2012 Presidential Election

Originally posted by richardvoyageur Can someone explain to me why both rich white people and the poorest white people seem to be republicans?

Originally posted by Angry Midget Yo This election was black vs white so next election we might see dick vs tits?

Wishful thinking hahaha.  I'd say it was more white vs. everyone else and pretty soon there's gonna be a lot more "everything else" than whites.

So glad this election is over. No more listening to the high school "political experts"

Originally posted by jhoang6 Now oBama's got another 4 yrs see what he'll be able to do for our fragile economy. Lassie Fair??

Don't count on it.

Many believe it didn't really matter who won the election, what will happen to the economy is inevitable.  A scary thought for sure.  There are other powers which dictate where the money is going.  I do feel, however, that Obama can at least resist those powers better than Romney could have.

Originally posted by Superorb Originally posted by fj5 I do feel, however, that Obama can at least resist those powers better than Romney could have. History would disagree with you. He added 4 TRILLION dollars to the national debt in only 4 years and wasted billions of taxpayer dollars. I couldn't spend that much money in an entire lifetime.

Originally posted by Superorb Originally posted by richardvoyageur What would McCain have done?  You don't think that Bush setup the country for failure for ANY successor?  It's all fine and dandy to say what Obama didn't do, but don't pretend like anyone could have done differently. Yes yes, it's ALL Bush's fault. Four years later with the country circling the drain and it's still Bush's fault. How long will you cling to this excuse? I'm certain someone could have done things differently.

The problem is most decisions are not made by someone, but by congress, who currently couldn't agree between a cheese or pepperoni pizza if their jobs depended on it.

Originally posted by richardvoyageur   This is what I meant by my last comment, that the system itself does not lend well to actually changing anything.  I'm not sure why the opposition thinks they can always do better with a system like that.  As a Canadian I'm invested as well because the US going into another recession is going to affect us as well (and my stocks). This fiscal cliff thing will be pretty interesting to watch.

^^^ FWIW, I was/am also offended that the GOP was basically rooting for the economy to tank, intentionally submarining the country so they could run commercials saying "are you better off ...."  how is that OK?

^^^ I know we're a nation of individuals and everyone has to do what they have to do to succeed, but I also get offended if people play the don't pass line when I'm rolling in craps . . . just sayin.

Originally posted by | | | bryman | | | ^^^ I know we're a nation of individuals and everyone has to do what they have to do to succeed, but I also get offended if people play the don't pass line when I'm rolling in craps . . . just sayin. -b

What?

Originally posted by | | | bryman | | | ^^^ I know we're a nation of individuals and everyone has to do what they have to do to succeed, but I also get offended if people play the don't pass line when I'm rolling in craps . . . just sayin.     -b

looks like wall street doesn't like o'bama.  Some people are driven to succeed & determined to support themselves & their families.  Others are content to collect a check & let the govt let them lay on the couch. Those schlumps are having litters who are content to do the same thing.  Bigger problems are on the way

Originally posted by CoMtnRider  The saddest part is congress doesn't realize without compromise, NOBODY wins!  Rich/poor, Black/White, Democrat/Republican, it won't matter because when the entire country goes down the drain, we're all going with it!

All of this is the reason robots are going to kill us all in the future. Bad people are doing bad things and no one helps each other out anymore.

Originally posted by CoMtnRider Originally posted by Superorb Originally posted by | | | bryman | | | ^^^ it's basically people betting on you to lose   -b Gotcha. I never was a fan of Craps. I'm more of a Hold Em guy. Craps is great if you get a hot table.  It definitely sucks playing next to someone who is playing against the rest of the table, but in my experience karma always seems to come back to bite them in the @ss and they lose their stack.

I dont get how you say only rich or poor people are republicans there are plenty of middle class citizens that are. Myself being one. Also yes i am an educated white male.

Originally posted by CoMtnRider Originally posted by richardvoyageur   This is what I meant by my last comment, that the system itself does not lend well to actually changing anything.  I'm not sure why the opposition thinks they can always do better with a system like that.  As a Canadian I'm invested as well because the US going into another recession is going to affect us as well (and my stocks). This fiscal cliff thing will be pretty interesting to watch.   The saddest part is congress doesn't realize without compromise, NOBODY wins!  Rich/poor, Black/White, Democrat/Republican, it won't matter because when the entire country goes down the drain, we're all going with it!

Originally posted by | | | bryman | | | ^^^ FWIW, I was/am also offended that the GOP was basically rooting for the economy to tank, intentionally submarining the country so they could run commercials saying "are you better off ...."  how is that OK?   -b

Rooting for the ecnomoy to tank? Really? How so?? i would really like to know why you think this.

Originally posted by richardvoyageur Originally posted by mmang85 Originally posted by | | | bryman | | | ^^^ FWIW, I was/am also offended that the GOP was basically rooting for the economy to tank, intentionally submarining the country so they could run commercials saying "are you better off ...."  how is that OK?   -b Rooting for the ecnomoy to tank? Really? How so?? i would really like to know why you think this. Opposition parties never like working with the party in power.  When the party in power gets anything constructive done, the opposition looks weak.  So I think what he's saying is that the republicans were trying to basically block anything from getting done, and were successful in that.   In 2010, minority leader of the senate Mitch McConnell said the following, "the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."  Asked whether this meant "endless, or at least frequent, confrontation with the president," McConnell clarified that "if [Obama is] willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it’s not inappropriate for us to do business with him." Does that sound like a party that wants to work to the betterment of the country?  I think that quote really had people disillusioned.

Probably b/c Republicans didn't want to raise the debt ceiling. The higher our debt goes the closer we get to total economic collapse.

Originally posted by giftedhands Total economic collapse..

Well, what happens when you max out all your credit cards and default on paying them?

Originally posted by giftedhands Haha I see you chose not quote the last part of what I said.  It's not the same as credit cards. US economy is not going to default based on that alone. But the point I was making was in reference to above, that the GOP has time and time again put politics above practice. Not raising the debt ceiling based on principle, for the GOP, is clearly dependent on who wants to raise it. There was no problem raising the debt ceiling seven separate times under the previous president. But if Obama wants to, all of a sudden the sky is falling and we're nearing total economic collapse? C'mon.

I think raising the debt ceiling is stupid no matter who raises it or why. And it's stupid for the Repubs or Dems to do something based solely on principle.

Originally posted by giftedhands Completely agree that 'principle' is a terrible reason to do, or not do something, in regards to politics. I can agree with you mostly that raising the debt ceiling is a bad idea, and I say mostly, because i'm also pretty certain that are reasons I couldn't comprehend for why a president would want/need to raise it. I imagine not raising the debt ceiling would ultimately result in higher taxes on the people, which would demand instant justification for what that money's going towards, and then the whole process repeats itself.

I don't think raising the debt ceiling is necessarily a bad thing. It's been happening since forever. Governments don't pay off debt the way a family does. It's much more complicated than that and they can print money. The key is, debt is manageable when there is economic growth. Since the economy isn't doing too hot this is a bit of a pickle. And I suppose the major issue here is really how to get the economy working well again: I think it's by spending government money in areas where the private sector can be strengthened a lot, i.e., infrastructure, education, not by cutting spending across the board.

Since we borrow most of our money from China, wouldn't we be screwed if we in fact labeled them a currency manipulator? Bite the hand that feeds.