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Scorer099
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Topic: A note about snowboards...Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 3:09pm |
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I've seen a lot of bitching and moaning lately about boards breaking, snapping, chipping, etc... and almost every time the owner says "it just happened", or "i don't know what happened". Well here is a news flash for you all: Board do not just break or snap... shocking i know. If you have a board that break/or snaps there are really only two things that could have caused it, 1) you hit something, or 2) you land heavy. Both of which are the operators fault. End of story. Impact damage is not something any company will claim to warranty, but yes, sometimes you can get lucky if you sen it in. Most of you know that impact damage is not covered by warranty, so don't act shocked or surprised when you don't get a new one.
As for "chipping", big freaking deal. It is a snowboard not a sports car. It shows no reflection on the quality of boards or what-not. Face it, your going to get hit with skis//poles/boards in the lift line, deal with it. Think about it this way; if it was a car and your in a parking lot you are eventually and inevitably going to get some door dings or paint chips from other people, but does that mean the car is a piece of crap and you need to whine and bitch about it? No. The third thing is "base damage". Here is your answer to when to get it fixed: If you see wood or fiberglass, fill it in. If not, don't worry about it. The only other times to really even consider P-tex is if the gouge is along an edge or if there is a considerable gouge that run perpendicular to the boards edge and you can feel it dragging. Bottom line: It's a snowboard, it is made to be ridden and ridden hard, it can be replaced very easily. If you stop worrying about every little nick and scratch i guranteed you will have more fun riding. Ride like you don't give a crap what happens to the board and i bet you start finding lines more enjoyable. |
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GHOS7
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Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 3:12pm |
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Thanks good info
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matts1548
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Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 3:14pm |
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and wax every 2-3 times
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Maximus
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Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 3:14pm |
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Never have I ever heard of a snowboard snapping before.
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matts1548
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Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 3:17pm |
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neither have I, only the nose breaking in two from hitting straight onto an end of a rial (not me). I didnt even think they could snap haha |
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IceCoast
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Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 3:18pm |
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Scorer099
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Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 3:18pm |
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That is completely subjective to snow conditions. |
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Scorer099
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Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 3:19pm |
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Accuracy. |
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sandysun
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Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 3:24pm |
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thanks for the perspective.
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Aus_Boarder
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Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 5:27pm |
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+1 Scorer. I agree, particularly with the points about the chips and scratches. It is just a board, if it is scratched or chipped it doesn't ride differently.
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Timmay_650
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Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 7:45pm |
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Well boards can have a manufacturer defect in them and break a lot easier than they should. But I would bet 90% of the time it isn't that. They happen with everything but I have only seen it with a skateboard. My friend got a new deck and broke it 2 days later on a smaller trick. Sent it in and got a new one.
I think a lot of people think it takes a lot to break a snowboard and that is true but you can do it off small things and I have seen that more. They do a small flip (on purpose or accident) and the land hard and fast on the tail or the nose and it breaks. It is the fast flexing action that breaks the board.
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yechiboarder770
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Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 7:58pm |
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Just got a nice side wall gouge fixed, thanks stupid random tree stump. And I don't think I could snap a board and I'm 240lbs and land hard.
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Scorer099
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Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 8:03pm |
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Almost any manufacturing defect is going to come out in the first 3 weeks of a boards usage on average. As for those who say it is hard to break a board, it is actually much easier than you think. It is all about where the force happens. Most boards when they break are going to break along the outside of the bindings. You put the right force and pressure in that area and it isn't that hard to get boards to snap. |
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spenser
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Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 8:05pm |
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which is why warranty against manufacturing defects for 2-3 (or more) years is a fals pro of a board brand, although of course its still a "why not" type of pro cause at least they will stand behind their product a couple years down the road.. its just so unlikely to ever come into play
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Scorer099
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Posted: Jan/02/2011 at 8:07pm |
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Agreed. |
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STRICK-9
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 12:17am |
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I got all kinds of gouges on the first day of this season on my first new board....collateral damaage I say...shit happens doesn't it.
I haven't quite understood all of the complaining about boards, it's going to happen. |
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tomek77pl
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 6:39am |
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i never saw a board snap i think that would be very difficult to do
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zakk
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 6:42am |
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all the "ZOMG my board chipped! what do I do!?!!" threads are eclipsed only by the number of threads asking what pants looks cool with this jacket and finding binders that match the topsheet.
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-zakk
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SnowJock
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 6:46am |
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OMG MY BOARD IS CHIPPING@ What should I do???????
RIDE SOME MORE! |
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dangerzone9k
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 6:52am |
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my custom x snapped in half!! Who wants to buy me another one?
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tw0scoops
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 8:58am |
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It always sucks getting the first nicks or scratches or whatever in a board or anything for that matter. But I agree, these things get ridden hard and aren't made to last for decades.
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Piantball33
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 9:07am |
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+1000 This really makes a big difference for me. I've gotten great lines even on busy days because people are afraid to hit a rock or something. |
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steezmastaflex
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 9:21am |
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^^I agree stop bitching about scratches and chips. Skis chip and scratch way more than boards...they are gonna get abused get over it
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latinaxgamer
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 9:25am |
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You've brought some good points to my attention. I have been pretty paranoid about people scratching my board. I'll keep all this in mind next time I go out there.
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diviesti
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 11:53am |
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This needs to be written in some forum/snowboard handbook.
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quik217
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 12:08pm |
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Amen Brotha!
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robnezz23
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 12:10pm |
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All very good points Scorer099.
However, I will contend that for some people, their snowboard cannot be replaced "very easily" due to a lack of cash. I used to be in that situation, and every time I rode my board I was soooo careful to take extra special care of it. And got pissed off when people hit my board in the lift line. But your bottom line is dead on correct: when I stopped worrying about every nick/scratch/small gouge my riding progressed much faster and I had more fun on the hill. So, point it and enjoy it!
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broys
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 12:11pm |
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My girlfriend worked at a resort last year and the South American transfer employee kids that rented demo boards managed to break 3 in about a weeks time and I really couldn't fathom how they were doing it, I've never seen a broken board either.
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Angry Midget Yo
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 12:14pm |
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Agree but you should never be a douche and bump boards either. |
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Angry Midget Yo
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 12:16pm |
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When they end up breaking the boards, they end up paying an arm and a leg for it right? |
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Boogeyman24
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 12:23pm |
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but if my board chips i can't look super stylish while riding!!!
we all know looks > performance, right? |
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Say Shhhhhh...
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PICKLES
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 1:33pm |
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I agree! A few weeks ago, I walked into a shop and this guy was asking if he could get his board sent in for warranty work. The metal edge was basically ripped off and dragged as he rode. The damage came from park riding. So the shop clerk told him to break his board in half and claim it "just happened". I had a smirk on my face as I laughed inside.
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Weather, comply!
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pbesson
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 1:36pm |
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im sorry im new to snowboarding, would that actually work? would they be dumb enough to believe that? |
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Scorer099
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 1:39pm |
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No, with the advent of Craiglsit, eBay, second hand stores, etc, boards can be gotten for very cheap. The whole "I need the newest and best stuff" mentality is what keeps people from replacing their stuff easily. Sorry, but probably 80% of riders they aren't going to notice the differences when riding between the $250 Burton board, the $600 Burton board, or the $1600 Burton board. |
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julius77
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 1:48pm |
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Great post, but I still feel a little sad every time I see a cracked board. It's like looking at wasted potential.
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 1:56pm |
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truth here in this OP. when i stopped using my "new and awesome" deck. took out the beat up one and didnt give a flying crap if it got a little banged up. i had 10 times more fun
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 2:00pm |
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why not just ride with reckless abandon when riding the "new and awesome" deck? |
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-zakk
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eldolocal68
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AMEN, I wrapped my '02 Arbor around a tree, cracked the crap out of the top sheet,between the bindings, edge to edge eight inches long, hundreds of hair line cracks, was worried about the integrity of the board, called Arbor, and Bob told me to slap some varnish on it to keep water from getting in. I use the board to this day, and it still has the pop and camber as the day I got it. I ride mostly Arbors, and they're beautiful boards, but like the OP says you can't worry about your boards when you ride, take care of them, but to baby them, is to waste them.
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Charb
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 2:31pm |
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very interesting point of view. not all that bad though.
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Mike4snow
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 3:36pm |
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Did anyone else find it ironic that Scorer099 started a forum about not caring what your board looks like as long as you're having fun, and then the quote under his profile says "I'm just here to look cool..."
Just wondering. The point is still valid, but I found it funny.
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I think I finally agree with one of your post Scorrer.
I find that if I try to keep a board nice it gets shtooked up way faster. If I just don't give a crap it never gets hurt. Also, I have 10$ boards I've been trying to sell for ages. They are ultra shtooked so no one will buy them (blown out edges and such). People need to realize that at the end of the day it's just a glorified piece of wood strapped to your body. |
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 6:30pm |
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Agreed. Just ride it and go.
I admit I am careful when I don't know if I'll like something and might sell it on Craigslist after half a season, but if I'm sure I'm keeping something then I could care less long as it still rides well.
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ROLL ON, BISHES.
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TheLuckster
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 6:35pm |
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Never had a snowboard severely damaged. but true who cares?
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Scorer099
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Posted: Jan/03/2011 at 10:10pm |
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As if i give a flying fuck*... |
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KilgoreTrout
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I had my Burton Custom V-rock out this weekend and broke the nose on it. Top sheet and core is broken from the front contact point to nearly the middle of the board. I know something happened, I honestly don't know what though. I didn't hit anything (no impact marks). It was a powder day and all of my landings were soft. Sucks I only had the board out 6 times. Not sure if warranty will cover me.
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andrethegiant
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Posted: Jan/04/2011 at 10:44am |
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only time ive heard of boards breaking are when pros get pissed and throw em at a rail. and even then they normally dont haha
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come on... of course people should care. If I spent $1000 just getting to a resort and my board breaks, I'm gonna be pretty pissed. I have to either buy a new one on the spot or rent a board. This cost MONEY. Renting is like $50 a day. $250 over 5 days... this is not a small sum of cash to throw away.
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I hate folks who blame the board for their performance. At the end of the day, if you're a good rider you'll adjust to your chips & scrapes!
Way to be ANGRY Scorer99 |
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Timmay_650
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I will admit I have trouble too being reckless on my new decks too but not on my rock board but my rock board has gotten slower b/c of all the base damage (it has a lot) more then I care to try and fix all of it. But I think there is a happy place in the middle with nice decks. But I did buy my rock board for $25 and have already rode it over 10 days. Still rides fine.
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