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Hello,

i started snowboarding last season. i bought a libtech banana experimental and used it about 5 to 6 times last season. the thing is that at high speed down the hill, the snowboard is a little bit unstable. i was wondering if the unstability come from the fact i am a beginner or because of the board which is more for freestyle riders.

should i buy a new board? if so, any suggestion. i was thinking about buying a freerider board, but all i read is that it's for powder and stiff. so i was wondering if it will be good to go the hill?

any suggestion of which board i should buy?

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  Quote thisisjoebro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/06/2012 at 5:24pm
Why don't you demo some boards when possible. Try them out, find what you like them buy a board. boards are expensive. But i guess it doesn't matter if you got money to blow.


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Assuming the board is the right size for your weight... Instability is you im afraid. :) Dont worry dude, its just part of the ride. Stick with it and in a couple of seasons you'll be more than happy you didnt sell the board. 

It takes time to read the terrain accurately and quickly. It also takes time for you to genuinely relax your body to the point that the unexpected doesnt catch you out so easily. And part of that involves the occasional spanking because you were going too fast, or riding overly difficult terrain (too choppy, too steep, or too fast), or riding too stiff, or not gauging your line and preempting changes. Youre likely going to fall. Youre going to feel off balance And youre going to get caught out. Its just part of learning to control the board. 

You might even just have your bindings set up in an uncomfortable way. I know i did in my first season. 

Really think less about the board at the minute and more about your fundamentals. Get your balance under control and learn to feel comfortable on your edge. Youve probably just started, or are just about to start carving. Really once you can carve a bit youll see your stability issues drop off. Not totally. But itll make a huge difference to your ability to deal with the terrain and your feeling of control over the board. 
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  Quote ediway Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2012 at 6:19am
well, i took 2 hours of private lessons and only the first hour seemed to be worthy. The second and 3th one was almost useless.

After the first lesson, i took 2 days to train the basic (c turn). then i started to learn carving to get more speed (which was alright on green pist) but and on steeper slope i tend to put to much weight on my back foot which cause me to "drift" and slow down instead of having a nice curve.

so on the third day, i took a second hour lesson. i asked the instructor to teach me how to carve. And for the first run, he took me to the "bunny hill" (beginner), then seeing i was doing alright carving, he took me to another pist. The slope was pretty steep, and there were nobody on that slope, so there were a lot of snow (kind of tick layer of "fake snow"), which made it even harder to turn. all the guy did was going down half way then stop (he couldn't even me anymore), then it was my turn. Because the slope was so steep and the layer of snow so tick i couldn't even make any proper turn. It was only at the end of the session that i went to check on the "trailer map" and saw that he took me to a black pist. Would he have taken me to a blue pist, i would have understood, but a black pist??? come on. it didn't seem that i learned anything.

after that i trained by myself and i am doing ok on blue trail (still can't carve on the black diamond slope, it's going to fast and i keep "drifting or falling"). Usually when going down, i never really go "straight", i always try to carve (so i am always using the edge of the board), but in narrow path, or at the bottom of the hill, i kind of have my board straight (and it is not necessarly always at high speed), and in this straight position when i switch from hill edge to toe edge, sometime for a few seconds my board lays flat and it's at those moments that i feel the unstability. if i don't pay attention it will follow by my "ass" on the ground. Each time that i have to stay straight i feel anxious because of that.

So i thought that if i get a "flatter" board (without the banana shape), it will be more stable.

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  Quote krisshono Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2012 at 6:30am
Instability shouldn't be a problem with the board, especially with the magna traction that board has. But kudos to you for getting a wicked board right away as a beginner I think you should just focus on getting in as much slope time as possible, you'll get more comfortable on it and that's a great board to progress on
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  Quote ediway Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2012 at 6:32am
* forgot the "see"----> he couldn't even see me anymore.


for people who wonder , which i am sure "nobody" :P ,it seemed that i didn't learn anything on my first lesson because there again i asked the instructor to help me improve my carving, and all he did was saying: "you are doing alright, you are doing good". He didn't say anything that i already knew (either from the previous instructor or from beginner video on youtube). All i did was following him around for 1 hour on green and blue slope. He really didn't say much.

so i dont' think i will take any other lesson until i am ready to try to do some jumpings.
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  Quote ediway Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2012 at 6:38am
by the way,

i am 5.6, 120 lbs, my baord is a banana btx narrow 149 cm. i dind't consult anybody when buying my board. i didn't know anything about snowboarding (still don't know much). i just read some review, and checked on some "engine search" that give you the size of the board you should get depending on your weight and size.

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  Quote HAVEN2135 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2012 at 6:42am
Originally posted by thisisjoebro

Why don't you demo some boards when possible. Try them out, find what you like them buy a board. boards are expensive. But i guess it doesn't matter if you got money to blow.




I agree try some boards at demo days, go talk to people at your local shop and they will be able to help make sure you are on the right board.  Also the lack of stability will go away as you improve.
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  Quote ediway Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2012 at 6:43am
Also,

tks for the comments. Everybody tell me to stick with my board. Since i am just a beginner and still learning i won't be able to appreciate the full potential of any boards. so i guess i will stick to this board for one more season and see how it turns out.
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  Quote ridethepowpow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2012 at 6:56am
Yeah, go demo a few boards, I would try out a few boards from Burton...They are really nice and they are usually considered an "all mountain board" If you don't find one that you like just stick with your board and just keep practicing! The instability is probably just because you are a beginner so just keep at it!
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  Quote ediway Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2012 at 6:56am
Trying demo seems a good idea, but the thing is that the unstability doesn't happen all the time. most of the time only when i stay in a straight position like i mentioned (i also sometime catch the edge and lay flat on the ground but it's another story :P) and since i am a novice, i wonder if i would really be able to tell the difference if i ride it only for a few hours.
If i ride it for a few days, i guess i will be able to tell, but just for one day, i wonder...

It is like playing tennis. when i started playing tennis, i asked advices on which racquet i should get. people told me to try out some and decide which i like the most. For me, it didn't seems that they were any different because i didn't know anything. it just felt almost the same.

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  Quote TâniaOliveira Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2012 at 7:55am
it always nice a new board
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  Quote gunda pickle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2012 at 8:22am
Pick up copy of go snowboarding by Neil mcbride.
You can probably get it at your local library.
It has some great drills to help you carve better.
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  Quote ediway Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2012 at 8:44am
i am wondering if reading will help me. it's like when i watch youtube video, what they say seems to make sense, and what they do seems to "easy" to do. However, in reality when you are on the slope you can't remember and think of all the advice and techniques they teach you.

Moreover, when reading it is difficult to visualize the real thing. they are talking about toe edge, heel edge, knee pushing and may use technical words, which makes it even more complicated. When I see a video, even if i don't understand all the technical words, i can see what the guy is doing which helps more.

But for sure it will not hurt to get more knowledge.
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  Quote gunda pickle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2012 at 4:05pm
Book comes with a video.
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  Quote thisisjoebro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2012 at 4:29pm
Originally posted by ediway

Trying demo seems a good idea, but the thing is that the unstability doesn't happen all the time. most of the time only when i stay in a straight position like i mentioned (i also sometime catch the edge and lay flat on the ground but it's another story :P) and since i am a novice, i wonder if i would really be able to tell the difference if i ride it only for a few hours.
If i ride it for a few days, i guess i will be able to tell, but just for one day, i wonder...

It is like playing tennis. when i started playing tennis, i asked advices on which racquet i should get. people told me to try out some and decide which i like the most. For me, it didn't seems that they were any different because i didn't know anything. it just felt almost the same.


I understand what your saying hahah. Like someone else said the instability may be because you're a novice. 
You have a good board. I haven't ridden it but lib tech make hight end snowboards. 

You could just stick to your snowboard this season and improve and become more comfortable riding. Then you will have more experience to make the decision.

So do want to get into the freestyle side of snowboarding? Or not at all?
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  Quote julius77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/07/2012 at 5:20pm
Originally posted by ediway

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tks for the comments. Everybody tell me to stick with my board. Since i am just a beginner and still learning i won't be able to appreciate the full potential of any boards. so i guess i will stick to this board for one more season and see how it turns out.
The squirreliness you're describing is normal when riding flat on base. It gets easier with more practice. You've got a sweet board, and it's good for your height/weight. Try to get as much riding time as possible on your board this season, and progression will happen naturally. With that growth, you'll likely feel less sketchy on the flat and narrows.
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  Quote Alkasquawlik Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/08/2012 at 9:18am
Ya, long story short, and like everyone has told you.

It's your riding ability, not the board.

Get better and it won't feel unstable anymore.
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  Quote ediway Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/08/2012 at 10:12am
Originally posted by Alkasquawlik

Ya, long story short, and like everyone has told you.
It's your riding ability, not the board.
Get better and it won't feel unstable anymore.


yep, i am guessing that after i become more proficient with my riding, i try some jumping, rail... guess it won't be for another season. T_T

It ll be easier if i knew some peeps that are good at those things so they can teach me a little bit, but the peeps that i use to hang out with kind of scared of snowboarding. they went once and after a few fall they are scare to try again. So most of the time i have to go by myself just to improve. And also it's not that cheap, so they don't want to spend much on it (50 box just for the lift without renting). they are more like into bar, and clubbing. too bad for me.

guess i should take a snowboard class this spring, but i m wondering if peeps that register for snowboard class are all good or if there are also biginner (i m talking about snowboard class in college).


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  Quote Angry Midget Yo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/08/2012 at 10:15am
The size of the board is okay, you're still a beginner so that's why you feel it's unstable.  After you gain more experience, your worry will go away and you won't feel the instability as much.  
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  Quote Skio25 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/08/2012 at 10:20am
Originally posted by ediway

Originally posted by Alkasquawlik

Ya, long story short, and like everyone has told you.
It's your riding ability, not the board.
Get better and it won't feel unstable anymore.


yep, i am guessing that after i become more proficient with my riding, i try some jumping, rail... guess it won't be for another season. T_T

It ll be easier if i knew some peeps that are good at those things so they can teach me a little bit, but the peeps that i use to hang out with kind of scared of snowboarding. they went once and after a few fall they are scare to try again. So most of the time i have to go by myself just to improve. And also it's not that cheap, so they don't want to spend much on it (50 box just for the lift without renting). they are more like into bar, and clubbing. too bad for me.

guess i should take a snowboard class this spring, but i m wondering if peeps that register for snowboard class are all good or if there are also biginner (i m talking about snowboard class in college).




He said it best. As far as your bad luck with instructors have been, some of them are there for a paycheck (which isn't much by the way). But keep trying lessons, and when you get an instructor who actually helps you out a bunch, then just request them the next time you go so you'll be with the same person and they'll know where you're at and what you need to improve on.

Also what college do you go to? Mine had a snowboard class as well.
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  Quote ctoma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/08/2012 at 10:24am
^ I'm wondering which college the OP attends, too, because it appears the English/Language Arts program isn't very strong.
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^ I'm wondering which college the OP attends, too, because it appears the English/Language Arts program isn't very strong.



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If you still like the flex of rocker with stability, your best beat is to go with a hybrid board. there are lots of boards to look at. any of the Flying V's from Burton, FK's from Capita, Combo platter from Forum, and Never Summer's Evo's are also hybrids.
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Whatever you do, don't expect you'll win one on here. I've been trying for years with no luck.  My feeling though is that you shouldn't buy one until you've reached the intermediate runs.
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For people who asked which university i am going to, it is the university of minessota.
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i would buy a used board (new to you) until you are more intermediate and then buy a brand new board.
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Wait until you get better before you get a new board.  At some point you'll figure out what type of riding you're going to do most and you'll want to focus on a board for that style.  Eventually though you might just be straight out so addicted you have various boards for various conditions and styles.

In the meantime a Lib Tech is a pretty nice first board.  Mine was a Liquid (for a season) then a House board which I used for like 4 seasons (didn't ride enough then).  I learned basic jibbing and jumping on it until I knew what I really needed in a board. 
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Wait until you get better before you get a new board.  At some point you'll figure out what type of riding you're going to do most and you'll want to focus on a board for that style.  Eventually though you might just be straight out so addicted you have various boards for various conditions and styles.


In the meantime a Lib Tech is a pretty nice first board.  Mine was a Liquid (for a season) then a House board which I used for like 4 seasons (didn't ride enough then).  I learned basic jibbing and jumping on it until I knew what I really needed in a board. 


I agree with snowj720. First you should practice and ride on different terrain to see whether you're more of a park person or a slope person. Then you could buy a snowboard that is better for park or vice versa :)
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