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    Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 5:23pm
so im selling stuff online for the first time and im wondering what i should know about not getting screwed.
how does paypal help/work?
it seems like i can just give them my email address for paypal to work?
if they paypal me payment and i ship it, can they tell paypal to take the money back?  after i ship it theres not much i can do.  what if the post office loses the package (which has happened to me twice from sierra orders).  do i need to get trackign and insurance? and how much more would that cost?

thanks.
this isnt really board room talk but its neither classifieds nor gear talk so i just took a shot.  mods please move it as you see fit. ty.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 5:36pm
Get tracking. Just get it. It's such a useful service it should be on every parcel.

PayPal has never caused me any trouble. I'm not the biggest user, but I believe the only way they could tell PayPal to reverse the payment is by contesting your item. If I understand it right, PayPal then contacts you to see if you're legit. If you are (probably by providing proof you've shipped the item), you're then clear.

I would believe it's buyer's responsibility to pay for insurance if they want it, for the very reason you listed. Once you ship the item out, your part of the transaction is done.

My biggest words to you would be ensure your address is right on PayPal. I had a little snafu last spring with an item IceCoast shipped to me being shipped to my old address because of PayPal not updating right. Just double check it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 6:10pm
Always get tracking when you're trying to sell stuff online. With the tracking number, the buyer can't take their money back if they say that they didn't receive it. Make sure you have a solid agreement. If you're using ebay, that should basically be taken care of for you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 6:19pm
thanks for the response guys
eyedolon, when you said "proof of shipping" were you referring to tracking info or a reciept from the post office?

should i get the signature required thing or any of the other extras?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 6:31pm
Paypal is legit and fair in my experience. They can't really screw you they need to file a dispute and both parties are contacted, all pretty fair. I would definately say get if not tracking then at minimum delivery confirmation (unless you're selling cheap things like beanies, dvds, socks or something - Delivery confirmation is usually like a dollar something if i recall correctly.)

Difference between delivery confirmation and tracking is with delivery conf. it just basically says it was delivered and when.

I would get tracking on anything over $40, obviously if you're selling a board you may want a signature and/or insurance.

What are you selling out of curiosity, or have you already found a buyer?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 6:36pm
Originally posted by Skio25

What are you selling out of curiosity, or have you already found a buyer?
a lot of stuff in the classifieds.
mods im not spamming, i swears it master  Cry

skio, if delivery confirmation works to prove my innocence, why pay extra for tracking?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 8:02pm
I would say paypal is definitely the most safest way, since emt or any other payment would be too risky. The only thing about paypal is that the sellers will always get screwed without proof.

When you mention delivery confirmation, doesn't that only show up on tracking?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 8:08pm
Paypal is only safe when you are using it with ebay. If you get screwed paypal isn't going to do anything.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 8:15pm
paypal is a great company.  i still remember when they froze my account after i sold two ps3's after the release for 3 months.

or when i got scammed and they told me their guarantee did not apply b/c........no reason.  proved to them it did and it took them about 3 months to get me my money back

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 9:21pm
Paypal is great if you are using Ebay because the two companies have an agreement.  If you use Paypal to send or receive payments for stuff on a forum, you do so at your own risk.  I like using Paypal for my online purchases where available.  It makes it quicker and I don't have to put in my credit card info.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by SirGounder

Paypal is great if you are using Ebay because the two companies have an agreement. 


eBay owns paypal.

You always run the risk of getting scammed.  If they seem fishy, don't sell it to them.  Trust your gut.

Sell locally on craigslist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 9:54pm
From my experience as buyer and seller both on and off ebay, paypal can only take the money back if the purchase is made through ebay, otherwise if you just send a person an invoice there is nothing the other person can do to get the money back
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 9:59pm
Originally posted by azn_dan

When you mention delivery confirmation, doesn't that only show up on tracking?
well according to skio25, "Difference between delivery confirmation and tracking is with delivery conf. it just basically says it was delivered and when."
Originally posted by gsrrr


You always run the risk of getting scammed.  If they seem fishy, don't sell it to them.  Trust your gut.
well im trying to find out what this fishy activity is so i can avoid them.  from everyone elses responses it seems im probably safe as a seller and they cant just take their money back after i ship it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 10:09pm
Try your best to ship to a confirmed paypal address only.  This way you know it's not a hacked paypal account and get f'd in the end.

Anywayyyyyy.... so when are we gonna meet for that board? :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 10:15pm
Paypal can get the money back from you if the money was from a stolen card.

Best way to try and protect yourself is to send with confirmation and insurance.

Nothing is 100%
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2010 at 10:56pm
How not to get screwed using paypal.

If you are selling:

Never ship until payment clears

Make sure the paypal is verified

Email address and paypal email are the same

Shipping address should be same as above

ALWAYS TRACK / Insure

You can get some sort of notarized form or even use your bank if the transaction is sketchy.

The list is endless. I'm sure if you google it you can find even more ways.


Also one thing I have found is that if you really are concerned about it, stick it on ebay and have the buyer purchase it through there that way all parties are protected. I've never had a problem with doing this as a buyer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/07/2010 at 1:10am
on paper paypal is great but in practice going through any of the processes is going to be painful, but at least there is an option unlike other payment options so you should consider that at least.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/07/2010 at 3:24am
I've been using PayPal since 2001 or so and have never had a problem.  I never even thought about some if the issues others have mentioned here and some of them make sense.  I might change some of my shipping habits based on what I've read. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/07/2010 at 4:20am
there are too many scams.  I only use paypal on ebay when dealing with private classifieds.  Not doing paypal on stuff like craigslist.  Too many scams.  I only buy locally for those types.  I'd rather pay more than risk getting scammed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/07/2010 at 4:28am
paypal will f you over no matter what even with a tracking number they dont give 2 shits about you   its all about the $$$$

i sent a 300 sweater w a tracking and everything confirmed the sweater arrived at the persons house even w a signature to get it and then he called paypal and said he never got it, i had to provide proof he got which i did w tracking num and his sig from when it was delivered paypal said that wasent enuff to get my $ back even though they told me thats all i needed

bottom line i was out 300 and lost all faith in ebay and paypal


try and sell on craigslist or kijjiji in your area where you can do face to face
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/07/2010 at 4:49am
supreme you got screwed over big time, if that's case it's like stealing legally. I would have called the local police to file theft charges.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/07/2010 at 5:08am
My Sister uses Kijiji all the time and has worked out well for her. She like to buy and sell fish and Lizzards. The hard part is arranging a time to either deliver or for them to pick it up.
Some times people don't respond back after they say they are interested but at least you still have what you are selling.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/07/2010 at 7:31am
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i had to provide proof he got which i did w tracking num and his sig from when it was delivered paypal said that wasent enuff to get my $ back even though they told me thats all i needed
bottom line i was out 300 and lost all faith in ebay and paypal 
wait so how did paypal justify that?  what else could you possibly give them?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/07/2010 at 8:27am
Make sure you get tracking.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/07/2010 at 8:32am
i can def tell you to be careful about using paypal outside of ebay.  folks think you have all the same protections, but you def don't.  as painful as it is, read a lot of that small print before doing any transactions where some real coin is at stake.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/07/2010 at 8:38am
My advice is to be very clear what the terms of your agreement are when you send the invoice.  If you just send for "stuff" then you have no recourse if you get screwed.
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