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    Posted: Nov/05/2012 at 6:53am
Hey TruSnow:  My cousin is ready to start shredding this year.  Problem:  He's got HUGE calvs, (we're talking 20 inches plus!) but only wears about a 8.5 or so boot.  He broke his foot a few years back, it got infected, and he walked on one leg for over a year... it made for one really big calf muscle, and the other is just big.  Any reccomendations on a "wide calfed boot?"  Or maybe just a boot with a lower height? 
 
/ don't you dare just say "try some on."  He has. A lot.  So far, the Rome Libertine (trad lacing) fit OK, the Burton Moto was decent (the zonal lacing let him keep one half really loose), and one from K2 was hit or miss.  He like the feel of my Burton Rulers, but we just want to make sure.  He's tried on some Burtons, K2s, Romes, Solomons, and even a pair of Morrows or whatever the heck they were.
 
Remember that DC Park boot that only had 1/2 a liner? Would that help at all??
 
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best thing he can do is keep trying stuff on until he find something that works.  Don't get boa... i would go with traditional lace bc he is going to need certain areas tighter than others due to the odd shape.  Dual zone stuff like rome and burton speedzone would be ok but again.. more adjustment can be made with traditional laces.  Whatever boot fits the best is the one he should go with.  KEEP TRYING THEM ON.
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I have a question regarding boot fitting.

Im currently using Burton ruler with green Superfeet. My arch would hurt if I do any ground tricks or buttering/jump. What could be causing this problem? Im not sure if its the superfeet or the overall fit of my boots.
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  Quote Lux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/09/2012 at 7:03am
Originally posted by Peekaboo

I have a question regarding boot fitting.

Im currently using Burton ruler with green Superfeet. My arch would hurt if I do any ground tricks or buttering/jump. What could be causing this problem? Im not sure if its the superfeet or the overall fit of my boots.
This used to happen to me all the time. The pain is from fatigue of your foot arch caused by tensing your arch muscles (by curling your toes) too much or for too long. You might not be doing it deliberately, but your body is doing it as a natural reaction when trying to manipulate the snowboard, but it doesn't understand that your footbed is solid non-movable. It could be affected by the insole as well; if your foot is not fit properly, it will constantly try to readjust itself by tensing up foot muscles. I use the Superfeet orange instead of green because of my high foot arch (like that of a woman's) and a deeper heelcup. You can try to mellow out the support with a blue or make it stronger with an orange. Superfeet also makes snowboard-specific inserts, but I have not tried them yet; and from what I can see, they're very similar to their orange insole anyway.
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I bought a pair of Burton Ambush boots two weeks ago. The first time riding in them, they really hurt my feet and caused my toes to go numb. The pain is coming from the balls of my feet. I figured I just needed to break them in and that the next time out they would feel better. Well I went up yesterday and had the same problems. At first they feel fine, but after about 10 minutes my feet start to go numb and my toes get really cold. I figured I was cutting the circulation off and so I loosened the lower zone which helped a little bit, but they still hurt. I am worried that they aren't going to get any better and that I will need to sell them or hopefully be able to return them. When I bought them, I tried on a few different boots and different sizes and these fit the best. My toes just barely touch the end of the boot just like my old Sabbaths. We heat molded them in the store, but I'm not sure that really did much. I'm not sure that going up a half a size will fix this issue, maybe the Ambush is just too narrow for me? Any ideas?
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Originally posted by DarksideGTI

I bought a pair of Burton Ambush boots two weeks ago. The first time riding in them, they really hurt my feet and caused my toes to go numb. The pain is coming from the balls of my feet. I figured I just needed to break them in and that the next time out they would feel better. Well I went up yesterday and had the same problems. At first they feel fine, but after about 10 minutes my feet start to go numb and my toes get really cold. I figured I was cutting the circulation off and so I loosened the lower zone which helped a little bit, but they still hurt. I am worried that they aren't going to get any better and that I will need to sell them or hopefully be able to return them. When I bought them, I tried on a few different boots and different sizes and these fit the best. My toes just barely touch the end of the boot just like my old Sabbaths. We heat molded them in the store, but I'm not sure that really did much. I'm not sure that going up a half a size will fix this issue, maybe the Ambush is just too narrow for me? Any ideas?


With heat molding it's still not going well? Might be a lost cause. I'd wear them 2-3 hours around your house the next few days and see how it goes. My 32's were killing my toes before I did this...now they're absolutely perfect.
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  Quote DarksideGTI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/06/2013 at 2:30pm
Yeah we heat molded them in store. What is strange is that my old Sabbaths, which fit like a dream were size 11. The Ambush are size 10, I tried on the 11's but my toes weren't touching the end of the boot. With the 10's my toes are touching the end of the boot, but not cramped at all. This is how I have always sized my boots and they have always felt good. I am wondering if the problem is the width of the smaller boot. I will try them around the house some more. I initially tried that, but took them off when my feet started to go numb. There is also the possibility they are cutting off the plantar arteries on the top of the foot which is causing the numbness.
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maybe you should also play around with how tight your wearing them? Didn't see it mentioned but you may be able to get away with no heel lift while also having it not as tight, which in turn may not cause your feet to go numb. Just a suggestion. Hopefully everything work out.
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is zero heel lift possible?
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Ok guys and gals... I'm really tired of my feet hurting.  I've mentioned it before, but I have really wide feet, and after a while, every boot i've worn has absolutly killed me.  My current Burton Rulers are pretty nice on the easier type runs, park, and relaxed laps.  But, as soon as I get back into the double blacks with the long technical "run outs" (flat ish with humps, jumps, and the wavey things skiers make on them)... i can't even stand up anymore... let alone want to do another run. The pain generally screams down the outside of my foot, but can also be in the arch area.
 
I have different (non stock) insols, and i don't even tighten the lower zone anymore on my boot... this helps, but makes for tons of heel lift.
 
This has been my MO for 11 years now, but now i'm getting old enough to just plain not want to do it anymore.
 
So, the only option i think i have left is to get the Solomon Dialog in wide.  But, surprise surprise... there is NO place that i can find to actually try them on!  My rulers and my 32 lashed felt great wile "carpet boarding" and walking around in the house... but they kill once put to the test. 
 
Anyone try out these wide(r) boots before?  how wide are they?  My running shoes are size 8EEEE but i can also get away with 8.5EE.  Someone online said they felt like EEE width.  Does anyone know if i bought them in 8 or 8.5, will they still fit my M/L Union Atlas bindings?
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I'm surprised the 32's didn't work for you.. they fit a wider foot better than say most burton boots.  how exactly did they kill? how long did you wear them?  did you have any wiggle room in them when you first got them? heat mold them?  Did the insoles you buy fit your foot match your arch to provide enough support?  Pretty tough to deal with boot fit issues on the internets unfortunately... if nothing at all is working for you it might be time to drop some coin on some actual custom cork footbeds or orthotics
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I'm having a hard time finding a good foot pic on the google, but the pain is mostly in the 5th metatarsal (or the bones around it).  even right now it's kind of a dull ache.  maybe "turf toe" of that joint?  maybe brevis tendon or one of its subsidiaries?  

I wore my 32s for what... two or three seasons?  they got worse and worse.  I used to work at a place that could heat mold them, so i did it often.  I put them on again last night, and its the toe box itself that is too tight.  i was even considering cutting holes into the liner's toe box on them and giving that a try... I haven't worn them for two years, so it couldn't hurt, right?


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seems to me if they were getting worse and worse as your wore them they were packing out and your foot was probably moving around a bit?  do you remember if that was the case?  if so, you would want to start off with a smaller size to begin with to combat the packing out.  you might also just have a freak foot Wink  
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JDig - Have you considered seeing a sports podiatrist?  

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Originally posted by MTpow

seems to me if they were getting worse and worse as your wore them they were packing out and your foot was probably moving around a bit?  do you remember if that was the case?  if so, you would want to start off with a smaller size to begin with to combat the packing out.  you might also just have a freak foot Wink  
 
 
Well, pulled the trigger on the Salomon Synapse Wide in an 8.5 last night.  I'll let you guys know how it goes. 
 
Pow - you know, you maybe on to something about the boots breaking down in key places.  My Rulers fit wonderfully for about 25 days, and maybe that's all I'm going to get out of them.  Orthods may help keep the next pair from breaking down too quickly.  also.. i'm thinking "freak foot" is probably the key words there! LOL
 
Sideways - Thanks for the link man!  There's a guy in my town, and it sertainly couldn't hurt to visit with him.  This is not a snowboarding only problem for me, so it may help muchos.
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  Quote MTpow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/14/2013 at 7:30am
good call..sounds like a visit to the ortho might do you good.

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Well,
Two days in the new boots: Solamon Synapse Wide in 8.5. 
First impressions:
1. stock footbed was garbage. the boot was wide, but the footbed was not. it had to go.  switched to my normal cheapo 3/4 length.
2. sole is way thinner and firmer than my Rulers or 32s were.  i could feel every pebble in the parking lot in them.  This was bad for comfort in the lodge and etc, but great for board feel and performance.
3. way stiffer/more responsive than my Rulers were.  a noticable differance for the better for performance.  not as comfy to walk around in, more like a ski oot with the built in lean, but this is by far from a deal breaker.  I noticed less heel lift and more power through toe side turns all day both days.
4. only wore them on two t-shirt weather days, but my feet were super warm.  almsot too warm with my smartwool phd's.  (probably helped heat mold them faster though!)
5. lacing system: people say they have a love it or hate it relationship.  i'm leaning love it so far.  not as handy as the burton speed lace system, but even riding all the slush i rode, never even hinted at looseining up.  top and bottom are independant of each other.
6. liners: soft, squishy, really neat harness system that pulls your achillies and the area twoards the front of the boot.  you can crank them down, so they feel snug, with the boots unlaced even.  neat little locking device holds all day.
7. traction: bomber on the ice around the lodge in spring conditions.
8. important one... fit/comfort: off the charts so far.  In day two, just to see what happens, i CRANKED them down in the parking lot.  and then totally forgot i did that until we got back to the car at the end of the day.  this is the first time in years that i haven't loosened or even taken my boots off once or more times during the day.  not as nice as walking on a cloud or anything (see #2), but the comfort level was up a few notches for sure.  I'm going to add a better insole over the off season, and i think i'll be good to go for a few years.
 
I'm really hoping this blend of performance/comfort continues.  Big smile  thanks for your help!
 
EDIT: forgot to mention, fit in my Union Atlas bindings, but i'll have some adjustments to make to make them perfectly seemless.  Toe caps kept falling off.  Nothing some adjusting can't handle though. 
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Wow, great guide...thanks for putting that all together. I wish I had seen this last year before I bought my boots. I get heel lift now and have to crank down on the laces to keep my foot relatively in place. Can't wait to buy a new pair, I'm tired of numb feet!
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Try a 3/4 insole.  I get the $10 ones is all, and they give you shock absorbtion and they take up some space in the heel area.
 
Could be a cheap fix for you.
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Also it really helps to get boots with heat moldable liners. All of my Wakeboard and snowboard boots have those liners and no foot is the same and allows it to fit exactly to you. Everything I buy is based around the ability of customization.
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i bought a pair evol snowboarding boots, and everyone keeps telling me that i should return them, because they are not good boots, but i feel like they fit perfectly!! should i return them? or should i hold on to them because they have a good fit and feel comfortable.
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thank you so much, definitely helped me in choosing my first pair :)
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wish i read this last yr.. i bought nice expensive boots that felt great in the store half lace half boa dc's and man i hate them now so much room in the boot shoulda looked for a half size down.. everyone should really take time on finding the right boot for your foot not for looks or price
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heat moldable liners and boa laces ftw.. i recently upgraded from the Burton Mints, to the Ride Sage Boa, and man what a difference! The BOA lacing system keeps the boot nice and tight, and the moldable liners keep my arches from feeling like death
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I have been doing a ton of reading and have tried a bunch of different boots on but its hard when you are in the store to get a true feel.  I have had my burton Sabbaths for years.  They are just destroyed... I went with DC Judges (2013 model) last year and just had a few days in Vermont.  My feet and legs are killing me. I do all mountain riding nothing to hardcore just some small jumps and lots of carving.  I am getting really bad bruising on my calfs and lots of spot pain in my heel.  Also get a ton of heel lift.  Just not happy in this boot.  Was thinking of trying out the Nike zoom boots or going back to a lace up instead of a boa.  Just looking for some thoughts..  I have a lot of riding ahead of me and just miserable right now.. Here are some pics of the bruising i am getting Again any help would be really apprecaited.  I wear a size 12 boot... Ride duck footed regular..

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if boa don't fit you, go back to lace, at least that's what i did and won't look back (beside deeluxe offer a really nice dual zone system that only take 5 secs the most to get them tight. love them for years).
tbh, big calf and boa (at least single boa) doesn't mixed well when i had mine. tons of heel lift and just painful to wear. just ditch the boa and get something else. like i had said it many times, happy feet will make you enjoy the day. sad feet just make you quit. it also give you a good reason for a new pair of boots (just try them on as no feet are alike, you have to try for yourself).
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If you go boa, then you should not bother with single boa because most of the time it will not fit correctly especially on your calves, which was why they made dual boa but if dual boa doesn't work for you either then go back to laces.
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i would rather go with fast trac system (deeluxe have two zone pull system that work flawlessly for me over the years) or lace instead of boa (single or dual). boa itself is slow, tire some and one more mechanic to worry about. yeah, you might say it faster than lace, but it is much slower and harder way to adjust compare to fast trac.  And they are much pricier than the other, and they seems to become obsolete over the years. 
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Thanks guys...  The judges are dual Boa...  I am going to shop around.. Used to buying online but i guess i should really invest some more time in getting fitted.  going to try the Nike boots and some 32s..  I have another trip at the end of the month..  hopefully i can figure something out before then.  
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I have been doing a ton of reading and have tried a bunch of different boots on but its hard when you are in the store to get a true feel.  I have had my burton Sabbaths for years.  They are just destroyed... I went with DC Judges (2013 model) last year and just had a few days in Vermont.  My feet and legs are killing me. I do all mountain riding nothing to hardcore just some small jumps and lots of carving.  I am getting really bad bruising on my calfs and lots of spot pain in my heel.  Also get a ton of heel lift.  Just not happy in this boot.  Was thinking of trying out the Nike zoom boots or going back to a lace up instead of a boa.  Just looking for some thoughts..  I have a lot of riding ahead of me and just miserable right now.. Here are some pics of the bruising i am getting Again any help would be really apprecaited.  I wear a size 12 boot... Ride duck footed regular..

I have the same problem on my boots (also have slightly larger calves) and I alleviate most of the bruising by tying my laces more loosely on the upper rungs. My main problem is that my ankle is moving around a lot now that the boot is certainly reaching the end of its service life.

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i would rather go with fast trac system (deeluxe have two zone pull system that work flawlessly for me over the years) or lace instead of boa (single or dual). boa itself is slow, tire some and one more mechanic to worry about. yeah, you might say it faster than lace, but it is much slower and harder way to adjust compare to fast trac.  And they are much pricier than the other, and they seems to become obsolete over the years.  

With this recommendation, I will definitely check out Deeluxe. A lot of Japanese riders that I follow swear by Deeluxe. Problem is that they are a pain in the dick to find a dealer for, especially in my area. To replace my Burton Grail, I was looking at the Nike Lunarendor and Burton Imperial up to now.

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as you can probably tell, i like deeluxe boots a lot. make sure you check out the dual zone version, as they have single pull version as well. both work really well, but you can tweak with the dual zone better. I can't agree with you more on the states side dealers, they are hard to find locally. backcounty should be your first online shop if you want to do that routine. good luck and have fun to try on some new boots.
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On my way home the other day I stopped in a snowboard shop to try some boots on.  They only had one boot in my size in the store.  The Nike LunarEndor..  I will say they were really comfy..  They really do feel like marshmellows..  I didn't wear them for a very long time.  I am still worried about some heel lift I wanted to see if they had the Zooms but they didn't.  I also didn't want to spend 430 bucks but I will if It means i can ride all day long.  Anyone ride these? 


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Seems like Im not the only one with boot fit problem.
I wear size 9.5 and have a relatively flat foot (not complete flat).
I also seem to have a smaller than normal heel.  My two problem is that due to the heel lifting, I tighten my boots really tight on the bottom to prevent somoe of the lifting.  This in conjunction with a semi-flat foot gives a lot of pain on the arch portion of my feet when I ride.  Do any of you have similar problems and a possible solution?
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I ride the zoom ites.  which is what the lunarendor was based on.  for my foot these are some of the best boots I have ever ridden.  I switched from salomon and burton to Nike about 5 years ago because they fit my foot quite a bit better.  I started with the ZF1's and just switched this year to the ites.  The Lunarendor has an even more impressive sole so I'd have to say they are likely just as good as the ites if not better.  Will they work for you?  that I don't know, but they work great for me.

If you are having problems with the boots insole it may be time to invest in custom orthotics, though a good pair will likely cost you a couple hundred if you go to an appropriate bootfitter.  If you don't want that kind of investment, typically something along the lines of the superfeet inserts are still a great improvement. 
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Thanks nfinit.....  I have inserts in my boots now and they did help with arch issues.  I have a pretty flat foot and get arch pain.  They are a bit better than super fit but not custom orthotics..  That may be my next step after I find a boot that doesn't kill every other part of my foot.  I did really like the fit of the Nike..But wanted to try a few more on.  Sick of wasting money on rushed decisions.. 

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I ride the zoom ites.  which is what the lunarendor was based on.  for my foot these are some of the best boots I have ever ridden.  I switched from salomon and burton to Nike about 5 years ago because they fit my foot quite a bit better.  I started with the ZF1's and just switched this year to the ites.  The Lunarendor has an even more impressive sole so I'd have to say they are likely just as good as the ites if not better.  Will they work for you?  that I don't know, but they work great for me.

If you are having problems with the boots insole it may be time to invest in custom orthotics, though a good pair will likely cost you a couple hundred if you go to an appropriate bootfitter.  If you don't want that kind of investment, typically something along the lines of the superfeet inserts are still a great improvement. 
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http://shop.nordstrom.com/c/womens-boots-fit-tips check out here
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Does anyone know what type of boots fit like forum ?
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Different brands have different fit.
Different models of the same brand all have different fit.
Different model years of the same model also fits differently.

So go out and have fun shopping. Extra time spent on trying boots will save you from a lot of foot ache. Go to your local shops and try on as many boots as you can. Be nice to the staff.
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Boots should be the most comfortable fit as possible and heat treated to fit your feet. I like to have laces instead of the boa design because I can snug my boots pretty tight. Friends if mine do have the boa and they like em but I never thought they would work the way I wanted.
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Boots should be the most comfortable fit as possible and heat treated to fit your feet. I like to have laces instead of the boa design because I can snug my boots pretty tight. Friends if mine do have the boa and they like em but I never thought they would work the way I wanted.
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