2012 Presidential Election

has anyone kept up with the RNC? because the entire week felt like they were just bashing obama and never really talked about what they were going to do/how they planned on implement it...the entire campaign just feels...so...vile...

i don't know how anyone can vote for the republican candidates...i understand how someone can NOT vote for obama...but...mitt?

I don't know how any of us vote for either choice.  We're always offered someone that doesn't understand/care about us- the average people.  People blow Mitt because he's a self made man.  As if he started with nothing.  He was the son of a governor and went to an exclusive private school (it doesn't matter your money, you have to be invited to attend it).  I'd say those two things aren't a common starting point for most people.  People like him only understand how to take advantage of the disinfranchised and less fortunate.  But, since this country is run on the old "He who has the gold..." theroy we'll never get a common peasant in charge.  No, I dont' know a thing about business, but I do know that screwing the people that make up your "kingdom" and starting wars you don't have money for aren't a smart business model (that was 43's fault, not Mitten or Obam-uh).

Originally posted by bhswrestler150 It comes down to 2 choices for me. Do you want the opportunity to work your ass off and make the life you want for yourself, or do u want to coastal along and stick your hand out wait g for a check from the government......

Twolf

If you were to introduce a 3rd party what would it stand for?

@bhwrestler:

wait what?...is this one of those dumb history questions that you do at the end of the textbook?
or do you mean which 3rd party is worth voting for? honestly, green party is worth it because the guy who USUALLY wins the nom (nader), isn't actually corrupt/he's consistent AND...he doesn't subscribe to the same politics that everyone plays *cough*boehner/christie/etc.

SPEAKING OF CHRISTIE...who will probably run in 2016, that man is a fat douche for putting down california voters the way he did in the RNC. he basically called us dumb for voting for brown over that other candidate who's rich and is now CEO of HP (i don't remember her name and i don't care)...the fact that he's THAT disrespectful to voters and "fellow americans" (maybe not his fellows...) kinda tells me he shouldn't hold an office in the first place.

Originally posted by namsapalooza Originally posted by twolf123 has anyone kept up with the RNC? because the entire week felt like they were just bashing obama and never really talked about what they were going to do/how they planned on implement it...the entire campaign just feels...so...vile... i don't know how anyone can vote for the republican candidates...i understand how someone can NOT vote for obama...but...mitt? This is why: Mitt Romney - A Human Building Who Built That

this is exactly why i avoid most political conversations. The idea that 'anybody who disagrees with me, is whats wrong with america'. the consistent name calling. anytime i see someone from either side, start parroting on with cute buzzwords like obamacare, dummycrats, repubtards.. I instantly know they're not interested in an intelligent conversation.. they only want to bludgeon you with their perspective. They hit up peoplewhoagreewithmywayofthinking.com, throw some random quotes at you, and should you disagree.. well then you're a moron. 

CORRECTING FOR NAMSAPALOOZA, he means 22.1 cents for *HEALTH*, not military.

on another note, im QUITE surprised to see education higher than a lot of the other departments...very surprised...
on another note, it's too bad cutting military spending is such a farking taboo...it's the only thing we could EASILY cut back on but NOPE...

regardless of who becomes or stays president, damn i hope we don't get into another war...

@nickin: wikipedia is A WONDERFUL PLACE...just use the citations on the bottom! seriously!
and, honestly, i think dailyshow works wonders...so long it's treated as an opinion. it makes fun of what's happening in the world and doesn't LIE about it like some outlets (fox news)

did anyone else want to vomit last night watching the the democrat rally. Im gonna be sick all day even thinking about it

@scuddera:
STOP IT, STOP MAKING IT BAD, WE WERE CIVIL A FEW POSTS BACK!!!...YOU MAKE WOMEN AND CHILDREN CRY. AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD.

SPEAKING OF WHICH...michelle obama made ann romney's speech look amateurish :3...however, in ann's defense, chris christie basically destroyed her speech...
also, in your defense i guess, dems don't seem very ballsy...and fox news isn't attacking this as hard as it could...

People please reread giftedhands reply.

I've quoted it for those who, like me, dont read entire threads and for added emphasis:

Originally posted by giftedhands this is exactly why i avoid most political conversations. The idea that 'anybody who disagrees with me, is whats wrong with america'. the consistent name calling. anytime i see someone from either side, start parroting on with cute buzzwords like obamacare, dummycrats, repubtards.. I instantly know they're not interested in an intelligent conversation.. they only want to bludgeon you with their perspective. They hit up peoplewhoagreewithmywayofthinking.com, throw some random quotes at you, and should you disagree.. well then you're a moron. beyond the political rhetoric, this country is far more complex than politics care to realize. Many republican women get abortions. Many democrats love their church. And there's a ton of shared ideas, that neither party will admit, depending on the political conversation for the day. I think the fact that things like abortion can be used as a political tool, is just ridiculous. The way some people talk about it.. as if having an abortion is such an easy decision.. blows my mind. Might be the current 24 hour news cycle, but it weirds me out how people can focus on the most individual of things. I think we all owe it ourselves to go to the CBO and check out exactly where your tax dollars go. For every buck you spend in taxes, how many pennies do you think goes to welfare? fixing roads? defense? You might be surprised where your tax dollars are going. I love sociology, so consequently politics are very interesting to me.. but moreso in a people watching sense. the 12 pages so far of this thread have been as hilarious as they have been telling.

I agree with the heart of what he says. But my 2 cents: Politics, as is life and all that goes into a country/culture/society, is incredibly complex. Politicians (as well as police officers, doctors lawyers, teachers, priests etc) all come from the same society/culture that we, in America, come from. Oversimplified, to expect that these people we have voted in to be unlike some of the people, if not most or all, within our culture (or any culture/society) speaks of our ability as humans to easily overlook our, uh, human-ness.

Some of the best ways to keep opposing ideas from being received is to attack the character, credibility and intelligence of the source. You tend to see that from all sides.

Originally posted by jon98gn isidewith "dot" com is pretty interesting if you want to see which candidate you may side with based upon principles alone. I edged out with the Green Party at 89% over Obama at 86%. I think that's mainly because I put tax and regulate marijuana which is still sort of a mixed bag for me. In some ways I feel like it's the law, why are people using it, but then I see the point of view as, people are going to use it anyway might as well regulate it. It also reminds me how ridiculously idiots people are with cigarettes, so by preference I wouldn't want people smoking in public, but once it is legalized, it may come down to disrespectful people just blowing smoke into the public air until I want it banned again.

Meh I don't think the website helps all that much. My main gripe is that it asks you about specific pieces of legislation, which you've already made your mind up about rather than asking very general questions to determine what your stance on various pieces of legislation should be.

There are plenty of people manipulating the welfare system in this country. On the other hand there are also quite a few people who are getting back on their feet.
I wish everyone would just vote third party to show how sick of a bipartisan government we are.

^for an article that long a link will suffice next time.

First I agree with the gist of Nam's beef with the way questions are worded. Questions should be worded neutrally. But you see biased phrasing/wording from both sides. You would hope people would be intelligent enough to read through that. But, alas, this is america. But really it's a human nature issue. But the funny thing is the question Nam poses is biased too because of it's narrow focus. Though I know it is hard to create pol questions that match the short-attention span of us humans.

Which leads to what i find funny. Dont you think the very name of the act is a little slanted? But that's the beauty of politics/politicians. You cant defend yourself in this day of 2 second, out of context sound bites. Where a reporter asks you why you are against the "Feeding Babies, Homeless and Cute Puppies Act". When the very reason you are against it is all the pork in it. Politicians hide pork in pages of mindless verbiage all the time.

Which leads me to the next point. Does Ryan hide something in budget? Its kind of hard to hide something when its printed and you know people will scrutinize it. What politician doesn't do this kind of stuff? It has been done for ages and people point it out like its a shocking revelation that damages the other party. Bhahaha. His budget is exactly what the left have been hoping for.

I also find it interesting how up in arms people get when we discuss cuts. Have you seen the national debt? Have you been paying attention to economics on a international scale? Look at CA statistically - what we pay in taxes, how much government has expanded, what teachers are paid, what we rank in education performance etc etc. Do your own research regardless of what side you are on!!! I think you will find some pretty interesting things you didn't know about both parties. Politicians are, well, politicians. Right or left. To give them some altruistic quality is pretty naive.

And another thing on cuts. Military should be a top spend. We can get all kumbaya (which in itself is an interesting reference) but we dont live in a world where, in the words the recently departed social figure, Rodney King, "...we all just get along." History reveals this. Couple that with our decline as country and "Houston, we have a problem."

It's funny that to go from the way a question is worded to posting an "op-ed" piece from both an arguably liberal author and paper hides very little.

What the hell happen to cloning? I'm sure we have some FDR, TJ and other DNA floating around we can Frankenstein in time for the 2048 election.

Put a fork in me. I'm done with this thread. Insert applause here.

More votes for Obama !!!!! YAY !!!

Originally posted by snowj720 I am not too happy with either choice personally.  Obama has lied, keeping up the same bs bush policies.  The Mittster is an ultra out of touch ass munch (I'm not a fan of leverage buyouts) who claims to be self made, but come on, how many of us are governors kids that went to elite private schools growing up?  Not too many people start so "disadvantaged".  I really liked alot about Ron Paul, aside from his anti-gay stance.  No one will ever take a canidate like him serious though as he wants to actually change things and not just blow smoke up everyones ace.

Originally posted by chillwill More votes for Obama !!!!! YAY !!!     LMAO!

Never have I ever heard so many words exchanged with nothing being said.....
It was like a contest of who had the most smug smile on their face. 

I can't wait till the VP debate on the 11th.

I was stuck on the 25 freeway traffic in Denver and came home to catch the end of the debate. Should of paid more attention in econ and healthcare classes.

I don't know if I should vote this year because I dont know enough about the candidates and what they represent.

Originally posted by HAVEN2135 It looked like Obama had something else on his mind, he didn't even seem into the debate. Also that was the best Romney has looked. I bet Biden surprises people and does better than expected.

Originally posted by mj2delmenico How many people join in the debate, hold so many opinions.....and then don't even bother to vote.

Originally posted by twolf123 Originally posted by snowj720 I am not too happy with either choice personally.  Obama has lied, keeping up the same bs bush policies.  The Mittster is an ultra out of touch ass munch (I'm not a fan of leverage buyouts) who claims to be self made, but come on, how many of us are governors kids that went to elite private schools growing up?  Not too many people start so "disadvantaged".  I really liked alot about Ron Paul, aside from his anti-gay stance.  No one will ever take a canidate like him serious though as he wants to actually change things and not just blow smoke up everyones ace. despite ron pauls "anti homosexual stance" he has proven time and again that his beliefs have no place in politics... on that note, you also have to acknowledge that he's not going to do ANYTHING...in fact, he'll pretty much destroy the entire establishment including the cia, fbi, federal reserve (though i feel this is okay...?), department of w/e, and nasa (NOT OKAY)...BUT...we know what we're getting into if we vote for him unlike with anyone else HOWEVER, he won't stop states from doing w/e they want soooooo...it'll be up to our governors to tax us at 50% to make up for it all ;D eg. mitt romney is not for "redistribution of wealth" BUT he said that people with lower incomes will receive more benefits than people with higher incomes...(basically the "redistribution" he was talking about) eg. or with obama, who promised the closing of guantanamo

His beliefs have no place in politricks because it's all a game/business.  No he wouldn't get anything done because the system is set up to butt heads and accomplish nothing.  If he had his way though there'd be a lot of b.s. shut down and politians would be there to serve the people and not themselves and rich buddies. 

Originally posted by Skio25 Anyone else sick of logging into facebook just to see a billion status updates about politics? At least here we have it consolidated to one big argument thread.

Too true.  It especially makes me mad when Facebook tries to tell me I should like someone's page.  "Hey man, this guy is a farking as-nole... you should like his page!"  No facebook, in fact I quite dislike that individule, and all of his friends as well.  So quit it!