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    Posted: Sep/20/2012 at 11:24am
Originally posted by steezemisterr

My local shop offers free waxing for life with any board purchased there. They're supposed to use the machine to do it but I have a buddy who works there that will give my board a hot hand wax.
 
i miss the days when i could just drive up to SS and get a free wax a day before i head up the slopes...
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  Quote steezemisterr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/20/2012 at 11:30am
I just bought my board there at the end of the season so this year I'll probably stop in there at least once a week just because its free.
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  Quote amottola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/10/2012 at 7:10pm
If you dont have the time to wax your board and your on the go just use the rub on for the time being. Hot wax is the way to go
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  Quote Lyedroth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2012 at 1:32pm
yeah rub on wax sucks, hot wax is the way to go
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  Quote BunnySloper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/06/2012 at 1:38pm
Rub-on wax is good for between hot wax job but it not a replacement for the good ole' hot wax job.
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Hot wax is definitely better because
- it seeps into the micropores in the base (in case of sintered bases)
- which means it lasts longer

Rub on wax is only for last minute boosts and for racers where every 1/10th of a second counts
- it only 'rubs on' to the surface of the base
- which means it comes off after like one run
- good for giving it a last minute boost for races etc
- but not really practical for normal everyday rides
- doesnt protect the base as well as hot wax

Sintered base eats wax real well because its got much more micropores in its ptex. Extruded doesnt so they dont absorb much wax at all.
However sintered bases perform the best when theyre waxed, so unwaxed sintered would be slower than a waxed extruded.
Get ya gear waxed at all times for a good ride!
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  Quote teaker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/21/2013 at 4:55pm
Hot wax for sure... Just don't use your mom's iron to do it
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  Quote JDiggidy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/25/2013 at 9:48am
Originally posted by nieve5552

Hot wax is definitely better because
- it seeps into the micropores in the base (in case of sintered bases)
- which means it lasts longer

Rub on wax is only for last minute boosts and for racers where every 1/10th of a second counts
- it only 'rubs on' to the surface of the base
- which means it comes off after like one run
- good for giving it a last minute boost for races etc
- but not really practical for normal everyday rides
- doesnt protect the base as well as hot wax

Sintered base eats wax real well because its got much more micropores in its ptex. Extruded doesnt so they dont absorb much wax at all.
However sintered bases perform the best when theyre waxed, so unwaxed sintered would be slower than a waxed extruded.
Get ya gear waxed at all times for a good ride!
 
Ok, here we go again. 
 
There are no "pores" in your base.  Think of them as ravines (google image snowboard base under microscope for proof). 
 
Extruded bases have deeper "ravines" so they hold more wax.  Sintered bases hold less wax, but are harder by design, hence the lack of friction.  All else being equal, they will be faster and more durable because of the hardness.
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  Quote JDiggidy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/25/2013 at 9:52am
Sorry for the double post, but that guy had to be set straight before I mentioned this:
 
A buddy got me a puck of One Ball Jay's soy based rub on wax for x-mas.  It has a cork built right onto the little plastc container, which is a nice touch.  The stuff really preformed well too!  My rock board was in some serious need of TLC and wax, and it actually stuck around for nearly an entire day at sub 10 degree temps! 
 
He said he got it at Zumiez for under $6 on sale.  I'm going to keep it in my go bag for those last minute touch ups between waxes and multi day long trips.
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  Quote Jaydoc08 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/25/2013 at 10:06am
Rub on if your on the go and feeling lazy. If you want to go all out then most defiantly hot wax. I wish my shop hooked us up with free wax. It seems like theirs less and less mom n pop shops and more "Big Business" shops who don't care for the individual customer.
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never tried  Rub on ........
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  Quote bwayne413 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/10/2013 at 8:46pm
Originally posted by Jdiggidy

Ok, here we go again.

There are no "pores" in your base. Think of them as ravines (google image snowboard base under microscope for proof).

Extruded bases have deeper "ravines" so they hold more wax. Sintered bases hold less wax, but are harder by design, hence the lack of friction. All else being equal, they will be faster and more durable because of the hardness.


I think you have that last part backwards. While there might not be "pores" in your base, a sintered base is more "porous" and allows for more wax absorption. Extruded bases are harder, hold less wax and are more durable.
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H0TtTtt waxx is the onLy waxx
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  Quote amottola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2013 at 7:58am
i am looking into buying everything for hot waxing my board this season, and i watched a lot of the how to hot wax videos, but i am not really sure what i still need to get? i understand i need an iron that does not have the holes in it? i also i need a nice scraper, and i need something that i can use to scrape the edge of my board! and of course the hot wax that i am going to pick! but what i don't understand is the stuff i need to clean the old wax off the bottom of my board?? some of the videos did not have people cleaning the bottom of the board first, and others used this type of acid that was not harmful to the skin? if i do need this base cleaning stuff and that is really important, can i please have the name of a good brand that i can use. thanks a lot!
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  Quote Angry Midget Yo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2013 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by amottola

i am looking into buying everything for hot waxing my board this season, and i watched a lot of the how to hot wax videos, but i am not really sure what i still need to get? i understand i need an iron that does not have the holes in it? i also i need a nice scraper, and i need something that i can use to scrape the edge of my board! and of course the hot wax that i am going to pick! but what i don't understand is the stuff i need to clean the old wax off the bottom of my board?? some of the videos did not have people cleaning the bottom of the board first, and others used this type of acid that was not harmful to the skin? if i do need this base cleaning stuff and that is really important, can i please have the name of a good brand that i can use. thanks a lot!

Glad you're finally posting in the correct thread for your issue but how about you try reading?  There are over 200 posts in this thread and all of your answers have already been answered so try reading the previous posts.    
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  Quote spenser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2013 at 2:11pm
Originally posted by bwayne413

Originally posted by Jdiggidy

Ok, here we go again.

There are no "pores" in your base. Think of them as ravines (google image snowboard base under microscope for proof).

Extruded bases have deeper "ravines" so they hold more wax. Sintered bases hold less wax, but are harder by design, hence the lack of friction. All else being equal, they will be faster and more durable because of the hardness.


I think you have that last part backwards. While there might not be "pores" in your base, a sintered base is more "porous" and allows for more wax absorption. Extruded bases are harder, hold less wax and are more durable.


you're both partly right and party incorrect.  sintered base material is more dense/hard than extruded, so it's more durable in the sense that it won't scratch as easily and will stand up to impact better, but while extruded doesn't hold up to impact as well, it's easier to work on because the material is more pliable and easy to fill in with ptex.

sintered bases have deeper "ravines," albeit pretty microscopic.  extruded bases hold less wax because their ravines are much smaller, because of the way they're made.. but part of the design of an extruded base is that you don't really need much wax for it to work, whereas if you've ever ridden a sintered base that was dry, you know how ungodly slow they are.

sintered bases are made of ground up pellets of the material which are pressed into shape with heat (without liquefying the material), which leaves a lot of the structure.. the finishing process done by the factory is what leaves the final structure, though.  extruded bases are made differently, in that the melted ptex is extruded (like spaghetti) out of a hole in a smooth sheet, not leaving much natural structure.  part of the reason they work well with very little or no wax is because they don't have the same structure, so it doesn't suck onto the snow like a sintered base.

sintered and extruded are both normal non-snowboard words, so if you ever forget, just look up the definitions and you can remember how each one is made.
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  Quote jihyungchun Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2013 at 9:06pm
or if you're really confused about waxing... maybe u can drop it off at a shop?
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Hott wax all day everyday
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Mixture of both is where I go.

I do a hot wax once every couple sessions. I usually do all-season wax for this.

Then everyday of riding I use a fluoro rub-on wax. This I can go temperature specific.
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Here is how I do my waxing, and I do it everytime since it is so easy and fast, also it does not use alot of wax!!!

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^that's really not the best way to wax your board.  those heat guns can get way too hot and damage your base.  You don't get the same kind of coverage and can't get the proper amount of wax on your board. There is a reason why the ski and board techs at shops and resorts use irons.  If using a heat gun and crayoning on wax was a better method they would do that.
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Yes, a heat gun gets hot fast and an iron gets hot also. Both methods require that you do not stay in one spot for too long.

The heat gun is less forgiving but as to date I have never had a problem since I am extra attentive when I move the heat gun over my board. Keep a safe distance and move it reasonably fast.

Anyways, this method is for people like me who want to have lazy, fast and effective fresh wax every single time they go out. It takes me about 4 minutes to do this.

I started doing this since I only mostly do rails and I don't want to get an iron out and use a ton of wax every single time.

If you choose the right temp, my heat gun waxing job performs better then my friends 4 day old board that was factory waxed.
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lol, even rub on wax better than factory waxed especially its been used for 4 days.
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  Quote belleayre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/12/2014 at 5:10pm
Originally posted by Nickaledoe

Yes, a heat gun gets hot fast and an iron gets hot also. Both methods require that you do not stay in one spot for too long.

The heat gun is less forgiving but as to date I have never had a problem since I am extra attentive when I move the heat gun over my board. Keep a safe distance and move it reasonably fast.

Anyways, this method is for people like me who want to have lazy, fast and effective fresh wax every single time they go out. It takes me about 4 minutes to do this.

I started doing this since I only mostly do rails and I don't want to get an iron out and use a ton of wax every single time.

If you choose the right temp, my heat gun waxing job performs better then my friends 4 day old board that was factory waxed.

A typical heat gun ranges from 570 to 1000 degrees. An iron is more like 140. You can also do a fast job with an iron.
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Hot wax. I like to mix and blend waxes for best results. I blend some never summer wax from a local shop with swix racing wax. I don't know that it actually makes a difference, but I fell like it does
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it can admiral, depends on the waxes you use for specific conditions I really like a blend of HF toko with the graphite OBJ works great you just adjust the toko temps for snow conditions. 
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