running a contest (ie. undervaluing the design industry) instead of hiring a professional designer like they ethically should - then zhenjie does pretty much the same thing to you guys, and only NOW do you have a problem with it?! PERFECT!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 4:14pm
Originally posted by slipnslide

TruHouse pops up, and promptly screws over the graphic design industry by running a contest (ie. undervaluing the design industry) instead of hiring a professional designer like they ethically should - then zhenjie does pretty much the same thing to you guys, and only NOW do you have a problem with it?! PERFECT!


What's wrong with a company asking for suggestions on a logo? If designers don't want to submit their logos for free they need not submit anything. There's nothing ethically wrong with what TS has done here.

What zhenjie did and what TS is doing is completely different, are you blind to the details?
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What would Sierra/Trusnow be without any drama! :)
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Originally posted by slipnslide

Personally, I think the whole thing's a CLASSIC!

Sierra gets canned for screwing over the little guy (local board stores) through undervaluing products - then TruHouse pops up, and promptly screws over the graphic design industry by running a contest (ie. undervaluing the design industry) instead of hiring a professional designer like they ethically should - then zhenjie does pretty much the same thing to you guys, and only NOW do you have a problem with it?! PERFECT!

companies do this ALL THE TIME.  there is a logo design contest every year at my college for all of the graphic designers who want to get their work out there.  multiple companies participate every year and all of the winners are compensated for their work, just like TruSnow will be compensating the winner here.  the graphic design industry is not being undervalued.  if anything it is being supported by healthy competition.  all i hear from my graphic design friends is how important it is to get your work out there so you can get noticed.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 4:35pm
as an expert member im frowny faced, it was massively unethical, particularly given that we get hooked up anyway, i honestly think we shouldnt really be getting involved in this or even daily giveaways for that reason (but if you want to be able to look at your logo every day in the top corner and think "yeah, i made that!" well thats a different motivation and i think obviously thats fine, but well, since it aint your creative juices flowing there, i doubt that was entirely your motivation here.) So frowny face for you... :(

But as a member of the community and something of a pragmatist (see posting history) it doesnt bother me one bit in truth. It was naughty, but i kinda like naughty :) At the end of the day though, i thought your designs were okay, but honestly they werent getting my vote anyway. And it cost you $50 for them, so er... teehee. You took a chance and paid over the odds if you ask me :p

Dont get me wrong people on that site, im not dogging yoru work, i just didnt fancy it is all, i think we have some really really nice designs here, and right now its probably the OR blue one thats getting my vote (i particularly like the fact he changed the sale button from red to blue, i thought that was a nice touch). And i particularly LOVE the shape of the mountains...
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Yes, "companies do this ALL THE TIME", craigalicious - but that doesn't make it right. It undervalues the design industry, and takes work away from professional designers. REAL professional designers "get noticed" by producing quality professional work, and ONLY enter design contests requiring submissions of professionally produced (ie. paid for and produced/published) work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 4:47pm
Originally posted by slipnslide

Yes, "companies do this ALL THE TIME", craigalicious - but that doesn't make it right. It undervalues the design industry, and takes work away from professional designers. REAL professional designers "get noticed" by producing quality professional work, and ONLY enter design contests requiring submissions of professionally produced (ie. paid for and produced/published) work.

and all of them got started producing nonprofessional work.  i don't see where you're trying to take this.  it seems to me like you're a "professional" designer and you're jealous that these people have this opportunity.  if you're not a designer, then why the hell do you care?

EDIT: also, who's to say that none of these submissions aren't "professional" work.  you're degrading some of the designers on this sight.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 4:57pm
Originally posted by craigalicious

Originally posted by slipnslide

Yes, "companies do this ALL THE TIME", craigalicious - but that doesn't make it right. It undervalues the design industry, and takes work away from professional designers. REAL professional designers "get noticed" by producing quality professional work, and ONLY enter design contests requiring submissions of professionally produced (ie. paid for and produced/published) work.

and all of them got started producing nonprofessional work.  i don't see where you're trying to take this.  it seems to me like you're a "professional" designer and you're jealous that these people have this opportunity.  if you're not a designer, then why the hell do you care?

EDIT: also, who's to say that none of these submissions aren't "professional" work.  you're degrading some of the designers on this sight.
Personally, from a designers perspective I agree with craig. Contests are a great way to get your name out. In the past I have participated in contests (and haven't necessarily won) but I have gotten contacted about future work. 

There is a point at which you should just move on from contests, but that should be when you are so well recognized as a designer that your site gets traffic without the need for promotion. Until then, contests really help fuel the industry. It gives everyone a shot at the prize, rather than just fueling the big guns.
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I'd consider maybe one percent, if that, of the work presented here to be genuinely professional quality.

The design industry will continue to be undervalued while the "Why pay a professional designer when we can just run a contest" mentality is allowed to exist.
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Originally posted by slipnslide

I'd consider maybe one percent, if that, of the work presented here to be genuinely professional quality.

The design industry will continue to be undervalued while the "Why pay a professional designer when we can just run a contest" mentality is allowed to exist.

and i'm still going to call you out until you say why you truly feel this way.  are you an expert on professional designs?  apparently you are.  thanks for your expert evaluation.

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i actually agree with that. It happens all over brighton (in the UK) and my mate is constantly having to put in often ridiculous amounts of work on competing for bids by working to a spec BEFORE even seeing any money. If youre a huge company you can probably section off a few people to work on it and make the pitch, but if youre a small business (and he is, though he has pretty decent success in truth because hes quite talented), then the time spent designing x amount of logos and a webpage is time that you could be spending on your current client's work. And thats frankly absurd. If people want you, they should look at your portfolio and pay for the work theyre making you do.

Still, that doesnt negate competitions. If a company is doing a community based competition well thats fine and dandy since they want the final design to be from the community itself :p Its just like any competition that requires a bit of work from the participants. My mate (different one) just tried to make me come up with a slogan for some hippy yoga refuge because if she can make one they like more than their current one she can stay there for free. Needless to say i couldnt help her. because just like my designing abilities, i dont have a single creative bone in my body :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/02/2010 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by craigalicious

Originally posted by slipnslide

I'd consider maybe one percent, if that, of the work presented here to be genuinely professional quality.

The design industry will continue to be undervalued while the "Why pay a professional designer when we can just run a contest" mentality is allowed to exist.

and i'm still going to call you out until you say why you truly feel this way.  are you an expert on professional designs?  apparently you are.  thanks for your expert evaluation.


It's 'experts' like slipnslide that chose the London 2012 Olympic logos :p


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so what you're basically saying is that its not possible for an average designer who is passionate about snowboarding to invest his or her time to provide an idea in the form of a logo to represent a company that that individual could possibly be more connected to on any level than an outside designer that that company would outsource this work to?

Im not saying a contracted designer wouldn't make a sweet logo....

but as a designer myself (and no I don't specialize in logos - nor do I have the time to invest in this specific contest) I think this is a great opportunity for someone passionate about snowboarding to TRY to make something.

Obviously not all the entries are made by professionals, that doesn't mean those people aren't capable of having a great idea, nor that that idea could be realized by someone who CAN do the work. See the above entry that was drawn on paper, that's absolutely acceptable, if the idea was amazing, it could be worked by a designer into something useable online/print etc.



Like Craig and Odoyal have said, this is a great opportunity and not a wrong doing - nor an undervalue to designers. There are tons of companies that run contests for design. Heres a few examples for you: Roxy design a bathing suit, rossignol scratch ski design, Matix sweater design contest. the list is long. all these big companies run contests when they could just get their design team to do the work.



I think you just have a really strong personal view of the subject for some reason.... which you didn't really explain.

are you part of the design industry?
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