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    Posted: Oct/31/2010 at 1:48pm
I'm looking for a little help on making sure my binding setup is all good...
I found a little "guide" I suppose you'd call it on an old post on a forum about rotating highbacks and it seemed useful. (Very Last Post)
Link: http://www.snowboardingforum.com/boards/10191-rotating-highbacks-3.html

Almost useless para. about my experience
I Ski'd when I was 3-12, havent since then. I've been snowboarding since I was 10 or so and I'm 20 now, never been able to go more than a few times a year, all recreational and learned all the basics when I was young...this year I have a season pass and a place to stay in the mountains so I'm going 4/7 days a week so I'm trying to kind of up my progression this season. Been trying to learn everything I can before I get on the snow this year, even re-learned the basics I was taught when I was younger so I'm not using any bad technique.

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The issue I was reading up on the thread was about rotating my highbacks to make them parallel with the edge of the board as many people were recommending. I took a bunch of pictures which I threw into an album on photobucket so they're all grouped up, I didnt get any "before" pictures but honestly I think they were probably wrong in the first place, I didn't feel completely comfortable with the setup the other year but I didn't get to use it much.
Album: http://s1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa322/Skio25/Highbacks/

They're burton freestyle bindings, the outside adjustment of the front binding is all the way forward (Forward as in toeside) and the inside adjustment of the front binding is near the middle. The outside of the rear binding highback isn't all the way forward but pretty close, and the inside is almost equivalent. I had to move them quite a bit I followed most of the guide (except the baseplate/boot centering because it was fine originally). Did the forward lean first (its at F3 on the burton scale), adjusted the highback manually to form to the heelcup, threw the boot in and tightened her a bit and maneuvered it some more so it seemed flush with good support. But it seemed like I flexed the highback a lot to get it to become parallel (More so on the front binding because its 15 degrees) My stance is Goofy - Duck 15 front/-9 back.
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 It feels pretty good but that doesn't mean anything until I can ride on snow which wont be for at least a few more weeks but I wanted to be sure there isn't anything absolutely wrong. I'm probably going to be doing a lot of adjusting/experimenting this season but if I can get a fairly comfortable setup it should help cut down on that.

Thanks for any advice.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/31/2010 at 1:56pm
i had tried turning my highbacks.. i hated it. so i put it back to where it was and im fine again :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/31/2010 at 2:22pm
your left highback doesnt look parallel.  ive had it off center a bit myself depending on the angles, because i couldnt put the highback all the way down..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/31/2010 at 2:38pm

Originally posted by Skio25



 It feels pretty good but that doesn't mean anything until I can ride on snow which wont be for at least a few more weeks but I wanted to be sure there isn't anything absolutely wrong. I'm probably going to be doing a lot of adjusting/experimenting this season but if I can get a fairly comfortable setup it should help cut down on that.
Thanks for any advice.

 
the bold part is really the most important part of your post.  
 
also, I think you answered your own question.
Originally posted by skio25

But it seemed like I flexed the highback a lot to get it to become parallel
 
yea... you probably slid the outside too far forward vs. how far back you put the inside. Just let the rotation be as parallel to the edge as it 'naturally' wants to be without adding additional pressure to one side or the other.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/31/2010 at 2:52pm
Originally posted by idshredhead

Originally posted by skio25

But it seemed like I flexed the highback a lot to get it to become parallel
 
yea... you probably slid the outside too far forward vs. how far back you put the inside. Just let the rotation be as parallel to the edge as it 'naturally' wants to be without adding additional pressure to one side or the other.


If i understand correctly, what you're saying is basically if I were to take off the highback...when I adjust the rotation the two bolt points should be lined up as they are when its "at rest - or not screwed in/flexed" and move them proportionally.
Since that probably didn't make any sense here's a microsoft paint diagram of what I mean:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/31/2010 at 3:25pm
yes, in theory your picture was exactly what I was talking about. In reality, it probably won't be that simple(or 'straight' across if you will). If you noticed what that guy said in his post on snowboardingforum,
 
"rotating your highbacks to be parallel is(can be) a pain in the ass."
 
Which, in my experience with certain brands, is true. Burtons have rotated pretty easily for me, but I usually only rotate them a little bit.  Just get them as close(to parallel) as you want for now, making sure they still sit on your heelcup well, and try it out.  Like you said, you will have to experiment with different set-ups to find out what you prefer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/31/2010 at 3:32pm

All that really matters as far as highback rotation is concerned is that the top part of the highback--the part that really supports your boot--is as close to parallel to the centerline of your board as possible.

And if this means flexing your highbacks "legs" in order to do so--then so be it.

Just make sure to screw it down nice and tight to keep it in place.

I have been riding Burton Bindings for a long time and I have always routinely maxed-out my Burton Bindings' outer "highback rotation slots" in order to achieve the desired degree of rotation.  The opposite/inner highback's "leg" is set to wherever the outer setting now "forces" the inner to be--and yes, you must torque/flex the highbacks' "legs" out of their "natural/free-standing" shape to do so--this is not a problem--they are made of very durable plastic and will not break.

To adjust the highback rotation on Burton Bindings, set the highbacks' outside leg to wherever it needs to be, forcefully pull the highback's heelcup back into the baseplate's heelcup as snugly as possible while the highback is still "seating/mating/inter-facing" correctly on top of the baseplate's heelcup, and then just set the highback's inside leg to wherever it must now be located in its slot.

All that matters is how your highbacks are in their upright/operational/riding position.

Maybe you should do a ("site") search for "highback rotation" and research the subject...

Research "forward lean" as well while you're at it...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/31/2010 at 3:58pm
Originally posted by idshredhead

...making sure they still sit on your heelcup well, and try it out.


Originally posted by PATKOUG

Set the highbacks' outside leg to wherever it needs to be, forcefully pull the highback back into the heelcup as snugly as possible while it is still "seating/mating/inter-facing" correctly on top of the heelcup, and then just set the highback's inside leg to wherever it must now be/go.


Keeping it flush with the heelcup helped a lot when i let it just roam free and tried to move it parallel. Didn't get them entirely parallel but looks better than where they were "leg" wise. Going to try riding it like this and then try adjusting it to where it's as close to absolute parallel after I get used to riding it as it is now.
Issue solved.
Thanks for the help.
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