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    Posted: Feb/27/2011 at 8:08pm
hey all. i've been watching this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC6-orOQX9w

and what blows my mind is the dude at 0:23 (and some other people later), who does that ridiculous rotation on the ground into what looks like a 540 off an ollie. i've been trying to emulate it, but i can't make my board butter nearly that fast without catching edge - and it doesn't even look like he's moving from edge to edge when spinning. i can currently do a 360 off an ollie, but i feel like if i could get that epic rotation before the ollie i could turn it into a 540...

anyone have any tips for doing this? i was thinking of detuning my edges (i want to for boxes and rails anyways). or could it be a TBT board that they're using? i know those can spin like that pretty easy...

anyways. thanks!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/27/2011 at 8:16pm
it appears that you have to be a crazy asian ninja in order to do some of that stuff, HAHAHAHA.  TBT seems like it could help, but it's probably just a tooon of practice.  I'd rather ride pow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/27/2011 at 8:20pm
crap all i was thinkin after watching that was, i gotta work on my snowboarding.. lol

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/27/2011 at 8:22pm
also, i wonder wtf they are riding!! my all-mountain board doesnt cut it for ollies and spins (okay, maybe i just suck, but im not that bad).. i need like a 2ft long reverse camber
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/27/2011 at 8:25pm
Great video.  Maybe i'll try this next time I got riding in the east since I never find pow. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/27/2011 at 8:40pm
haha yeah. it's pretty motivating. :P me and my buddies always watch it right before we go butter it up now. haha

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/27/2011 at 8:48pm
That. Is. Awesome.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/27/2011 at 10:31pm
It's insane how many rotations they can get in so low off the ground!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/27/2011 at 10:36pm
i would try getting a 138 reverse camber board and grind the edges so its impossible to catch for starters...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/27/2011 at 11:32pm
Great video. megacrazy boys!!!!now i want to learn to spin. Now I have a goal)))
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2011 at 1:51am
that's sick man.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2011 at 3:30am
talk about a one trick pony, it the whole video him just throwing that same trick?  it only looks to me like he lands a few of him or is the back roll part of it? 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2011 at 5:53am
LOL that's one crazy mofo. I will end up puking if I keep spinning like that. I can only do 2 rotations on the ground before I feel dizzy Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2011 at 6:02am
some tips.

- get a completely detuned board thats less that 150
- be asian (aka small and can spin super fast)
- you say it doesnt look like hes moving from edge to edge, but he is. its all about where your weight is when doing ground tricks like these. watch when his weight shift from his backfoot to his from front foot. thats when he sets and initiated his spin. he's basically loading his tail up with a ton of pop, then releasing it, and rotating his spin.

learning 5's off a jump is about 5 steps behind where these guys are skill wise. so id recommend getting spins down better than a country boy knows how to square dance. thats about the only way your gonna be able to spn that fast and not fall everytime.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2011 at 8:49am
Originally posted by Spenser W.

it appears that you have to be a crazy asian ninja in order to do some of that stuff, HAHAHAHA.  TBT seems like it could help, but it's probably just a tooon of practice.  I'd rather ride pow.


Agreed. Crazy asian ninja is definitely the first requirment.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2011 at 9:00am
man those guys have some ridiculous spins. If there wasn't so much ice in the east, I'd detune my board and try it, but unfortunately we just have too many days with icy conditions to detune my board to be worth it. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2011 at 11:24am
lolololol.

thanks zagfan. that's what i was looking for.

at least i got the asian part down... sadly not all asians are ninjas, though.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2011 at 11:30am
It looks like he's catching an edge to initiate a front flip or something at some point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2011 at 11:35am
I spoke with the guy who posted that video before and he rides a camber board much like most other Japanese flat trick riders.  Yes, he catches an edge to give him the extra momentum to fly.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2011 at 11:37am
Dangggggg that so sick
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2011 at 11:44am
haha I couldnt stop laughing after reading all the 'asian ninja' comments..snowboard ninjas, the sequel to surf ninjas
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2011 at 11:58am
This was already posted and dissected...somewhere on this site.  It's not about detuning, it's about purposely catching an edge to transfer your momentum into a spin.
It also looks like poo since the guy lands on his ass every time then bounces up and rides away.  Maybe I'm getting old but I won't call that stylish.

If you're looking for something to do on the ground, try buttering a 360 (or more) on your nose/tail.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/01/2011 at 12:06pm
This reminded me/looks like exactly what these martial art/gymnastic guys do in this video, just with a board on snow.


And whether it looks like crap or not they look like they're having fun so whatever floats your boat.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/01/2011 at 1:13pm
oh those asians with their peace signs

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/01/2011 at 2:32pm
an interesting idea. to catch an edge to get momentum. looks like hes not quite ready for it sometimes though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/01/2011 at 4:36pm
that's a lot of core strength.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/01/2011 at 6:31pm
I think i am going to have to learn to do some of that crap. I will get hurt and I will fail, but i might be able to not kill myself. So I decree.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/01/2011 at 6:38pm
This is where I want to take my next level of riding to. Im staying away from park since it seems more dangerous. These guys intentionally catch an edge to spin. The hard part is doing it :(
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/01/2011 at 6:42pm
DDR meets snowboarding
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/01/2011 at 6:55pm
They seem to use "catching there edge" to propel them at ridiculous rotational velocities off the ground.  At least that is what it looks like to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/02/2011 at 9:05am
lol. well. I wasn't actually talking that trick, fishkur. it didn't impress me all that much either.

i was mostly impressed by their ability to butter so quickly and turn it into 540's off ollies.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/02/2011 at 10:27am
Thats insane.. The funny thing is that its all asian people NINJAS@!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/02/2011 at 10:43am
Sick Video. I would LOVE how to do that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/02/2011 at 11:02am
probably sol unless you're a wiry 5 feet tall with some gymnastics background

...but if you wanna keep trying, I suggest full body padding (gonna be eating it hard every run, every day for at least a complete season) and it looks like they're using short first gen reverse camber boards, if not regular camber. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/02/2011 at 12:26pm

i'm asian on a 152 and is very hard to do. i get tired and dizzy after only a few spins on the ground wit a couple backside 180s at half the speed.

i think you'll need to be/need (modified zagfan5's list):
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-detuned 150 board or smaller
-and a black belt in kungfu or karate of sort
 
i've been trying to do the similar trick (not as epic as that guy), but i don't think i can get it to look like that still. Here's my suggestion. I started wit just spinning backside on the ground as fast and as many as i can. when i got used to the rotations, i started addin 180s and tail press spins and this is where i'm now. i'm still working on it. maybe next time, i can add in 3s and full butters too. and yes, i transfer edges very fast. sometimes, i don't react fast enough and eat it in the face or the butt.  
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Originally posted by 2zz

i'm asian on a 152 and is very hard to do. i get tired and dizzy after only a few spins on the ground wit a couple backside 180s at half the speed.

i think you'll need to be/need (modified zagfan5's list):
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-detuned 150 board or smaller
-and a black belt in kungfu or karate of sort
 


I think that's a bit off.  The only reason why the Japanese are so good at flat tricks is because that riding style is popular there.  From what I've seen, most Japanese riders' profile says they ride about a 154 and camber profile without detune.  Yes, there is a number of riders who have practiced martial arts for 6+ years but there are other riders who have none.  As for rotations, take a spin class or learn a proper way to spin so that you won't get dizzy.   
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lol at the "crazy asian ninja" comment. I can't stop watching this video.. and thinking I still really need to work on my boarding
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Clean flat 540 and 720s.
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Originally posted by Angry Midget Yo



Clean flat 540 and 720s.


how the hell? soo freaking clean! with no effort too!!!
man... i would try this on the slopes but id just look like a fool barely getting 180s off.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/05/2011 at 3:32am
some of this stuff looks semi doable if you can get the rotation acceleration down. Can't wait to try this winter :)
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Man, i really want to know how to do that!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/05/2011 at 6:11am
everytime they rotate, they do it when they do a sharp carve/skidded turn
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/05/2011 at 6:20am
^not always...the second one he does after a simple 180 butter and ollies into a 540.  He starts the momentum/arm wind from the ground 180 and then loads the crap out of the tail

...plus, although the viewer can't see them in the video, there's probably little anomalies (bumps) in the snow helping the launch on some of those
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wel tru, but l guess the carve is a good learning point for it 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/05/2011 at 6:59am
I can do flat ground front fives.  It's really kind of cheating though because you leave the ground and land at 90 degrees.  Get your front three's and front 180's on lock and then just huck. 
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sweeeeet.
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got BS on lock, but I'm just now getting frontside...landings are kinda wierd.  Spent 1/4 my latest session hucking FS off groomer transitions into pow.  Made about 80% (as opposed to 99% BS)
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