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    Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 12:22pm
so i have recently picked up snowboarding and i have been trying to work on linking turns. i do O.K. but sometimes i take some rough spills.

lately, i noticed that i have had issues linking turns in narrower parts of the trail. im sure it is enough room for normal snowboarders but i cant manage to get my back leg to swing out fast enough and then i end up just aborting and stopping so i dont go flying off the mountain.

i have watched the videos here on linking turns and try to hunt down as much information i can find in order to improve technique. it seems pretty simple, shift weight to my forward foot, lean, swing out back leg... i guess i just cant do it fast enough though.


is this just something that comes with time and practice or is there a trick or advice?

i really wish i had a video to show to see if my technique is off but my girlfriend's camera fell outta her pocket somewhere on the mountain at northstar. :(
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 12:24pm
Time and practice will help.  Learning to link on narrow and steep runs is just something that takes practice.  If you have to do a quick turn you really do need to initiate the turn more instead of letting the board do the work.  My suggestion would be to treat a wider run you are more comfortable on as a narrow and try and limit yourself to a certain area so you can practice quick turns but not go flying into the trees or off the side of the run if you don't make it.  Good luck and stick with it, it'll come in time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 12:30pm
i agree it takes time and practice the main thing you can do to improve is to practice and keep doing it and trying to get your feet around faster. also try and practice your narrow turns on an open trail so that you dotn go off the mountain and you have more room for error and practice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 12:52pm
It will come with time and as you become more comfortable on the board. Try swinging your board out at a smaller angle then you would on a wide open run and really initiate each turn without letting the board do what it wants. Wants you get better in general you probably won't even need to carve any on narrower parts of the mountain since those tend to be less steap and most higher skilled individuals would just go straight down those sections.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 2:20pm
thanks for the info...
i am looking forward to my next day out on the mountain to get a little more time in on the board and practice some of this stuff.

i guess i just gotta get better at doing what i do. 

my turns definitely dont feel very smooth just yet. it feels a little bumpy and choppy, i think because i am making minor adjustments as i swing out my back leg. 


also, how do you do very slight angles? like, if i am pointed straight down and want to just veer to the left or right vs. making a full on hard turn... how do i do that? i tried a few different things but sometimes i get the worst feeling like my board is unstable or getting caught up on something. i dont know how to describe it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 2:22pm
confidence also helps. l think one of the reason your spilling alot is because your not in as much of a athletic position as you should be to obsorb any bumps along the way.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 2:30pm
A lot of it is practice and building your confidence up. You will take some spills, but as you get better, you will learn how to fall "into" the mountain vs doing a "fly swatter".

This may sounds a little off, but you want to get good at riding *fast*. The slower you are going, the harder it is to turn. Once you are confident riding with speed, you will want to point your board straight down narrow paths and scrub off speed as needed.

Carrying your speed is oh so important in many different scenarios.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 2:49pm
what do you mean by falling into the mountain vs. doing a flyswatter?

im  just curious since i fall a lot :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 4:30pm
Let's say you are turning on your toe edge. Falling into the mountain would be falling on your knees. Another word for this is a washout. You basically lose your edge and slide down the mountain.

A flyswatter would be if you were sliding down the mountain on your toe edge with your back facing downhill, and you caught your heel edge. Usually this is much more sudden and painful :)

You can washout or flyswatter on either edge. But the preferable thing to do is a washout.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 4:35pm
time and practice are the best to help but. if your flying through trails your best bet on staying up on your board and not making snow angels is to shred really hard to decrease speed at any open area, not turning off trail just a quick board shred going forward.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 4:50pm
practice practice practice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 4:54pm
possibly try a softer pair of bindings on it until u get used to it. or just keep eating it till you cant take the pain anymore and u learn
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 5:26pm
Originally posted by cyrus10101

Let's say you are turning on your toe edge. Falling into the mountain would be falling on your knees. Another word for this is a washout. You basically lose your edge and slide down the mountain.

A flyswatter would be if you were sliding down the mountain on your toe edge with your back facing downhill, and you caught your heel edge. Usually this is much more sudden and painful :)

You can washout or flyswatter on either edge. But the preferable thing to do is a washout.


oh gotcha. thanks for the explanation.
i definitely experienced both on both edges and can say that it isnt fun bashing the back of your head on the ground after catching an edge while toe side
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 6:12pm
what kind of board are you riding camber or rocker? its easier to turn in on narrow run on a rocker board over a camber board
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 6:48pm
To answer your first question, I find it helpful to focus on really turning your hips.

When you're making long, slow turns, a lot of the time you focus on your feet and lower legs. If you lean forward and initiate the turn by flexing the board with your feet and shifting your weight a bit as you rotate your front knee, everything else just follows along. The whole idea of initiating with your front foot is that the sidecut of the board works with you and the rest of the board and your body just follows along.

On steep or narrow (or both) terrain, you don't really have the time to do all of those things and wait for the board to pull you around. I tend to turn using two techniques, depending on how deep the snow is.

If there's not a ton of snow, I keep my weight forward and initiate the turn like I normally would, but I think about using my front heel (or toe) as a pivot point, and I swing my hips around that point. This keeps the weight off of your back foot, so you're not dragging your weight across the snow to get the back of the board around. Instead of sliding into the turn, I twist my hips to bring the board into it. It takes a bit more effort, but you can make some quick turns that way.

If the snow is deep, that really won't work, because you're probably just going to plow the nose under by shifting your weight forward. In that case, I do the same basic thing, but I think about pressing the tail and pivoting around my back foot and swinging my hips. It can be a little trickier for me to do, because it's easy to fall back if you shift your weight too far. But pow is forgiving and it's not that big of a deal.

In either case, it's important to get your weight back to a more neutral position after you've swung the board around, just like in the middle of a regular turn.

Originally posted by Stanky13

also, how do you do very slight angles? like, if i am pointed straight down and want to just veer to the left or right vs. making a full on hard turn... how do i do that? i tried a few different things but sometimes i get the worst feeling like my board is unstable or getting caught up on something. i dont know how to describe it.

In this case, I don't worry about swinging my weight, or rotating my knees, or initiating with the front foot at all. Toeside, I just press my toes down, and push my knees and hips out over the edge a bit. Heelside, I just lift my toes and 'sit down' a little bit. You can actually be pretty lazy making these kinds of turns and just shift your weight back and forth slightly. You have to be comfortable on your board, but it's not that hard.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 7:19pm
Easiest way to link turns is go practice with your entire upper body leading down into hips and then the lower legs. Stick your arms out like the Leonardo DaVinci drawing and then point and look where you want to go. Something like this... say I'm riding Heel Side.

HS going left (I ride normal) down the slope > slow to a comfortable speed > weight forward, flatten the board by rotating shoulders and look at where you want to go, the hips will follow the shoulders, looking right > lift toes from flat to engage toe edge while swinging back foot(this should happen since you're engaging your toe edge by lifting/leaning forward).

Now on TS going right down the slope > slow a bit by lifting toes to a comfortable speed > straighten out(flatten the board) by releasing toes gradually > rotate shoulders & look at where you want to go > raise heels slowly to engage heel edge.

I usually time it to my breathing if it's not to steep and a nice ride down. Breath in... heel turn.... ride on heel a bit... breath out... toe turn... ride on toe a bit.... and repeat.

For steep parts...Blues > Double Blacks... it's pointless to try to slow down too much... you will 90% washout or even worse faceplant/flyswat... flyswats hurt and it's impossible to recover... a toe side washout you can use your back arm to push off the ground while rebalancing with your front arm.

As you get more confident and get a feel for how the board reacts to your movements, you can do turns quickly and hopefully smoothly. But don't get too cocky, I did that in Feb and flyswatted hard... was stunned for a minute. Thank god I was wearing a helmet... my lower back has a bump now
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 7:25pm
practice on wider trails, but keep yourself to narrow turns.  then its the same thing when you're on narrow trails.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 7:31pm
Originally posted by Stanky13

sometimes i get the worst feeling like my board is unstable or getting caught up on something. i dont know how to describe it.
I think you're describing the feeling you get right before you catch an edge. For me that was one of the harder things to overcome as a noob. 

I figured out that it's much easier to link turns if your weight isn't on your back foot and you are in a squat position. You just gotta keep a good mental state about everything the guys here mentioned so you can practice it on the mountain. That's how I learned. 
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Originally posted by Stanky13

sometimes i get the worst feeling like my board is unstable or getting caught up on something. i dont know how to describe it.

I think you're describing the feeling you get right before you catch an edge. For me that was one of the harder things to overcome as a noob. 
I figured out that it's much easier to link turns if your weight isn't on your back foot and you are in a squat position. You just gotta keep a good mental state about everything the guys here mentioned so you can practice it on the mountain. That's how I learned. 


Control your speed, be on a slope you're comfortable with. Once you have the fundamentals to turning, it's just doing it at faster speeds. And you will have to watch out for other riders/skiiers, having the confidence knowing you can control where you're going and how fast will keep everyone out of the first aid tent =)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2011 at 7:39pm
^^yes thats true. l learned it by catching an edge, then realized that thats the sensation you should get. also got some help from a friend to guide me through. but practice and imagine it before you hit the slope and how you'll tackle it 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/12/2011 at 2:40am
thanks for all the intel!
i cant wait to put some of this new advice to work and see how things go. ill keep everyone posted on my progress. 

thanks for the tips!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/12/2011 at 2:46am
Originally posted by Stanky13

so i have recently picked up snowboarding and i have been trying to work on linking turns. i do O.K. but sometimes i take some rough spills.

lately, i noticed that i have had issues linking turns in narrower parts of the trail. im sure it is enough room for normal snowboarders but i cant manage to get my back leg to swing out fast enough and then i end up just aborting and stopping so i dont go flying off the mountain.

i have watched the videos here on linking turns and try to hunt down as much information i can find in order to improve technique. it seems pretty simple, shift weight to my forward foot, lean, swing out back leg... i guess i just cant do it fast enough though.


is this just something that comes with time and practice or is there a trick or advice?

i really wish i had a video to show to see if my technique is off but my girlfriend's camera fell outta her pocket somewhere on the mountain at northstar. :(
That soounds like a skidded turn.  Try practicing using your edges to turn by driving your knees forward and applying pressure to your heals while going straight. It'll take time, but once you get used to making gradual changes in direction instead of skidding around, skinny trails will be no problem.
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One more important tip compliments of trusnow:

Snowboard Basics: Falling Safely
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/12/2011 at 4:02am
for me, when i trying to do a front board press i notice that i was turning alot faster. it seemed that the more weight i put to my front leg the faster i would get the back to whip out. try that
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/04/2011 at 8:50pm
The best thing I found was go to a wide run later in the day when there are less people around, pick the narrowest line you have the balls for and stick to it for as long as possible, when you feel like your going to fast just remember, your on a wide as run, just go back to boarding like your comfortable until you are ready to go again. First time you do it you might want to slow down and start again but soon enough you'll just pull out for a second to get your mind back.
You'll go from pulling out to the side and slowing down, to pulling out to the side and keeping the same speed and before you even realise you won't even need to!
Have fun, riding narrow runs between trees over powder is one of the best things about boarding!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun/04/2011 at 10:01pm
Yeh I find when i do really narrow turns i quickly gain too much speed. Sometimes I have to lean foreward on th nose of my board more to loosen up the tail of the board a bit more to be able to bring it around quicker.
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If you are riding narrow trails and you have some skiers in front of you you have to relax and you have to move the tail strongthly.

I mean, it is not to skid but is to move more heavyly the tail to lose speed and not having accidents.

When you feel more confident, you will be able to change from edge to edge more easily and you will be doing turns even in the narrowest rail..^^

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