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    Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 10:58am
I guess it really doesn't matter that much, but I prefer to know what I'm doing. I've looked it up on the internet, asked friends, and seen it in different threads in this forum; and a lot of the info is conflicting. I ride regular and like doing spins. I've always thought that when I spin clockwise, tail moves downhill towards skiiers left and nose moves uphill towards skiiers right; that it's called a backside 180. However, others have told me that I'm doing a frontside 180. It may be a silly noobish question, but I don't have TV so I don't watch a lot of snowboarding with commentary. If anyone can clear this up I'd appreciate it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 11:01am
I feel you man i get confused too haha
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 11:44am
What you described (left-foot-forward, clockwise) would be a Backside spin.  Since your back faces downhill first.
 
For goofy rider (right-foot forward), spinning counter-clockwise is a Backside spin.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 11:45am
Now, if you want to get super confusing and talk about Frontside and Backside boardslides, let the mayhem begin!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 11:58am
What you have described is correct - it's backside 180.

The confusion probably came from the street-style rails. Frontside boardslide in rails does NOT mean that your front body faces the downhill when sliding. It's named frontside boardslide because you are approaching the rail from the sideways with your front body facing towards the rail.  This naming system came from skateboarding.

Backside boardslide is opposite (obviously).

check out  0:55 sec of this vid. Might get a better idea:  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXoZU1x5VC4&list=UUX9chJwW7gL93LIcC3xP2uQ&index=10&feature=plcp
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 12:05pm
Pretty simple concept. Once you've done the first 90 degrees of whatever size spin you are doing, if you're looking down the mountain, you would be spinning frontside, and if you spun your first 90 and your back is toward the bottom, you are spinning backside. I've heard people announce rail tricks wrong because they think that it has to do with what side you approach a feature from, but it doesn't as far as I know. So if you're riding reg and you approach the rail from the rails left side and you spin clockwise, you are doing a backside boardslide, because your back is facing downhill,and has nothing to do with the fact the rail was in front of you as you approached. I think I got that right lol
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 12:07pm
apparently endeaveri types faster than me and has already proven me wrong. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 12:08pm
it is pretty simple, for 180/360/540, when you do your first 180, did your back ever face down hill? if no then front side, if yes= then backside
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 12:13pm
the spins are much less confusing than the slides, but thanks to endeaveri i might actually know what's what now. maybe.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 12:39pm
Thank you all for your info, especially Endeaveri, Monteno1, and Jenni for the cliff notes version. It's also nice to know that I wasn't the only one who wasn't sure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 2:48pm
A quick wiki or "qwiki" just to confirm says this:

In snowboarding, frontside and backside have the same meanings as in skateboarding. When turning, backside is analogous to a toeside turn, and frontside is analogous to a heelside turn.

and this under the heading "Skating"

For grinds, Frontside means that the skater is facing the rail/ledge during the approach. A Backside grind means that the skater is facing away from the rail/ledge during the approach.


You learn something new every day. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 4:05pm
you can always think of it, is if the turn is blind then its a backside, ie your back leads the turn. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 4:37pm
I think it's pretty easy to understand.  If your turning your pack to point down the hill it's backside.  If you open up to your front down the hill, it's frontside.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 4:40pm
And it's actually way harder to understand on a skateboard because you can't apply the same logic when you start popping off the nose of the board or popping off the tail when going switch.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by not-ewrx

And it's actually way harder to understand on a skateboard because you can't apply the same logic when you start popping off the nose of the board or popping off the tail when going switch.  
nollies are the same, a nollie is just how you start a trick but the names are otherwise the same.  fakie ollies.. well fakie is how an entire trick is done.  you basically have to play the trick in your head as if you're riding forward and then judge the FS/BS.  so a fakie frontside spin starts out with a blind 180, instead of facing forward, because if you did the exact same motion riding forward it would be frontside.. and then this doesn't apply to spins, but another example is a fakie 5-0... which looks like a fakie ollie to switch nosegrind.  if you did the same motion forward, it would be a regular ollie to 5-0.  anyway, fakie spins are the only variation to the FS/BS rule, it's just the opposite, but there's a reason.

this has been a big discussion/debate as long as i've been in boardsports..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 4:57pm
Originally posted by spenser

Originally posted by not-ewrx

And it's actually way harder to understand on a skateboard because you can't apply the same logic when you start popping off the nose of the board or popping off the tail when going switch.  
nollies are the same, a nollie is just how you start a trick but the names are otherwise the same.  fakie ollies.. well fakie is how an entire trick is done.  you basically have to play the trick in your head as if you're riding forward and then judge the FS/BS.  so a fakie frontside spin starts out with a blind 180, instead of facing forward, because if you did the exact same motion riding forward it would be frontside.. and then this doesn't apply to spins, but another example is a fakie 5-0... which looks like a fakie ollie to switch nosegrind.  if you did the same motion forward, it would be a regular ollie to 5-0.  anyway, fakie spins are the only variation to the FS/BS rule, it's just the opposite, but there's a reason.

this has been a big discussion/debate as long as i've been in boardsports..

I just said it was harder to understand.  And you proved me right
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 5:01pm
i was just commenting off the nollie thing since that doesn't change anything, and then i went into my usual talk-too-much tangent haha.

it comes out confusing but once you understand it it's all clear.  hard to write it out sometimes..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/10/2012 at 5:44pm
Are you riding switch or regular?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/11/2012 at 11:16am
great discussion, when i was playing tony hawk on the playstation back in the day i thought i had learned all these proper terms for FS/BS, then i start snowboarding and watching videos and stuff and it all got jumbled. glad this cleared things up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/12/2012 at 4:10am
Frontside is when you can see when you are going to land and backside is where the landing is blind.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/12/2012 at 4:49am
Originally posted by scuba32steve

Frontside is when you can see when you are going to land and backside is where the landing is blind.


So you are either landing heelside or toeside?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/12/2012 at 1:38pm
The confusion in all of this frontside/backside talk, is because it is different for jumps and jibs. Jibs are determined by how you approach the feature while jumps are determined by the direction you spin. It gets even more confusing when you start talking about non-skatestyle straight on features, and I don't even want to get into that.
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