2012 Presidential Election

Originally posted by tcontradiction Would that be ridiculous??? Think about what you are saying. They check patient records all the time to make sure your not getting medicines that you shouldn't get, that the blood type is right. And this is why are making medical records digital (one of many reason). Person comes in, you get a quick fingerprint scan and you have all their records including INSURANCE. This is why its a mess now, because of all the people who act like they are someone else gaming the system, hurting the rest of us who pay for our insurance, and our taxes. Im a liberal, but im not in favor of paying for other people. Just assisting those who want to be contributing members of society.

That makes you the most reasonable liberal in the United States. 

Daniel toshld be great as prez too, he's hilarious

www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8znGfDCAGA

Next up south Carolina. I don't think Mitt has a chance.

Ron Paul 24 years ago
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57818-Ron-Paul-Interview-1988

Ron Paul '09 "What If" speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s_IUwwGq-A

Please provide specifics (preferably a link).

^NPR blog link is off D:

^ that's the kind of crap that makes it possible and we need none of it, much like the same crap people on their "high horse" (lol narrow-minded simplifications) about the OWS situations

well, just the federal government, it would be up to the states to "self-regulate" so states would have quite a bit cut out for them...possibly raise their taxes to maybe 30% too, which would offset our 0% tax to the federal government.

Honestly, I don't see a single candidate that is going to come close to beating Obama. Unless Obama murders someone a day before the election, i wouldnt hold my breath if i were you...

Let's examine a few of these talking points against Ron Paul:

Ron Paul's stance on abortion
www.youtube.com/watch?v=66jpPCIzza8

Ron Paul on Health care
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/health-care/

Ron Paul on the Civil Rights Act:

“The forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty… The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society.

All of these stated gripes with Ron Paul are taken out of context .. and even if true are small potatoes when compared to the Big Picture and the most critical and immediate pressing issue of individual liberty. RP is against an out-of-control Big Government, and the way it runs every aspect of our lives.

Quite obviously, Big Government is OK by some of you .. but I believe that's because you don't have a clue what these tiny steps in growth of a central government have led to. For instance: How many of you understand that the crocodile tears from our government about being broke and having to cut your services and raise your taxes are a complete fraud? The government is hiding two-thirds of its income from us. That's right, it takes in 3X what it's telling you. Government presents a very limited set of books to us, while the true set is the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (google CAFR) .. and even this set has been abbreviated in recent years to reflect only Net growth, rather than overall government corporate holdings.

"Very eye opening and interesting doc on the exposing the true corporate nature of our government and the real assets and revenues that they take in. Exposes the differences between the commonly disclosed budget and the deficit (strictly from tax revenue) and the CAFR (comprehensive annual finance report) which would/should list real revenue of the United States Corporations (185,000 of them)"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkfMuvVuETQ

I'm not going to hand it to you in cliff note version. Copy, paste, and listen for yourselves .. and then do your own poking around, and you'll be amazed at what you can learn. For instance: How many of you realize that BP Oil (you know .. the folks that have permanently polluted our gulf seafood supply) is 60% owned by the U.S. Federal Government? You never would have known that from the evening news. The whole made for TV hearings, angry accusations, 20Billion clean-up fund, etc was a complete charade. (Use the internet while you've got it, because it WON'T be around for that much longer, REGARDLESS of what SOPA victory you think has been won.)

So when Ron Paul talks about zero income tax, he's just scratching the surface of what's possible.

Zero income tax?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhlUjVSSn7g

Regarding Ron Paul's visionary abilities:
Ron Paul 2002
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tLX_6rgvbEU#!

.. and which of the other candidates has the balls to take on what most of your senators voted for, and your prez signed into law? Ron Paul today NDAA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj-D_Eu2UAc&feature=player_embedded#!

What concerns me most is that Ron Paul may just be a relief valve for those smart enough to see he's the only hope we have AMONG THE CHOICES PRESENTED TO US .. while the vote has already been SUBVERTED by computer fraud that even a pre-teen could discern:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esAGWYjbWoM

Still .. I have to have some hope. The fact that the major news services are so blatantly ignoring RP's existence tells me something. The MSM polls are completely bogus. When individual groups (like veterans .. the guys who've actually had to fight our BS wars) are polled, the overwhelming favorite is Ron Paul.

So rather than bashing or over simplified opinion, how about telling us who you're for and precisely why .. and perhaps even provide links to support your claims/concerns.

You believe in Ron Paul's "ideology" yet you don't believe in science smh.

i really have this deep eerie feeling that obama is going to win.... hmmmm

as long as obama doesnt get re-elected im ok with his replacement obama made a change alright we went from super power questionable

Originally posted by nots0kind as long as obama doesnt get re-elected im ok with his replacement obama made a change alright we went from super power questionable

Grammar as poor as yours is really unconvincing.  The United States is still the world's only super power; super hero I'd even say.  I'm no fan of Obama, but to put the blame on him for our economic woes is to be terrifically ignorant.  It's like you've been unaware of decades of corruption or the unfair and uneven trade policies that have allowed the People's Republic of China to thrive.

...does anyone know why roemer hasn't been to the "fox news" debates? D:

i was too absorbed with the niners lately...i was pretty surprised to hear newt actually won something...

I will give credit to the President, he is a great public speaker. However it still remains to see if he can get things done. Part of that will require the republicans and the democrats working together.

Ron Paul is actually the most logical republican I've ever heard speak.  That includes normal people.  I think if I'm going to throw my vote away, I might as well throw it at him. 

Originally posted by HAVEN2135 I will give credit to the President, he is a great public speaker. However it still remains to see if he can get things done. Part of that will require the republicans and the democrats working together.

Wow newt got smacked the hell up last night. I love his idea to create manufacturing on the moon. Lol! I can't believe people take this clown seiously.

Originally posted by seacow234 Originally posted by iauwda Wow newt got smacked the hell up last night. I love his idea to create manufacturing on the moon. Lol! I can't believe people take this clown seiously. but why did they cheer!? that was BSSS...and dumb as f*** nasa doesn't even WANT to go to the moon!

Originally posted by broys Originally posted by iauwda Wow newt got smacked the hell up last night. I love his idea to create manufacturing on the moon. Lol! I can't believe people take this clown seiously. If Newt somehow gets the Republican nomination I'm going to facepalm so hard I might need plastic surgery. I can't believe he's even made it this far in the race.

i can't believe a potato made it this far too...hell, i think romney deserves it more than he does

sadly, the GOP base doesn't like him because...
he's a mormon D:...which is kinda dumb...as dumb as dehumanizing athiest but that's another story

@seacow totally agree with you about the NDAA. Chalk that one up as another disappointment in Obama. Obama just reaffirmed the power. He was actually going to veto the bill not because of what was in it, but because He was afraid it took power away from the executive branch. I stress again, no matter what the issues are, we need to get money out of politics in order to have a true representative democracy. There are some grass roots movement on a constitutional admendment for this. Keep an eye out for that.