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    Posted: May/02/2011 at 1:12pm
OK. Search on these forums suck. I actually have better luck finding stuff doing a google site search with "site:www.trusnow.com" at the end of my search then using the actual search here.

Anyway, I found a couple mentions of extruded but not any specifics, so here goes.

I know factory wax sux. My sintered board with just a rub on wax was way better then the first run with the factory was. It's now got a hot wax coat on it till next season.

My park board shold be here this week. It's got an extruded base. How ofter should I do a hot wax on that? It won't get ridden as much, but the thing that concerns me the most is I've heard that some boards with die cut graphics actually had the graphic pealing off after a hot wax. Any truth to this?

I'm planning on waxing my all mountain (sintered base) every other outing and my park board (extruded base) twice a season. Is that good enough?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/02/2011 at 1:40pm
When you wax is up to you really, if you feel like its running a bit slow, throw some wax on it, but you don't have to have a set schedule.

And as far as die cuts coming out during a hot wax is pretty crazy, never heard of anything like that happening.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/02/2011 at 1:44pm
Wax extruded just as much if not more than sintered. I don't know about the peeling, unless someone was melting their base by going way too hot, those boards were not well made.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/02/2011 at 9:50pm
it was on reviews of the burton blunt, which is what the siera stunt is based on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/02/2011 at 10:06pm
Never had my new board with an extruded base peel.
There are a lot of factors with waxing.
snow conditions, how long you ride etc.

My friend waxes his sintered base every three times, and that's fr socal snow.
I think you might need to wax a bit more often than your estimated amount for your extruded base.

Just try to pay attention to how fast your gliding and if you're ok with it,
most importantly don't forget to have fun.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/02/2011 at 11:15pm
why not hot wax every 3-5 times out but roll on wax every time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/02/2011 at 11:15pm
Waxing is a lot up to you. One of my friends he waxes be his board once or twice a year and usually goes twice a week on a burton custom. I ride my SS RC 3-6 and wax it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/02/2011 at 11:26pm

I live in South Carolina and the NC Mountains, East Coast in general) are very rough on bases due to to the icy conditions.  I wax about every 4 runs but touch up my edges after every session.  Here the cord can be like sand paper! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/02/2011 at 11:43pm
I hot wax both often have trouble waxing the extruded boards the wax doesn't stick as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/03/2011 at 4:42am
Sintered will hold the wax better so wax the extruded more often. If the base starts to look a little white, especially along the edges that's when to give it a wax.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/03/2011 at 5:21am
I wax all my own boards and all my decks are sintered other than my wifes board which is extruded. I've waxed a few extruded base decks but mostly sintered boards. For me, it's always seemed like the sintered bases hold wax much better than the extruded bases. I wax both types of bases the same way (hot wax w/ iron) and I've always wondered if there was a different technice. To the OP, I too just bought a Sierra Stunt 155 last week and I was wondering the exact same thing you asked. Thanks for creating a thread about it cause I couldn't find much on this topic either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/03/2011 at 6:23am
Waxing either kind of board is the same. melt it on, even it out, scrape it off. Sintered is a harder base so it will hold more wax.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/03/2011 at 6:25am
If you read the waxing bible posted here. 1st post in the thread. (should be stickied in a new thread all about waxing IMO)

http://www.trusnow.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11923

You'll have a pretty good idea of what waxing is all about. 90% of it is for racers and tech's so just get the cheapest all around wax you can get your hands on and you should be good.

The difference between Sintered (60waxable/40solid) and Extruded (40waxable/60solid) is marginal unless you're a racer once again or really beat up your board hard in the park. But since you got a specific board for each purpose, you gotta wax them as you like.

It's all preference. How fast you like to go. I look at how much wax wear is on the base to decide if it needs a waxing. Usually when the sides of the base near the toe/heel edge turns a lighter shade means all the wax have worn off and needs a hot wax in that region, the center of the board never really faded for me at all throughout the season, it's always the 2 inches next to the toe/heel edge where most of the friction from riding that wears out the wax. (15days this year)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/03/2011 at 7:03am
Originally posted by gamelessx25

If you read the waxing bible posted here. 1st post in the thread. (should be stickied in a new thread all about waxing IMO)

http://www.trusnow.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11923

You'll have a pretty good idea of what waxing is all about. 90% of it is for racers and tech's so just get the cheapest all around wax you can get your hands on and you should be good.

The difference between Sintered (60waxable/40solid) and Extruded (40waxable/60solid) is marginal unless you're a racer once again or really beat up your board hard in the park. But since you got a specific board for each purpose, you gotta wax them as you like.

It's all preference. How fast you like to go. I look at how much wax wear is on the base to decide if it needs a waxing. Usually when the sides of the base near the toe/heel edge turns a lighter shade means all the wax have worn off and needs a hot wax in that region, the center of the board never really faded for me at all throughout the season, it's always the 2 inches next to the toe/heel edge where most of the friction from riding that wears out the wax. (15days this year)

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^^^ I totally agree! Unless you're a competitive racer, the differences in wax would be unnoticeable. Some people will say they can really feel improvements in more expensive waxes but unless they've got sponsors all over their gear, I don't believe it. Also, don't base your board waxing on a routine schedule. Some days will do more wear on your board than others, depending on conditions. Just use your eyes and feel the surface as well. Dried out bases tend to be sticky when riding as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/03/2011 at 7:03am
Awesome! Very helpful. Thanks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/03/2011 at 8:01am
Extruded bases don't hold wax at all, you basically coat the wax on, nothing is actually absorbed into the base like it is in sintered bases, so wax every other day or so you're on the hill.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/03/2011 at 8:31am
Waxing every second time you head to the hill is overkill...sorry bud, but you're not that good yet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/03/2011 at 8:32am
Alkasquawlik, definitely good info to know. It makes sense cause everytime I wax an extruded base, it seems like little to no wax is absorbed in the base. I thought I was going crazy or doing something wrong, but I guess not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/03/2011 at 9:33am
Sintered bases require regular waxing, or the base can get damaged by oxidation, which would cause it to lose it's magic wax-absorbing capabilities.  Extruded bases don't hold wax very much at all to begin with, so if you're a no-maintenance kind of person , that might be the way to go.

Here in the PNW where we a lot of wet slushy stuff, a waxed + sintered board is nice for avoiding having to skate/hike on long flat trails.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/03/2011 at 10:14am
sinister is suppose to hold the wax alot better compared to extruded so waxing your park baord more is ideal. l think every other time is babying your sinster too much but wth up to you right. and if the top sheet gets damaged from waxing, its a pretty crappy top sheet and would avoid it if thats the case
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/03/2011 at 10:24am

Jeez snowboards with sinister bases sound scary haha.

Keep an eye on your base and wax as needed. You might want to check out the video of sintered v. extruded bases to get a better understanding of what you're dealing with.
 
Unless you race or travel to all places with different conditions, find a cheap all temp wax and do your thing.  After some practice you'll start to get a feel of how much wax your board actually needs.
 
Less wax dripped on = less time scraping = less cleanup = less money wasted on wax.
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Best one I could find throwing in a youtube search. There's one I like more but it's inundated with a ton of "how to" vids now to find =(
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/03/2011 at 4:09pm
Don't hate me, but if extruded base's don't hold wax, why wax them at all?
I'm thinking I may never wax it, since I actually wanna go slow on my park board...at least until I get rails down. But my all mountain board will get waxed often!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/03/2011 at 4:13pm
if you wax every time you go up, it shouldn't matter. some say extruded are easier to repair than sintered but i dont really do rails so i cant tell ya
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/04/2011 at 5:47am
That's why I got the park deck to begin with. I hit a couple trees with my all mountain and gashed up the base pretty bad. I can't even imagine what a bunch of rails would do to soft a soft base. So I decided to get one I could beat up and not worry about so figured an extruded base would be easier to maintain.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/04/2011 at 6:14am
well as far as how often to wax it. depends what u are hitting, how good you are, and what company the board is made by. my burton i will wax about 2 times a season depending on if i ding it up bad on something. as for my technine board thing is a champ i only did it once. i have actually heard that there boards are known for how well they hold up not being waxed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/08/2011 at 11:04am
Can you mix and match different kinds of wax to get a better feel?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/08/2011 at 11:19am
Originally posted by MrMeaty

That's why I got the park deck to begin with. I hit a couple trees with my all mountain and gashed up the base pretty bad. I can't even imagine what a bunch of rails would do to soft a soft base. So I decided to get one I could beat up and not worry about so figured an extruded base would be easier to maintain.



Care to explain to be how jibing rails is going to gouge your base? They are either square, rectangular, or round, and do not have any sort of sharp edges. A tree or stump is not smooth and can be sharp. The only way you get get a "gouge" in the park is if  there is a screw head sticking out of a box.
In the last 2 seasons i've rode over a 300 days and have never damaged a base on a rail or box.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/08/2011 at 11:24am
Good point. This is my first season riding and have yet to hot any boxes so I don't know yet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/08/2011 at 11:53am
Scuddera, not trying to be an a$$, but what you said makes absolutely no sense and it doesn't sound like you have too much knowledge regarding waxing. When to wax your board is not based on your skill level and how good you are or what "brand" of board you ride, it has to do with the base (like the OP posted sintered or extruded) as well the type of conditions you ride. Yes, some bases are better and faster than others, but I'm not sure why you would want to purposely ride a board with no wax because you heard Technine decks ride very well without wax. Like I said, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but that was horrible advice/ info.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/08/2011 at 11:54am
everyone saying you need to wax an extruded base MORE because they don't hold wax has it backwards. you don't have to wax.  the material slides on snow well as it is.. the point is to not have to wax.

a sintered base holds wax because of it's structure... on a microscopic level, there are tons of valleys and nooks and crannies for the wax to fill in, but extruded bases don't have that structure so your wax is essentially sitting on the surface.... but the idea is not to ride ON wax, it's to ride on the base as the wax leaks out... but there is no "leaking" with an extruded base so you really aren't doing much.

i wax my extruded boards maybe once or twice a season just to make them look fresh but i can't really recall a change in performance i guess.  sintered, though.. you gotta wax it.  i've ridden a board that was totally dry and it was like sandpaper on snow.  horrible.  hotwaxed it and it was the fastest board i've ever had i think (07 malolo).

as far as when to wax, i do it every 4 or so times i ride a board, but mainly i just pay attention to the base.  if it's looking dry or like it's about to be too dry for my liking, i wax.  or if the conditions have changed enough or are "extreme"enough in one direction for me to want to change the type of wax, then i'll wax with the appropriate stuff for that day.
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I'm looking at my 2 decks now and am surprised at how different the 2 bases really are. Can't wait to try out the new deck and I'm hoping I get one more run in this season...
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OH...and I know a lot of guys have been complaining about how these forums have turn into a bunch of lame point hoarders trying to get free stuff, but the responses I've gotten to this thread have been AWESOME! You guys rock, and I really appreciate you helping me out.

Hopefully I get good enough to tell when my board needs waxing just by look and feel. It seems like that's the way to go.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/08/2011 at 2:36pm
Originally posted by spenser

everyone saying you need to wax an extruded base MORE because they don't hold wax has it backwards. you don't have to wax.  the material slides on snow well as it is.. the point is to not have to wax.

a sintered base holds wax because of it's structure... on a microscopic level, there are tons of valleys and nooks and crannies for the wax to fill in, but extruded bases don't have that structure so your wax is essentially sitting on the surface.... but the idea is not to ride ON wax, it's to ride on the base as the wax leaks out... but there is no "leaking" with an extruded base so you really aren't doing much.

i wax my extruded boards maybe once or twice a season just to make them look fresh but i can't really recall a change in performance i guess.  sintered, though.. you gotta wax it.  i've ridden a board that was totally dry and it was like sandpaper on snow.  horrible.  hotwaxed it and it was the fastest board i've ever had i think (07 malolo).

as far as when to wax, i do it every 4 or so times i ride a board, but mainly i just pay attention to the base.  if it's looking dry or like it's about to be too dry for my liking, i wax.  or if the conditions have changed enough or are "extreme"enough in one direction for me to want to change the type of wax, then i'll wax with the appropriate stuff for that day.


oh crappy really? l thought from reading some online forum that sinter base are more expensive than extruded because of the way its created but l thought that because sinster retains the wax better that there would be less maintaince required (waxing mainly). 1 think if you can help me out. when you ptex a base, they say sinster is harder to repair? why is that considering they are the same material supposively, just different construction? how would you repair it differently?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/08/2011 at 2:48pm
it's all plastic.. ptex.. but sintered bases are made with ptex of a higher density, ie it's harder, so it takes a harder material to scratch it. the name (sintered/extruded) refers to the way it's made, really.  sintering is when you make a powdered material into a solid by using heat and pressure, without melting it into a liquid.  extrusion is like when you make spaghetti noodles and you press it through a machine - it extrudes it out into that shape.

both start with pellets of ptex.  for a sintered base they grind the pellets into a fine powder and then press it into the shape with heat, and that's the reason it leaves the structure in the base which allows it to hold wax.  with a sintered base you get a harder base (more impact resistant/etc) that can potentially excel in any condition because you have the ability to wax it to each specific condition.  an extruded base starts with pellets that aren't as high a density as pellets for a sintered base, but it's not like they're "soft" materials.  anyway, they get melted into a liquid and then extruded through a machine into their shape.. they come out smooth, so no real structure which is why they don't really hold wax.  the point is to be an easy riding base that doesn't require waxing, and because of the softer material it's easier to repair.. i think that's just because a ptex stick adheres to the slightly less dense material better than the more dense material of a sintered base.  it's just easier, but at the same time not quite as resistant to scratching and things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/08/2011 at 2:54pm
hmm...I guess what I read was something like that. But then why would more park decks come with extruded bases instead of sintered? Just because they are easier/cheaper to repair? Cause as Scorer said, rails and boxes are flat. You'd get more damage off trees and stuff that have uneven sliding surfaces. But if extruded are softer, then they are more likely to get damaged off jibs then sintered. right?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/08/2011 at 3:06pm
there are tons of "park" boards with either base.  i think it's nearly impossible to say there's more of one of them on "park" boards.  if anything i would say more twin shaped freestyle decks have sintered bases.  usually it's all about price, like if it's a high end board it gets a sintered base, and lower end gets extruded.  not a 100% rule but it seems to be the basic rule.

mainly i think you see extruded on boards that are aimed more at beginners who aren't getting a high end setup yet and don't know the ropes as well as someone who has been riding for years who tunes their gear and everything.. they buy a basic board that works for their learning process and the extruded base makes it easier on them, since they don't have to maintain it much.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/08/2011 at 6:06pm
Hmmm...well, I guess my reason's for getting an extruded base were wrong. But my reason's for getting a soft rocker board to compliment my all mountain board still stand! LOL!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/08/2011 at 6:14pm
i got a sierrascope with the extruded base and i waxed it before i went out on the mountain. So every weekend but it all depends if you get lazy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/08/2011 at 6:51pm
I have the reverse crew...it seems to look dried out every two times I go. Anyone has this issue, or am I just riding too hard on the edges.
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sierrascope has a sintered base. so don't confuse the others.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/08/2011 at 7:47pm
Originally posted by spenser

there are tons of "park" boards with either base.  i think it's nearly impossible to say there's more of one of them on "park" boards.  if anything i would say more twin shaped freestyle decks have sintered bases.  usually it's all about price, like if it's a high end board it gets a sintered base, and lower end gets extruded.  not a 100% rule but it seems to be the basic rule.

mainly i think you see extruded on boards that are aimed more at beginners who aren't getting a high end setup yet and don't know the ropes as well as someone who has been riding for years who tunes their gear and everything.. they buy a basic board that works for their learning process and the extruded base makes it easier on them, since they don't have to maintain it much.


I've actually been looking for a soft park board with a sintered base and can't find one. I have a 2011 ride kink and I love it, but I wish it had a sintered base. I have noticed a considerable difference in speed between my Burton Twin (Sintered and Cambered) and my Ride Kink (extruded, zero camber). Perhaps it has more to do with the stiffness than the base, I'm not sure. But I really would like to try a soft board like the kink or stairmaster, but with a sintered base. The stairmaster etreme's flex is higher (on the chart anyway) when compared to the regular stairmaster, and the ride DH2 is stiffer as well. Are there any boards that are soft like a stairmaster or kink that have a sintered base?

As far as waxing extruded bases: I waxed my 2011 ride kink twice for the four months I rode it. I looked at my board after taking one run off a fresh wax and the edges were already dry with white streaks, so after that I gave up on waxing it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/08/2011 at 8:43pm
signal park or park rocker, they both as soft, if not softer than stairmaster depends on the version you pick. Better yet they both has sintered base.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/09/2011 at 4:55am
The GNU Park Pickle and I think all the current boards in Yes' lineup except the Optimistic are all soft and all have sintered bases.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/09/2011 at 5:14am
ive noteiced my reverse crew eats wax also
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/09/2011 at 5:15am
Originally posted by Peekaboo

I have the reverse crew...it seems to look dried out every two times I go. Anyone has this issue, or am I just riding too hard on the edges.
 
you might just be riding the edges really hard. i have a RC and it doesn't dry out for 4-5 days on the slopes.
 
also to address the extruded vs sintered, i waxed a friend's board that had an extruded base and after 1 day the sides started drying out significantly. the nature of the extruded base makes sustaining wax much more difficult
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/09/2011 at 7:33am
l dont think this is a single issue for the rc. l have a ride manic and its the same thing. l ride heel side more so that side is significantly more dried/white.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/09/2011 at 8:04am
Well then that begs the question. If an extruded base won't hold wax, why wax it at all?

The board I was riding at the beginning of the season was a 9 year old rental so I'm assuming it had an extruded base. Not sure cause I couldn't tell, but it was super slow. I waxed it with some rub on and it was way better for a few weeks. I don't know if it was EVER waxed before then. But it seems to me that even though extruded bases don't hold and leak out wax the way sintered bases do, they still benefit from an occasional wax.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/09/2011 at 12:14pm
Just wax when your edges get cloudy. This seems to happen more often with my boards that have extruded bases... or in icy conditions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/09/2011 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by MrMeaty

The GNU Park Pickle and I think all the current boards in Yes' lineup except the Optimistic are all soft and all have sintered bases.
the only "softer" board in the yes line is MAYBE the typo but only if you ride it in a smaller size or you're too heavy for it.  otherwise it's a medium flex in general.  then the GDOH and others are a bit on the stiffer side.  the basic is also a solid medium flex, and cambered.  the optimistic is the same flex as the GDOH, the only difference is that the nose kick is a hair longer than the tail kick.
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