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    Posted: Sep/21/2011 at 10:18pm
^ yeah but by that time, you're already in the hospital...are they really gonna wait to treat you if seconds count? what kind of bullcrap policy is that?

because death certainly won't regardless of whether your insured or not :3
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^^^Survival of the fittest. Less waste in the gene pool! This is Sparta!!!
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  Quote tcontradiction Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2011 at 10:21am
Oh but seriously. Its not like the doctor checks that information its the staff job. If you decided to not to get health insurance they stop all work.

We are going to have to make a decision. Either everyone gets health care coverage or what we have now. People getting seen and not paying their doctor bill. What we have now is not working.
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  Quote sgreen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2011 at 9:28pm
Originally posted by tcontradiction

Oh but seriously. Its not like the doctor checks that information its the staff job. If you decided to not to get health insurance they stop all work.

We are going to have to make a decision. Either everyone gets health care coverage or what we have now. People getting seen and not paying their doctor bill. What we have now is not working.
   Seems to be working for those who aren't paying.LOL I think I know what you're saying. It can't continue this way indefinitely.
   Do you think nat'l HC should be a right?
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  Quote seacow234 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2011 at 10:33pm
im just glad sara palin is out...
stewart is right though...doesn't it make her a kind of nigerian royalty?
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  Quote shing02 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/08/2011 at 12:29pm
given the influx/volume of patients...i don't think staff actually has time to check if someone is insured...

what are you gonna do? run a google search on who everyone CLAIMS to be?
people show up to hospitals without ID all the time...it would be horribly unfair if someone was ROBBED, STABBED, and BEATEN to an inch of their life by the time they show up to a hospital, they can't receive care because they can't identify who they are...

that would be ridiculous.
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  Quote sgreen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/08/2011 at 12:49pm
Wow, Ron Paul won the Values Voters straw poll. By a lot. I wonder what values he endorses that put him over Perry and Cain? I haven't heard any of the speeches the candidates gave at the VV Conference.
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  Quote tcontradiction Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/09/2011 at 7:56am
Would that be ridiculous??? Think about what you are saying. They check patient records all the time to make sure your not getting medicines that you shouldn't get, that the blood type is right. And this is why are making medical records digital (one of many reason). Person comes in, you get a quick fingerprint scan and you have all their records including INSURANCE.

This is why its a mess now, because of all the people who act like they are someone else gaming the system, hurting the rest of us who pay for our insurance, and our taxes.

Im a liberal, but im not in favor of paying for other people. Just assisting those who want to be contributing members of society.
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  Quote seacow234 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/09/2011 at 11:20pm
straw polls mean NOTHING!!!

ron paul wins a lot of them...he won them last year too...but it wasn't enough :/
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^at least he gets attention!
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  Quote seacow234 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/10/2011 at 10:10pm
^so are a lot of places :3
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  Quote shing02 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/10/2011 at 11:00pm
herman cain seems to be gaining more momentum :3...
dunno much about him though, less than romney at least...
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  Quote AppMtns04 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/08/2011 at 6:12pm
Just when i thought the Republican party had a candidate that was taking the lead. Herman Cain is getting freaking attacked! 
-I honestly think these people are coming out of the wood work. 
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  Quote seacow234 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/08/2011 at 10:17pm
i think herman cain is about to lose that momentum...now at least...

it's like the GOP wants ANYONE but romney to win...lol
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  Quote tcontradiction Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/13/2011 at 9:03am
Newt 2012 LMAO got to love it!
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  Quote LittleShooey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/13/2011 at 9:46am
So when are we going to start seeing some 

INDEPENDENTS?!
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  Quote seacow234 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/13/2011 at 10:46pm
^never

not the way the media plays it out...at this point, they ALWAYS put it down to "two candidates". if only there was a way to hold them accountable................like the way they should hold politicians accountable.
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  Quote tcontradiction Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/14/2011 at 9:20am
2012 Ron Paul for sour milk! Its your right!!! This stuff gets funnier and funnier. I like his isolationism but I want someone checking on my food.
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  Quote wpiass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/14/2011 at 10:05am
Originally posted by tcontradiction

2012 Ron Paul for sour milk! Its your right!!! This stuff gets funnier and funnier. I like his isolationism but I want someone checking on my food.


i think most republicans seem pretty screwy in the head and I even think ron paul sounds like a decent guy
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  Quote carebear Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/14/2011 at 10:24am
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Originally posted by tcontradiction

2012 Ron Paul for sour milk! Its your right!!! This stuff gets funnier and funnier. I like his isolationism but I want someone checking on my food.


i think most republicans seem pretty screwy in the head and I even think ron paul sounds like a decent guy
 
That's why the other candidates hate him.  He actually seems intelligent and makes sense, which is not good if you are looking to take the Republican nod.
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^never

not the way the media plays it out...at this point, they ALWAYS put it down to "two candidates". if only there was a way to hold them accountable................like the way they should hold politicians accountable.

I don't think the mainstream media's wrong, we are a pretty dedicated two party nation. It's very profitable for them too, but that's a whole different story.  Accountability? Hah! Not until we get some national attention on the huge issues that are already out there. Secret Fed bailouts, SOPA/PIPA and the NDAA just to name whats been in the news this week. Jeez.

I was talking politics with friends and mentioned that I think the independent votes will be in the double digits in 2012. In 2008 it was almost null but in the early 90's Perot actually got 19% of the vote that split Clinton and H.W. Bush.

It's rough to get nationwide attention without access to the PAC's and other "fundraising" techniques but with everything's going on, Congressional dissatisfaction and Occupy gaining some traction especially, I think it's very possible. :) 
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  Quote seacow234 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/14/2011 at 10:49pm
anyone watch newt gingrich talk about "inner city urban youth" in poor neighborhoods?............he was totally talking about black people, hahahahha....i hope he loses the nomination bid :)
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Bahahaha I just heard on the radio this morning that some people are pulling a prank on the Newt Gingrich campaign.  This is mischeviously clever!
 
If you go to www.newtgingrich.com you will be directed to 1 of a few other sites.  Among them: a Greek travel guide website, Tiffany's jewelry store, Freddie Mac, and articles slamming the Gingrich campaign for being a book-signing tour.
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This reminds me, I probably need to register...nahhhhhh
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  Quote seacow234 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/22/2011 at 11:02pm
^why not might i ask?
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Ron Paul has my vote.
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Im likeing ron paul more then any other candidate just because i feel he is the only straight shooter. Hes honest candidate with high morals, something that this government lacks. Im not a fan of the direction this countries going and i feel ron paul will make the changes need to big us back to being a stronger countr.
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  Quote muddog257 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/30/2011 at 5:44pm
Going to be and intereseing campaign this year. Barak again and palin we'll just see who gets it.
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  Quote seacow234 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/30/2011 at 10:35pm
palin?.............are you paying attention at all?

i hope ron paul gets the nom, he SEEMS to be picking up steam now too...

honestly though, no one else stands a chance against obama.........newt?...romney? come on.

everyone else is a circus freak.
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  Quote iauwda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/30/2011 at 11:48pm
Ron Paul is too extreme. There isn't any balance with the guy and that's his problem. It's either black or white, fold or go all in. Too bad he the most honest guy in the race, but way extreme.
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Yeah .. If you listen to any other candidate, following the Constitution is the new extremism (bordering on the "T" word).
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Ron Paul got my vote last time and he'll get it again. Don't like everything he says, but he's honest and using logic in his arguements.
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  Quote FreeCarve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/31/2011 at 10:10am
I really liked him on Jay Leno, where he got props from Joe Rogan. (.. and the more I hear Joe Rogan talk, the more I like him .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJsi7SPBzfY )
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  Quote seacow234 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/01/2012 at 1:25am
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Ron Paul is too extreme. There isn't any balance with the guy and that's his problem. It's either black or white, fold or go all in. Too bad he the most honest guy in the race, but way extreme.


getting into 3 wars is PRETTY extreme too...so...

i don't really care what anyone says about "extreme" anymore...
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Originally posted by iauwda

Ron Paul is too extreme. There isn't any balance with the guy and that's his problem. It's either black or white, fold or go all in. Too bad he the most honest guy in the race, but way extreme.


getting into 3 wars is PRETTY extreme too...so...

i don't really care what anyone says about "extreme" anymore...

Don't get me wrong, Paul has some great ideas for the country, ie. bringing soldiers back from the wars, auditing the FED, and legalizing drugs, but he also wants to totally abolish federal agencies and programs that are very useful. Some examples include social security, medicare/medicaid,  EPA, department of education, the list goes on.  If it were up to Ron Paul, he wouldn't have passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 because he doesn't believe "Government" has a right to tell a restaurant owner that he's not allowed to discriminate.   
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All of those functions would be more efficient and transparent on the state level. Once anything is placed in the hands of the feds, accountability goes out the door, and slimy hands continually raid the cookie jar. Always.

While we're all for civil rights, think about it .. social change would have come about eventually anyhow, but on the state level. You can pick & choose one issue or another to argue for Big Brother, but the bigger picture is lost in doing so.
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Really? So why would moving it to the local level change that? There's local corruption there as well. The answer to combating corruption is to change legalized bribery and get money out of politics. You said "social change would have come about eventually anyhow," really? but how long is too long when your the one being discriminated? What about Paul's stance on getting rid of the FDA.  Yes the market will correct itself when a drug maker kills x number of patients, but what if it were your parents or children.  Would you trust a drug maker's clinical trials if it were not required by a federal agency.

Yes there are area's where government should be scaled back, but to completely think that government has no place in our lives, well why not have 50 different countries instead of the United States?
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It would be a lot easier to root out corruption on the state level if it weren't pervasive on the federal level, too.

The FDA serves as a rubber stamp for existing corporate interests, as do most federal agencies. It certainly doesn't do anything beneficial for me. How is eliminating alternate medicine or health supplements of benefit to us? No one's forcing us to buy anything from health food stores. Alternate treatment happen to be more effective at treating some cancers and many other ailments than mainstream medicine, and they're rapidly eliminating those options. FDA just came down hard on walnut growers for claiming (truthfully) that walnuts are good for you. http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...drugs-says-fda Over the past year they've run sting operations on distributors of raw milk, even busting the Amish selling within their own town.

Now, if the FDA were an agency in just my state, and I decided that I just couldn't abide by their bullshit, I'd have a choice of 49 other states to move to in which the FDA didn't have jurisdiction.
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I would prefer this over being screwed over by 3 wars...in the end, what we don't pay for in taxes to the fed, we owe our state.

this way, HOPEFULLY, everything goes just as well if not better...the state that does the best, other states can use as an example. we won't have to keep comparing ourselves to sweeden or some bs like that because fox news can't call another state "unamerican" lawl.

but seriously, i can't vote for obama after he signed in the NDAA. he ran on the "i'll close guantanamo" schtick and passing NDAA is the complete opposite...hell, it supports it!
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@Freecarve. Wow where do I start. Firstly the FDA needs to be a federal program otherwise it wouldnt have the power to regulate drug companies in other states. Now on to why we need certain federal agencies like the FDA. It takes an average of 12 years for a drug to be approved by the FDA with three phases it needs to pass. After that It can apply for a NDA (new drug application) and goes into phase iv where post marketing studies are done on the drug. Far from the rubber-stamping you claim the FDA is. You don't think it does anything for you because your just spewing talking points from republicans that make bashing government sound good. How does the FDA eliminate alternative medicines? I could have sworn you can still buy vitamins and ginko biloba at cvs. These alternative medices aren regulated by the FDA and you take them without consistency between brands. The ones that are banned are ones that have been proven to cause human harm. Now show me a clinical study published in any medical journal where it shows that there is a clinical sinifigance where alternative medicines are Better for "some cancers". You can't. Because if you actually looked at the percentages, you would see that they survival rates of cancer have grown. That's because of the advancment of cancer drugs and not from "alternative medicines" that's been around forever. Don't get me wrong alternative medicines plays a role but not to the significance you say that it does. The FDA didnt ban walnuts, it just prohibited it from saying that there are health for you. If there were no FDA then I could piss in a bottle saying it replenishes your potassium levels and sell it At CVS. Until there is a republican that believes in science and facts, we're really left with one bad choice. And that's OBama. (I could support John huntsman but he has no shot)

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“Wow where do I start. Firstly the FDA needs to be a federal program otherwise it wouldnt have the power to regulate drug companies in other states. Now on to why we need certain federal agencies like the FDA. It takes an average of 12 years for a drug to be approved by the FDA with three phases it needs to pass. After that It can apply for a NDA (new drug application) and goes into phase iv where post marketing studies are done on the drug. Far from the rubber-stamping you claim the FDA is.”

You’re describing the FDA doing it’s proper job of regulating drugs and food additives (the right hand). I’m talking about the FDA intruding where it doesn’t belong and/or promoting unhealthy choices (the left hand). This is typical of every large Federal agency that‘s lost sight of serving the American people.

9 questions about vaccines that don’t get answers:
http://preventdisease.com/news/09/10...e_debate.shtml

“You don't think it does anything for you because your just spewing talking points from republicans that make bashing government sound good.”

Since you’re now stooping to terms like “spewing”, which are meant to ridicule and demean, this is my last post directly answering you. I recognize that it’s all downhill from here.   Your basic information is entirely from mainstream news, fed to the masses to be regurgitated by “smart” guys like you. BTW, I’ve voted mostly Democrat for 40+ years.

“How does the FDA eliminate alternative medicines? I could have sworn you can still buy vitamins and ginko biloba at cvs.”

CVS? That’s the last place I’d look for quality health supplements. If you speak to the manager of any fully stocked health food store, you’ll learn that they feel their days in business are numbered.

Choosing health foods = mental disorder
http://www.naturalnews.com/029098_orthorexia_mental_disorder.html

“These alternative medices aren regulated by the FDA and you take them without consistency between brands. The ones that are banned are ones that have been proven to cause human harm.”

What we are seeing today is quite the opposite. Tighter controls (which typically precede outright ban) are being placed on harmless supplements, while more and more cases come to light of how the FDA’s been ignoring harm caused by Big Business for decades.

Pesticides in baby formula:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/why-pesticide-used-ingredient-infant-formula

Window cleaning agent in ground beef:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/us/31meat.html?_r=1

Neotane into Organic foods:   http://farmwars.info/?p=4897

Aspertame/MSD/FDA:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0cwT0fsQ1Y

“Now show me a clinical study published in any medical journal where it shows that there is a clinical sinifigance where alternative medicines are Better for "some cancers". You can't. Because if you actually looked at the percentages, you would see that they survival rates of cancer have grown. That's because of the advancment of cancer drugs and not from "alternative medicines" that's been around forever.”

Since losing our son to bone cancer 8 years ago, my wife and I have learned more about mainstream vs. alternate cancer treatment than you or anyone else on this board will ever know. We were told after-the-fact that the chemo treatment he received has a 1.5% survival rate. (15 out of 1,000) His chances would have been increased 10-fold with common vitamins and supplements (that the FDA is in the process of banning), in tandem with radical diet change. This NOT to say that medical science hasn't made strides in some types of cancer, but you can be certain you (or somebody) be paying through the nose for the cure.

FDA plans to outlaw dietary supplements:
http://www.naturalnews.com/032912_FDA_dietary_supplements.html

“Don't get me wrong alternative medicines plays a role but not to the significance you say that it does. The FDA didnt ban walnuts, it just prohibited it from saying that there are health for you.”

Thank goodness it’s still legal to eat walnuts. Meanwhile, walnut growers can’t discuss the benefits of walnuts, yet Doritos can claim the benefits of their junk food. My point is exactly as you affirm: The FDA has prohibited truthful statements, while "allowing" BS.

Walnuts are drugs and Doritos are healthy:
http://www.gaia-health.com/articles201/000230-fda-says-walnuts-are-drugs-and-doritos-are-heart-healthy.shtml

“If there were no FDA then I could piss in a bottle saying it replenishes your potassium levels and sell it At CVS.”

That would be your right, but nobody would take you seriously (unless you had the media in your pocket).

“Until there is a republican that believes in science and facts, we're really left with one bad choice. And that's OBama. (I could support John huntsman but he has no shot)”

News Flash: Anyone who believes there’s some huge difference between Republican & Democrat in the areas that most matter is still buying the controlled opposition presented to us as “choice”. I voted for Obama last time around in the mistaken belief that there was a 10% chance he’d be true to his word. Heck, he and I went to the same school, shared similar (stated) ideology, and experienced many of the same issues during our youth. He’s a major fail. Same old stuff, far slicker packaging.

We’re way better off listening carefully to each candidate than voting by party. Ron Paul has been saying the same thing for 20+ years with very little change, while all the rest of the candidates will say whatever is necessary to get votes.

I’ll pick the honest man any day, even if I don‘t agree 100%. I couldn’t care less what “party” he belongs to. And while the appeal of voting for a winning ticket is human (I‘ve been swayed by the “electable“ argument before), I’ll be voting my conscience in the last presidential election this country will likely see .. even if Diebold has pre-tallied the vote for us.

“You are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts.”

You may wish to explain this further, but I take it to mean “Regurgitate only the evening news "facts", so we can stand around the water cooler and circle-jerk.”

I should have known better than to enter a political discussion on a snowboard chat group. I’m headed to Boreal.
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^FOR THE LOVE OF THE SNOW GODS, TELL ME HOW BOREAL IS. i have a snow trip set up for MLK weekend and i NEED SOMETHING GOOD TO DO/GRIND ON.

as for the FDA, some aspects of it are pretty nice. i can't see your link on the thing about vaccines but if it has anything to do w/ the influenza vaccine then it's because it's a proven method that works all the time so the FDA just lets it slide because of how it works so often...that's the ONLY thing i can think of for questions that usually don't get answers.

but yes, i agree there are aspects of the fda that suffocate businesses and aspects they get right...do we need them? it'd be nice if they did the job they intended to do, like oversee drugs that don't kill people after clinical trials so we don't get another kind of medication that increases risk of heart attack/stroke even though it lowered your blood pressure (something in 2006...prevacid?)...BUT I DIGRESS.
regardless, it's nice to have for the sake of epidemiology
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if dennis kuccinich was still in the game, i would vote for him so hard...sadly, i honestly think hillary will become the next president after obama...
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@freecarve 
"You’re describing the FDA doing it’s proper job of regulating drugs and food additives (the right hand). I’m talking about the FDA intruding where it doesn’t belong and/or promoting unhealthy choices (the left hand). This is typical of every large Federal agency that‘s lost sight of serving the American people. "
Well if you got rid of the FDA all the advantages of this government agency would be gone. hence the point that you can't just eliminate all federal agency's.

I used the term spewing because that's basically what your doing.  The claim that the FDA is just rubber stamping drugs to get through is too outlandish.  I gave you facts about how long it takes for a drug to go on market. The information from what i get is from the research that i do because i care about the issues. Complete dismantling of a federal agency like the FDA is unreasonable and i'm showing you why.  Sorry if the term spewing offended you but i felt like i had to use a strong word to your flat out lie.

"CVS? That’s the last place I’d look for quality health supplements. If you speak to the manager of any fully stocked health food store, you’ll learn that they feel their days in business are numbered."
They're numbered not because of regulation towards vitamins, because the're aren't any unless they PROVE harmful. You have to be more specific in what are banned, because as far as i know i'm walnuts aren't banned and will NEVER be. (unless they prove harmful) 

with regards to the "healthy mental disorder" The problem with patients these days is that they are not educated.  They automatically just trust the MD without doing their own research. The way our health care run its based on quantity and not quality.  So the more the MD's treat patients, the more money they make.  That is the problem with our healthcare system.  For example, why are so many children on ADHD meds? It's because it's pushed by drug companies and many MD's just take their word for it without scrutinizing the clinical trials.  Our country was fine before these drugs existed and will continue to be without them.  The FDA regulates these drugs to a certain extent but it's still the patients responsibility for their own research.  (full disclosure, i am a pharmacist.)

"What we are seeing today is quite the opposite. Tighter controls (which typically precede outright ban) are being placed on harmless supplements, while more and more cases come to light of how the FDA’s been ignoring harm caused by Big Business for decades. "
Which ones? give me facts, give me examples. You're just stating an opinion as far as i'm concerned.  

Pesticides in baby formula:  There are natural elements in nature that can cause harm if given in a SIGNIFICANT amount.  Example. The FDA allows sushi although it contains mercury.  Tap water may contain arsenic, barium, cadmium, copper ect.  But these are all regulated by the EPA to minimal levels so it does not cause harm. If Paul could he would eliminate these AGENCIES and then industries could pollute as much as they want.

Now im sorry that you had such a devastating lost as i can only imagine losing a son.  But show me the clinical trials where just diet and vitamins alone could have given him a 10% chance survival rate.  Now don't get me wrong there are special interest out there where they would suppress the data and push a certain way. (lyme diseases and how insurance companies refused to treat because it was to expensive even though it was proven to be effective) That's more of a reason to have well run agencies (without money influence) to review these studies and set them as recommendations.  Which is why MONEY has to be taken out of politics.  

No doubt that there are places where the FDA can overstep.   But total elimination is crazy.  Again thats why the answer is to get money out of politics.  
I have the same contentions about Obama.  And you are correct when you say we shouldn't vote on party,  however, American's are not informed and that's why they rely on the 2 party system. Until we get informed we lose our democracy to special money interest.  If you want a honest politician, although i don't totally agree with everything he says, look into Buddy Roemer.  Now ask yourself why he isn't getting any traction or coverage from the media.

I'm and independent and strongly believe in science.  The facts leads you towards the truth.   If i'm sick i look towards a MD, if i need the house to be redone i look for a carpenter.  After listening to the so called experts about a certain issue i look everything up myself to see if they are telling the truth. 

Thats why i had to call you out on your lies about the FDA. Government agencies come with advantages as well as many disadvantages. To use a cliche, you can't throw the baby out with the bath water. 
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It was a close race last night with Ron Paul taking 3rd but he still landed 21% I was surprised by that. It is still too close to be sure between Romney and Santorum.
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What I was surprised by was how Santorum is getting away with his race-baiting comments.  Obviously, his party isn't going to be bothered by it, but they have to see that it is going to be a feature of a general election if her were nominated.  He needs to get out soon.  I am sure he will, I think he doesn't have enough momentum outside of Iowa. 
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Originally posted by HAVEN2135

It was a close race last night with Ron Paul taking 3rd but he still landed 21% I was surprised by that. It is still too close to be sure between Romney and Santorum.

until you google santorum...
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im just glad all the people who claimed god told them to run are out of the game now...dumbasses...
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