2012 Presidential Election

It's so ironic that Ron Paul is the oldest one in the race but yet has the youngest supporters.

yup it don't matter who wins, the president doesn't make decisions anyway, he's just there to make people think they have power

Does Ron Paul have a chance i know im going to vote for him. But i feel like everyone thats even voteing doesnt even have any idea who they are voteing for. i wish people actually did their research and honestly pay attention to the people who are running this country if they did Ron Paul would run away with this election.

Pretty funny looking at who the "notable" candidates were when this thread started.

Molliecap makes a good point, and I think the problem is that more people don't pay critical attention than do.

I think Ron Paul needs to go nuts in the next three to be seen as a viable candidate to pick up some delegates on Super Tuesday.  He gave a great speech after the Florida primary. More people need to hear him when he is at his best, not when the debate moderators are treating him like a spectator who has no chance.

I hope he gets some momentum and runs as a 3rd party candidate if he doesn't win the Repub nomination.  The people who support him cannot be represented by either of the other candidates, which would make him a good 3rd party candidate.  However, unfortunately, he'll still be treated like he has no chance and won't pick up any more than 6-9% as a 3rd party candidate. 

It is pretty amazing how, from all the variances of political thought there is in this country (from what should be legal, to what rights people should have, to economic perspectives), that we pretend that there are only two sides, which starts with issues, but then just turns into us vs. them.

Sorry but Ron Paul isn't going to run as a third party candidate. He's not going to screw the GOP because his son wants a future in the party.

^ too bad the dude's consistently 3rd :3

^ at least people are wising up about it! :3

Imagine you work for a company that wasn't growing or turning a profit 4 years ago so a new boss was hired to fix the problems the previous boss created. 4 years later the company still isn't growing and it still isn't profiting. Workers pay has either stayed the same or has even dropped for some. Some workers have even lost their jobs with this company.

Would the new boss still have a job after 4 years? Would he be given 4 more years to fix the problems he inherited? Shouldn't things get at least a little better in 4 years instead of worse for most? Would you still support this boss after 4 years?

I'm not necessarily against replacing Obama, but Romney is king douche. 

So why is Romney King Douche? Because the liberal media feeds you this crap on a daily basis and the Obama campaign just feeds lie after lie about him? I'm guessing most people that talk shit about Romney really only know the lies that are told about him.

I don't think he's a douche but he's Morman and doesn't think a woman should be able to have the "right to choose".  Those are my problems with him. 

Originally posted by 360faceplant I don't think he's a douche but he's Morman and doesn't think a woman should be able to have the "right to choose".  Those are my problems with him.

Originally posted by CoMtnRider Originally posted by NickinChicago Originally posted by 360faceplant I don't think he's a douche but he's Morman and doesn't think a woman should be able to have the "right to choose".  Those are my problems with him.  So you are discriminating against him because of his religion? Also I always find it funny when people bring up the right to choose. It is okay for women to choose not to raise their child but if a guy decides he wants nothing to do with it after the kid is born he is still responsible. It is okay for the government to force someone to pay child support for a kid they don't want but not okay for them to say you can't abort it. I guess I just don't get it.  Don't have unprotected sex if you can't deal with the consequences.  Wow you are pro deadbeat dad, awesome!   I totally agree the Child Support system needs an overhaul, but saying a dude that knocks a chick up should have the ability to bail on the situation with no consequences is ridiculous dude.

Originally posted by CoMtnRider Romney:   Marijuana Marijuana is a gateway drug and should be illegal.  Ok Gramma, I know you have no appetitie and your stomach hurts all the time from your chemo therapy, but you can't have the medicine that gives you an appetite and helps your pain because it's evil.   Only a fool thinks Pot is any more of a "gateway drug" than alcohol.  I saw many people drop of out college because they drank their days away.  Not a single one of my friends that were recreational pot users dropped out, and one is a actually a doctor now.   Abortion Thinks it should be illegal, although has backed up and said in case of rape it is ok.  Not to mention the fact that he flip flopped on the issue entirely  I know this is a polarizing issue, but I would rather a woman get an abortion than have a child she doesn't want, that would not get the love it should, possibly have to be supported with my taxes.  It should be a choice, but obviously there should be a limit as to the length of time a woman can go before having an abortion.   Income Taxes If he didn't have anything to hide, he would have released his taxes.  He doesn't want the public to see all the ways he worked the system to make his tax return lower.  Man up and be honest about it.  If it's legal, what can anyone say right?   These are just a few examples of the reason I dislike this guy.  Government should be there to support it's citizens, not control them.  I just feel this dude is more of a fraud than any other candidate.   The biggest problem with elections is they have totally gone away from actually discussing the issues, and all they do is talk trash and lies so the majority of the public doesn't really know what the candidates even stand for, and just vote for the political party they most connect with.    This country is in dire straights, and I don't feel either of these guys are going to do a damn thing to help fix it.  Obama clearly thinks his plan is working which it isn't, but Romney is a bit too hammer fisted for me to support.   Let's see I get to choose between a douche and a turd sandwich.  Great!

Recently Romney was interviewed by a quadrapalegic (spelling?), the gentlemen interviewing him had spent his life in a wheel chair and suffered from numerous tramas, surgeries, and alternative medicines. Nothing will cure all or any of his ailments. He medicates legally through medicinal marijuana as it's the only thing that helps him eat or live without being on morphine. Romney told him that he is a criminal and deserves to go to jail.  

It blows my mind how anyone would vote for a guy like that. 

Also, if you haven't voted since 2008, you are no longer registered! So, be sure to re-register if you plan on having a vote come election day.

Originally posted by Ejekted Recently Romney was interviewed by a quadrapalegic (spelling?), the gentlemen interviewing him had spent his life in a wheel chair and suffered from numerous tramas, surgeries, and alternative medicines. Nothing will cure all or any of his ailments. He medicates legally through medicinal marijuana as it's the only thing that helps him eat or live without being on morphine. Romney told him that he is a criminal and deserves to go to jail.   It blows my mind how anyone would vote for a guy like that.  Also, if you haven't voted since 2008, you are no longer registered! So, be sure to re-register if you plan on having a vote come election day.

If that is true that is all you need to know to judge that guys character.

Originally posted by NickinChicago Come up with a better reason to vote against someone besides the fact that you like to get high.

Originally posted by NickinChicago Come up with a better reason to vote against someone besides the fact that you like to get high.

Originally posted by NickinChicago Originally posted by Ejekted Originally posted by CoMtnRider Romney:   Marijuana Marijuana is a gateway drug and should be illegal.  Ok Gramma, I know you have no appetitie and your stomach hurts all the time from your chemo therapy, but you can't have the medicine that gives you an appetite and helps your pain because it's evil.   Only a fool thinks Pot is any more of a "gateway drug" than alcohol.  I saw many people drop of out college because they drank their days away.  Not a single one of my friends that were recreational pot users dropped out, and one is a actually a doctor now.   Abortion Thinks it should be illegal, although has backed up and said in case of rape it is ok.  Not to mention the fact that he flip flopped on the issue entirely  I know this is a polarizing issue, but I would rather a woman get an abortion than have a child she doesn't want, that would not get the love it should, possibly have to be supported with my taxes.  It should be a choice, but obviously there should be a limit as to the length of time a woman can go before having an abortion.   Income Taxes If he didn't have anything to hide, he would have released his taxes.  He doesn't want the public to see all the ways he worked the system to make his tax return lower.  Man up and be honest about it.  If it's legal, what can anyone say right?   These are just a few examples of the reason I dislike this guy.  Government should be there to support it's citizens, not control them.  I just feel this dude is more of a fraud than any other candidate.   The biggest problem with elections is they have totally gone away from actually discussing the issues, and all they do is talk trash and lies so the majority of the public doesn't really know what the candidates even stand for, and just vote for the political party they most connect with.    This country is in dire straights, and I don't feel either of these guys are going to do a damn thing to help fix it.  Obama clearly thinks his plan is working which it isn't, but Romney is a bit too hammer fisted for me to support.   Let's see I get to choose between a douche and a turd sandwich.  Great! Recently Romney was interviewed by a quadrapalegic (spelling?), the gentlemen interviewing him had spent his life in a wheel chair and suffered from numerous tramas, surgeries, and alternative medicines. Nothing will cure all or any of his ailments. He medicates legally through medicinal marijuana as it's the only thing that helps him eat or live without being on morphine. Romney told him that he is a criminal and deserves to go to jail.   It blows my mind how anyone would vote for a guy like that.  Also, if you haven't voted since 2008, you are no longer registered! So, be sure to re-register if you plan on having a vote come election day. First of all that sounds like a load of BS. There is always some interview that took place but only the person talking about it has actually heard about it.  Second..Marijuana is the least of this countries concerns and if it is a reason you are voting then you are an idiot. Plus if it is a reason you are voting against Romney then you are an even bigger idiot.  Has it been legalized under Obama? No it has not.  Does Obama support legalizing it? No he does not. Will it be legalized with 4 more years of Obama? No it will not. Come up with a better reason to vote against someone besides the fact that you like to get high.

Originally posted by NickinChicago Oh I'm sorry, you did say the problem you had with him. I didn't realize that wasn't still considered discrimination. So it is okay to say you have a problem with mormons but not okay to say you have a problem with gays, blacks, mexicans, muslims, ect..?

Man you'd make a great politician, you just come back to what everyone else says instead of actually supporting your candidate with facts and what you specifically like about him haha.

Originally posted by CoMtnRider Originally posted by NickinChicago Come up with a better reason to vote against someone besides the fact that you like to get high. Marijuana itself is not the point.  The point is he blindly follows a belief based on what HE feels is right.  He feels this thing is a bad thing, so no matter how much this helps someone he is against it.  It's the principal.  We could be talking about aspirin/coffee/steak for all I care, if he had the same stance I would still disagree just as strongly.  What if he was a vegetarian and since red meat has shown to cause high cholestorol he wanted to outlaw it.  Would that make it right?  Don't get hung up on the substance, get hung up on the principal.   Latch on to whatever you want to support the dude, that is your choice as an American and no one can tell you that you are wrong.  For me, both candidates lack what is needed for this country to suceed.   I'm curious as why you are such a supporter though?  What has he proposed, that you actually researched, that you are such a supporter of?

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I'm sort of a neutral here, but one of the problems I see is that candidates pledge (and people therefore expect) them to make sweeping, definitive changes.  They're unrealistic promises that can't be fulfilled.

I just don't get the logic behind saying "Obama hasn't done anything he said he would and the economy is still a mess but lets give him another 4 years to see if he will."

Yeah, but i thought this was a pretty good, reasoned, rational discussion.  I was kinda surprised, people have been respectful and made good arguments.

Originally posted by NickinChicago I just don't get the logic behind saying "Obama hasn't done anything he said he would and the economy is still a mess but lets give him another 4 years to see if he will."   No where else in life would people think this way. If you purchased a product and it failed to do what it was advertised to do would you continue to purchase the same product over and over?   How about we compare it to snowboarding somewhat? What if your favorite resorts owners stopped taking care of the place and it really started to go to hell. The lifts broke down all the time, the park wasn't maintained, and the entire experience just went downhill. Well along comes someone who purchases the resort and tells everyone I'm going to fix everything that is wrong with this place. Just give me some time and I will get it done.   After the first year of the new owner you are still feeling like he will get it done even though nothing is really changing. Come the second season the park still sucks and the lifts are still getting stuck all the time. Now it is the third season and you got your pass only to find out it is the same old crap. Nothing is fixed and it has actually got worse. Well when it is time to buy next years pass do you stick with the resort that has broke all their promises or do you go down the road to the next place to give it a try and see if it is any better? Do you give the broken promise resort more time to fix the problems even though they have never shown they were capable of fixing them? My entire point is why do people want to give someone another chance when nothing has changed in 4 years? Wasn't his first election his chance to fix things? What will the 2nd be? Oh he was just kidding about the first 4 years, it will all be good after 8.