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Boneseh
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Topic: Need some quick feedbackPosted: Apr/26/2011 at 9:55am |
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Hey guys, I've been ridiculously busy with school and work lately so I haven't been able to hang out here. I have a research project I'm doing for my master's program and rather than making up statistics, I figured I'd ask this awesome groups of guys n gals. :)
The question is: If a website did not use HTTPS for your order, would you buy from this website? HTTPS means that the website is secure, no one can listen in on it. The conversation is encrypted, so if anyone tries to listen in, no one can understand what is being said. It's like a language that only two people understand. An example of this would be: you're buying snowboarding gear online at TruSnow and you have to give them a credit card. TruSnow recognizes this and takes you to a secure HTTPS connection. Only TruSnow can understand your credit card information now. However, if you're buying gear online at another retailer, such as billybobsoutlet and they don't take you to a secure connection, anyone listening on the traffic can receive your credit card information and because it's not encrypted, they have all your information. So again, the question I'm asking is If a website did not use HTTPS for your order, would you buy from this website? Thanks, you guys are awesome! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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turbo95sir
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 10:00am |
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do you irb approval for this survey question? i'm looking into signing onto a dissertation project and it's a pain in the ASS what you can and cannot ask people, especially if it's for a research project.
anyways, to answer your question...no |
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carebear
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 10:04am |
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No, sketchy...maybe Nigeria??
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Boneseh
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 10:07am |
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turbo95sir
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 10:27am |
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really, another scan from nigeria? wow...they are getting creative. but really all non-https sites are from nigeria?
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determined
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 10:27am |
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Did not know what that extra s meant now i know. No i would not buy from that site. I always look if the page is secure if im buying anything. Even then if my info did get stolen i would just call up my credit card to dispute the erroneous charges which has happened to me before.
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MATTSTERBATOR
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 10:28am |
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If it's not secure, it's too risky. People are too savvy to scaming nowadays.
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Angry Midget Yo
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 11:19am |
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What's the site in question?
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Marumm
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 11:19am |
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It depends. If the site sets off my scamdar then obviously no, but if it's a site offering a unique deal, and they seem like a small-time mom n' pop shop, then I'll think about it. But I'll definitely be using my credit card for the fraud protection in case something goes awry.
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rzero
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 11:20am |
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I don't think your average consumer knows what https even is or pays attention to it when purchasing something online.
That's like asking if you don't buy from a restaurant that uses Aloha over Delphis.
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Angry Midget Yo
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 11:29am |
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Hehe, that's true. I usually overlook the whole https and http thing. I just look for the lock icon thingy before I put my credit card info or if my browser detector detects it's a fake site and warns me. |
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TheLuckster
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 11:44am |
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Probably not, depends on what it is.
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gamelessx25
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 11:52am |
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Going with No, online scams are everywhere, I'd only trust the legit stuff.
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IAFFbuckeye
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 11:58am |
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I agree with most people probally dont even pay attention to the use of an https or http site. So I am saying no I proballly would never catch it. Worst case would be call my CC company and have them cancel the order and reimburse if the site was faulty.
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t1npbo9
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 12:05pm |
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if you use firefox, the address bar looks different if its an HTTPS website...
i am hesitant to purchase on non https |
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robnezz23
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 12:05pm |
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Yes, I would.
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rzero
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 12:14pm |
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having a cert of secure connection doesn't mean it is legit. I can found a '11 Car fund for distressed '98 Honda Civic that are owned by people in the 80237 area code. Have it look legit with a ssl cert and https...would you donate?
easy.
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CoMtnRider
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 12:19pm |
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I wouldn't but I work in technologies. I also wouldn't order anything over a wireless connection but people do that all the time.
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 1:32pm |
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I try to avoid all websites that are not https, however I do feel a bit safer with the Amex, customer service is great and they refunded me money, called, and cancelled my card with some "donations" I started making, before I even was aware of them.
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rosati777
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 1:37pm |
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IT aALlllll depends...
if its Jon's xMods hobby RC shop where its like the only website you can get the parts you need then yeah. but if its like "we're a brand new big jumbo mumbo corporation but we used clipart and its not https" then i will run as fast as i can
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Forgot10
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 1:38pm |
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i probably wouldnt. to sketchy for me!
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rzero
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 1:39pm |
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I'm not https and I woke up with some girls debt card in my pocket.
message here, wear protection. |
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beunknown
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 1:43pm |
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I didn't know about the difference, but like everyone else, I look to see if I am on a secured connection (firefox changes the search bar) and if I am, I'll go for it. Even for a mom and pop shop, I probably would turn the other way if it wasn't secure
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rzero
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 1:49pm |
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It's a certificate companies buy($100-$2,500) to say they are safe and your information is encrypted
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beunknown
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 1:55pm |
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That's cool, I don't really care. That doesn't mean I feel 100% fine that no one will ever get my info and I will never check my credit card statement again. I will continue to match up my recepis and statements, but it is my personal decision that I am just not going to purchase from a non-certified site. Its an unneeded risk when I can get it from a secure site. And if it's a scam even though it's secure, that's great, I'm going to realize the discrepancy on my statement. |
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nautika96
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 2:24pm |
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ive had my share of problems ordering online from lesser known companies. if its not https id go to some where more trusted. its worth the small difference in price.
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marbella2g
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 2:29pm |
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No, I would never order anything from a site that did not go to a secure https when I log in to make a purchase, it just seems like it would be hacked
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snowmen
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 2:34pm |
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No, I wouldn't. HTTPS secures the data transmission and of course the store could still be fraudulent or not reputable so you need to check both.
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Just4Qyx
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 2:40pm |
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lol
funny question. The way you've prefaced the question, isn't it a no-brainer for someone to say "no" to entering secure data (ie. credit card #) over a non-secured connection?it's like saying, "would you do this if you knew you'd be robbed?". ![]() Perhaps the question can be asked in a less biased manner, esp. if it's for a research paper... just a thought ![]() |
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Boneseh
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 2:40pm |
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Thanks for the responses thus far guys. As for people who still don't understand what HTTPS is, most banks use it when you connect to insure your information is secure. It does cost companies in many cases to be secure, to be signed by a company such as verisign which is known to be trusted. However, it can be done for free using options such as OpenSSL. |
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getkong
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 4:57pm |
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definitely wouldn't. that's just asking to get jacked.
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LittleShooey
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 5:19pm |
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Only if the payment page had a link to paypal, which is a guaranteed secure connection.
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trixter2004
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 8:14pm |
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I've made payments to non-secure websites before, but they were websites that I "knew" were safe, and by that, I mean that someone else I knew (friends, family) have used the site before safely.
As others have said, if it seems like a scam or a "too good to be true" offer then I wouldn't buy from them; otherwise, I don't see why not. If they have something I want, I'll buy it. Though it's still nice to have the actual payment go through a 3rd party like Paypal.
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Boneseh
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 8:17pm |
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Boogeyman24
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i would say no, but i know i have in the past. some sites just don't have the https that i've seen, i want to say even sierra back in the day had you check out with a http? (and if i'm wrong save your breath on the hating)
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 10:13pm |
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yes, l have a platinum card, so its covered either way but also depends which site it belongs to
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Boneseh
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 10:49pm |
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Thanks guys, we're at 24 responses; I'm hoping for 50. :D
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 11:15pm |
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If it uses Paypal i.e. and there's no need to fill-in personal info with credit cards data, i would.
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Hittnthebz
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Posted: Apr/26/2011 at 11:17pm |
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One more vote for no.
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Attrox
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Https is pretty much the standard to secure web/form transmission on the internet. Would you buy from a company that does not even care about securing the transmission of your credit card data when it is the de facto of pretty much any e-commerce website that worth your time out there?
Https does not mean your data/privacy is secure once the website/company obtain this information. It only secures the data transmission from your computer to the website payment processor or database. This includes your login/password information (eg: Paypal Login), not just your Credit Card purchase. Once the company you purchase from has your information, they might sell your information or even use it for fraud. According to international standard the credit card information should not be stored in the company database or at the very least it has to be encrypted. So if they don't even bother to protect data transmission from your computer to their database, imagine how secure they treat the records that they obtain? So in short, I will never ever buy from a company that does not treat security so important.
If you accept Paypal payment, you have to encrypt (https) the login/password information as well or you run a risk of someone sniffing this info.
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Posted: Apr/27/2011 at 1:05am |
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No, I would not use my credit card to purchase from a non-https site.
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Definitely not.
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Posted: Apr/27/2011 at 8:32am |
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depending on which site it is
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Boneseh
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Posted: Apr/27/2011 at 3:29pm |
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As Attrox mentioned, if you're using Paypal, you're using HTTPS.
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No / one of the first things to check - same goes for online email
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i'd say depends.... what type of masters program needs these types of quesitons?
most times i use paypal.. but like some other people who mentioned it, my credit card also has insurance. |
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Posted: Apr/28/2011 at 10:28am |
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i would.
I don't care if my credit card loses money. I never use banking information online. even with paypal. It's too easy for them to withdraw money from your account. With credit cards, they take the risk. you are safe. like in the case of Sony. if the thief got my credit card info, I wouldn't care. Sony would care cause the credit card company might sue them. but it makes no difference to me. And they will get me address... well that's public info anyway.
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NO WAY only buy from trusted sites with secure connections.
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It depends....
Most products, I would buy from scure sites only....
BUt if there was something I really wanted from a non-secure site and that's the only place to get it, I would buy it.
If anything happens and someone goes on a shopping spree with my CC, I'll just call up the CC company and get refunded and get a new card.
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Boneseh
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Posted: Apr/28/2011 at 6:10pm |
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Finished the paper, it's due at 11:59 tonight. Thank you everyone for your responses!
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