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    Posted: Jun/19/2014 at 10:52am
it can admiral, depends on the waxes you use for specific conditions I really like a blend of HF toko with the graphite OBJ works great you just adjust the toko temps for snow conditions. 
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Hot wax. I like to mix and blend waxes for best results. I blend some never summer wax from a local shop with swix racing wax. I don't know that it actually makes a difference, but I fell like it does
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Originally posted by Nickaledoe

Yes, a heat gun gets hot fast and an iron gets hot also. Both methods require that you do not stay in one spot for too long.

The heat gun is less forgiving but as to date I have never had a problem since I am extra attentive when I move the heat gun over my board. Keep a safe distance and move it reasonably fast.

Anyways, this method is for people like me who want to have lazy, fast and effective fresh wax every single time they go out. It takes me about 4 minutes to do this.

I started doing this since I only mostly do rails and I don't want to get an iron out and use a ton of wax every single time.

If you choose the right temp, my heat gun waxing job performs better then my friends 4 day old board that was factory waxed.

A typical heat gun ranges from 570 to 1000 degrees. An iron is more like 140. You can also do a fast job with an iron.
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lol, even rub on wax better than factory waxed especially its been used for 4 days.
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  Quote Nickaledoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/12/2014 at 9:08am
Yes, a heat gun gets hot fast and an iron gets hot also. Both methods require that you do not stay in one spot for too long.

The heat gun is less forgiving but as to date I have never had a problem since I am extra attentive when I move the heat gun over my board. Keep a safe distance and move it reasonably fast.

Anyways, this method is for people like me who want to have lazy, fast and effective fresh wax every single time they go out. It takes me about 4 minutes to do this.

I started doing this since I only mostly do rails and I don't want to get an iron out and use a ton of wax every single time.

If you choose the right temp, my heat gun waxing job performs better then my friends 4 day old board that was factory waxed.
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  Quote MikeD13559 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/02/2014 at 7:12pm
^that's really not the best way to wax your board.  those heat guns can get way too hot and damage your base.  You don't get the same kind of coverage and can't get the proper amount of wax on your board. There is a reason why the ski and board techs at shops and resorts use irons.  If using a heat gun and crayoning on wax was a better method they would do that.
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  Quote Nickaledoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/26/2014 at 10:32am
Here is how I do my waxing, and I do it everytime since it is so easy and fast, also it does not use alot of wax!!!

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  Quote alphaod Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/29/2013 at 11:27pm
Mixture of both is where I go.

I do a hot wax once every couple sessions. I usually do all-season wax for this.

Then everyday of riding I use a fluoro rub-on wax. This I can go temperature specific.
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  Quote Mandiiella Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/24/2013 at 6:09am
Hott wax all day everyday
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  Quote jihyungchun Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2013 at 9:06pm
or if you're really confused about waxing... maybe u can drop it off at a shop?
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  Quote spenser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2013 at 2:11pm
Originally posted by bwayne413

Originally posted by Jdiggidy

Ok, here we go again.

There are no "pores" in your base. Think of them as ravines (google image snowboard base under microscope for proof).

Extruded bases have deeper "ravines" so they hold more wax. Sintered bases hold less wax, but are harder by design, hence the lack of friction. All else being equal, they will be faster and more durable because of the hardness.


I think you have that last part backwards. While there might not be "pores" in your base, a sintered base is more "porous" and allows for more wax absorption. Extruded bases are harder, hold less wax and are more durable.


you're both partly right and party incorrect.  sintered base material is more dense/hard than extruded, so it's more durable in the sense that it won't scratch as easily and will stand up to impact better, but while extruded doesn't hold up to impact as well, it's easier to work on because the material is more pliable and easy to fill in with ptex.

sintered bases have deeper "ravines," albeit pretty microscopic.  extruded bases hold less wax because their ravines are much smaller, because of the way they're made.. but part of the design of an extruded base is that you don't really need much wax for it to work, whereas if you've ever ridden a sintered base that was dry, you know how ungodly slow they are.

sintered bases are made of ground up pellets of the material which are pressed into shape with heat (without liquefying the material), which leaves a lot of the structure.. the finishing process done by the factory is what leaves the final structure, though.  extruded bases are made differently, in that the melted ptex is extruded (like spaghetti) out of a hole in a smooth sheet, not leaving much natural structure.  part of the reason they work well with very little or no wax is because they don't have the same structure, so it doesn't suck onto the snow like a sintered base.

sintered and extruded are both normal non-snowboard words, so if you ever forget, just look up the definitions and you can remember how each one is made.
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  Quote Angry Midget Yo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2013 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by amottola

i am looking into buying everything for hot waxing my board this season, and i watched a lot of the how to hot wax videos, but i am not really sure what i still need to get? i understand i need an iron that does not have the holes in it? i also i need a nice scraper, and i need something that i can use to scrape the edge of my board! and of course the hot wax that i am going to pick! but what i don't understand is the stuff i need to clean the old wax off the bottom of my board?? some of the videos did not have people cleaning the bottom of the board first, and others used this type of acid that was not harmful to the skin? if i do need this base cleaning stuff and that is really important, can i please have the name of a good brand that i can use. thanks a lot!

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  Quote amottola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2013 at 7:58am
i am looking into buying everything for hot waxing my board this season, and i watched a lot of the how to hot wax videos, but i am not really sure what i still need to get? i understand i need an iron that does not have the holes in it? i also i need a nice scraper, and i need something that i can use to scrape the edge of my board! and of course the hot wax that i am going to pick! but what i don't understand is the stuff i need to clean the old wax off the bottom of my board?? some of the videos did not have people cleaning the bottom of the board first, and others used this type of acid that was not harmful to the skin? if i do need this base cleaning stuff and that is really important, can i please have the name of a good brand that i can use. thanks a lot!
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H0TtTtt waxx is the onLy waxx
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  Quote bwayne413 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/10/2013 at 8:46pm
Originally posted by Jdiggidy

Ok, here we go again.

There are no "pores" in your base. Think of them as ravines (google image snowboard base under microscope for proof).

Extruded bases have deeper "ravines" so they hold more wax. Sintered bases hold less wax, but are harder by design, hence the lack of friction. All else being equal, they will be faster and more durable because of the hardness.


I think you have that last part backwards. While there might not be "pores" in your base, a sintered base is more "porous" and allows for more wax absorption. Extruded bases are harder, hold less wax and are more durable.
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  Quote Hellolxdking Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/29/2013 at 7:16am
never tried  Rub on ........
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  Quote Jaydoc08 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/25/2013 at 10:06am
Rub on if your on the go and feeling lazy. If you want to go all out then most defiantly hot wax. I wish my shop hooked us up with free wax. It seems like theirs less and less mom n pop shops and more "Big Business" shops who don't care for the individual customer.
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  Quote JDiggidy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/25/2013 at 9:52am
Sorry for the double post, but that guy had to be set straight before I mentioned this:
 
A buddy got me a puck of One Ball Jay's soy based rub on wax for x-mas.  It has a cork built right onto the little plastc container, which is a nice touch.  The stuff really preformed well too!  My rock board was in some serious need of TLC and wax, and it actually stuck around for nearly an entire day at sub 10 degree temps! 
 
He said he got it at Zumiez for under $6 on sale.  I'm going to keep it in my go bag for those last minute touch ups between waxes and multi day long trips.
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  Quote JDiggidy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/25/2013 at 9:48am
Originally posted by nieve5552

Hot wax is definitely better because
- it seeps into the micropores in the base (in case of sintered bases)
- which means it lasts longer

Rub on wax is only for last minute boosts and for racers where every 1/10th of a second counts
- it only 'rubs on' to the surface of the base
- which means it comes off after like one run
- good for giving it a last minute boost for races etc
- but not really practical for normal everyday rides
- doesnt protect the base as well as hot wax

Sintered base eats wax real well because its got much more micropores in its ptex. Extruded doesnt so they dont absorb much wax at all.
However sintered bases perform the best when theyre waxed, so unwaxed sintered would be slower than a waxed extruded.
Get ya gear waxed at all times for a good ride!
 
Ok, here we go again. 
 
There are no "pores" in your base.  Think of them as ravines (google image snowboard base under microscope for proof). 
 
Extruded bases have deeper "ravines" so they hold more wax.  Sintered bases hold less wax, but are harder by design, hence the lack of friction.  All else being equal, they will be faster and more durable because of the hardness.
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  Quote teaker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/21/2013 at 4:55pm
Hot wax for sure... Just don't use your mom's iron to do it
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Hot wax is definitely better because
- it seeps into the micropores in the base (in case of sintered bases)
- which means it lasts longer

Rub on wax is only for last minute boosts and for racers where every 1/10th of a second counts
- it only 'rubs on' to the surface of the base
- which means it comes off after like one run
- good for giving it a last minute boost for races etc
- but not really practical for normal everyday rides
- doesnt protect the base as well as hot wax

Sintered base eats wax real well because its got much more micropores in its ptex. Extruded doesnt so they dont absorb much wax at all.
However sintered bases perform the best when theyre waxed, so unwaxed sintered would be slower than a waxed extruded.
Get ya gear waxed at all times for a good ride!
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Rub-on wax is good for between hot wax job but it not a replacement for the good ole' hot wax job.
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yeah rub on wax sucks, hot wax is the way to go
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  Quote amottola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/10/2012 at 7:10pm
If you dont have the time to wax your board and your on the go just use the rub on for the time being. Hot wax is the way to go
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I just bought my board there at the end of the season so this year I'll probably stop in there at least once a week just because its free.
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  Quote lightning80 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/20/2012 at 11:24am
Originally posted by steezemisterr

My local shop offers free waxing for life with any board purchased there. They're supposed to use the machine to do it but I have a buddy who works there that will give my board a hot hand wax.
 
i miss the days when i could just drive up to SS and get a free wax a day before i head up the slopes...
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My local shop offers free waxing for life with any board purchased there. They're supposed to use the machine to do it but I have a buddy who works there that will give my board a hot hand wax.
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Originally posted by mirchandise

I just get my board waxed by the guys with the buffer thing before I hit the mountain.
 
i figure the machine wax will last 1 day on the mountain for $5...while a hot hand wax will last 3 days for $10...the hand wax comes out to be a better deal.
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do you need wax for rails?

It will give you a tiny layer of protection but will be quickly scraped off. All in all it won't hurt to give your base a little bit of extra protection.
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do you need wax for rails?

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been snowboarding for 4 seasons and have never gotten a wax haha. Im throwing my board down rails the whole time so i figured it will just get messed up quick. 
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I just get my board waxed by the guys with the buffer thing before I hit the mountain.
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i normally use hot wax and it does the job well
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  Quote Otto Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/17/2012 at 10:39am
Hotwax takes about 45 minutes to do a good job with a tuning as well, but it last for a couple trips. Rub on wax doesn't even last one entire day, and it tends to cost more. So save money, better quality hot wax all the way.
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Originally posted by qwe740

i prefer hot wax too, but i keep on screwing up our irons... is there a way to keep my irons from getting screwed up?
are you using a regular clothing iron with holes?  that's your problem right there.  get a waxing iron.

if you are using a waxing iron, you would have to consciously do something on purpose to mess it up.
Yup, never mix your wax and clothes irons. Have one for each purpose. Could you be more specific with how you are screwing up your irons? *are you just ending up with wax on your clothes? Irons designed for waxing are great because they have specific temp settings for wax, have rounded edges for smooth application, and no holes.
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  Quote julius77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/17/2012 at 7:48am
Originally posted by CAPnCRUNCH

I hot waxed my board for the first time this season.
The pain through the whole process for me was scraping the excess wax off.
That took me forever to do.  Is there s simpler way?
You can use less wax, especially if you leave a tad of a coat from the last wax. I usually do about 1 drop of melted wax per square inch/inch and a half on the base. A bit more towards the edges and less on the outer nose n tail. However, I've waxed with much less wax and it makes scraping easier. Also, if you remove your bindings, you get fewer pools of wax from the binding insert 'suck" that results from the bolts pulling the base up slightly.
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i prefer hot wax too, but i keep on screwing up our irons... is there a way to keep my irons from getting screwed up?
are you using a regular clothing iron with holes?  that's your problem right there.  get a waxing iron.

if you are using a waxing iron, you would have to consciously do something on purpose to mess it up.
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there are no pores in base material.  just structure with grooves/etc.
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  Quote haiv143 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/29/2012 at 12:55pm
I've tried both. Rub one is easier but did not seep into the pores and does not last long. Hot wax is a pain more work but makes me go faster and last more than 3 days of riding. or maybe i did a bad job of rub-on?Big smile
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  Quote qwe740 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/18/2012 at 6:09am
i prefer hot wax too, but i keep on screwing up our irons... is there a way to keep my irons from getting screwed up?
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  Quote Weymaro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/16/2012 at 12:36pm
Hot wax goes deeper and is all around better. It's completely fine to carry rub on wax with you on the mountains nd use it if your board feels a little sticky but you should hot wax at the very least twice every season
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hot wax is much better but rub on is nice for takin to the mountain for a quick wax if your board is starting to stick to the snow
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  Quote boarder24 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/11/2012 at 7:41pm
Hot wax is always the way to go. It is much better than rub on since is doesn't just sit on top of the board, it gets in the grooves and is much better on edge burn, and to go along with PunkPhilosophy different kinds of wax matter for different conditions but my favorite wax site is: Purl they have all kinds of wax for all conditions, I personally use the purple wax most.
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does not sound that good , does it rub off ez
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  Quote PunkPhilosophy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/02/2012 at 1:34pm
I am liking most of what has been said...

I just wanted to reiterate that you do not have to buy expensive kits or irons.

I bought a $6 iron at Walmat, and made a stand out of scrap wood in my garage, threw that on top of a couple of saw horses and bam… full on waxing station… melt it on… scrape it off… simple. AND yes, the RIGHT wax matters for the right conditions… I like the ONE BALL JAY wax they offer several different options for different temperature conditions.
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  Quote CLoSeR Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/23/2012 at 11:59am
How long a hotwax lasts will vary:

1. The snow condition, powder, vs groomers vs ice
2. Wax temp/hardness, cooler temp waxes are harder
3. How many runs you do in a day

The important thing is that you can recognise when your base needs wax..
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I think it also depends on how many times you go down the mountain. I am kind of a newbie and I probably don't need to wax nearly as much as some of these guys.
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  Quote soxfan47104 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/23/2012 at 11:48am
Always use hot wax it is better and lasts longer than rub on. i usually re wax my board every 3 days of riding.
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