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    Posted: Nov/26/2012 at 7:13am
Hey guys i just bought myself a sick Burton shell but i have always worn a jacket with insulation. What are some tips on what to wear underneath a shell. I have a fleece under armor.. what else?

any savvy shoppers that know some cheap ways too?

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Layers. If you wanna go cheap go out to walmart and buy basic thermals and wear those as a baselayer. Then stick a mid layer such as a flannel, t-shirt, or hoodie over it.
 
If you wanna spend a little more cash, try merino wool baselayers or any snowboard companies base layers. Personally, I love Patagonia Capaliene and AG's ATF stuff. I don't really like the super tight compression feel of UA stuff but if thats what you like go with it.
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  Quote irish-boarder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/26/2012 at 7:30am
I wore quite a thin jacket least season, any days i knew it was going to be warm, literally an under armour, tshirt and jacket. Cold days i'd wear the same just with a thickish fleece and a face mask. And stay on the move!!
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  Quote julius77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/26/2012 at 8:07am
For layers/fleece on the cheap, try Ross or TJ Maxx. I've found some great deals on fleeces, flannels, and winter socks there. Also, wear a wicking tech base under your fleece.
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  Quote jhoang6 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/26/2012 at 8:28am
I usually go with a 3 to 4 layer system.
Starting from skin out to the shell
A base layer, I have an UA compression and don't be fooled, it does have a smell of its own after sweating in it.  Looking to get a merino wool baselayer in the future, hear nothing but good about them except the price tag...

A long sleeved thermal shirt or tee on top of ^
A fleece on top of ^ (if you get really cold u can wear a thin down layer here or one of those synthetic fills)
Lastly my shell.
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  Quote spenser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/26/2012 at 8:32am
damn, you guys dress like it's 30 below.

layering is all personal, depending how hot or cold you tend to be.  me, i run warm, so i usually would wear a single thin layer under a shell, or an expedition layer (like the ones from burton) and i'm good.  for you, you kinda just have to try out different combos.  maybe start with a thin base shirt and your main layer over that, thinner or thicker depending on your best guess of your personal needs.

the nice thing about shells is that you call the shots as far as temperature, whereas with insulated jackets, you can't get any cooler after a certain point, so on some days you may be too hot and can't do much about it.
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  Quote CoMtnRider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/26/2012 at 8:41am

You want a tip?  Stay away from plumbers wearing red and blue while wearing a shell.

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  Quote Angry Midget Yo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/26/2012 at 8:51am
UA compression isn't really that warm but not really that cold either, but then again I'm from SoCal so it doesn't exactly get cold here.
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  Quote Piranha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/26/2012 at 9:09am
for people who live in a cold climate, your core temp in winter should already be well acclimated.

basically, I have no acclimatization.  When you have to climb 7000 feet to get to snow, temps change significantly...yet, I'm still only wearing a shell with a cheap underlayer shirt and a lightweight fleece underneath. 

I got the moisture wicking shirt at k-mart (Athletech brand) for under $10.  My shell is 686 brand and it literally has no liner at all.  The few features it has are pit zips, fleece around the collar of the hood (eliminates need for separate face mask) and a powder skirt.

I know from experience CO can get extremely cold, so just bump up the fleece layer thickness and wear some sort of moisture wicking long johns/fleece under your pants (k-mart has those, too).  A nice, thick beanie goes a long way, as well.
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  Quote jhoang6 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/26/2012 at 9:20am
Originally posted by spenser

damn, you guys dress like it's 30 below.

layering is all personal, depending how hot or cold you tend to be.  me, i run warm, so i usually would wear a single thin layer under a shell, or an expedition layer (like the ones from burton) and i'm good.  for you, you kinda just have to try out different combos.  maybe start with a thin base shirt and your main layer over that, thinner or thicker depending on your best guess of your personal needs.

the nice thing about shells is that you call the shots as far as temperature, whereas with insulated jackets, you can't get any cooler after a certain point, so on some days you may be too hot and can't do much about it.
it gets to around -20C when the windchill is in effect.
If i'm wearing too much i can always peel back, that's the beauty of the layering system.

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  Quote vicente Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/28/2012 at 7:16pm
get wool base layers or layers in general still insulates if you get it wet doesn't feel cold and clammy like everything else.
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  Quote thisisjoebro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/28/2012 at 7:21pm
Originally posted by spenser

damn, you guys dress like it's 30 below.

layering is all personal, depending how hot or cold you tend to be.  me, i run warm, so i usually would wear a single thin layer under a shell, or an expedition layer (like the ones from burton) and i'm good.  for you, you kinda just have to try out different combos.  maybe start with a thin base shirt and your main layer over that, thinner or thicker depending on your best guess of your personal needs.

the nice thing about shells is that you call the shots as far as temperature, whereas with insulated jackets, you can't get any cooler after a certain point, so on some days you may be too hot and can't do much about it.

I feel ya haha. I have a jacket with some insulation and all I wear underneath is a t shirt hahah. But with my shell I usually just wear a tee and a hoodie. I usually start sweating if I wear a lot of crap. 
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  Quote AyChan87 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/28/2012 at 7:30pm
shells are a socal riders best friend, especially during the late spring days
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  Quote snowboardinrox357 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/28/2012 at 9:27pm
Ryanpmajor, I recommend wearing some thermals underneath your shell jacket or maybe some long-sleeves and a thin jacket. You could probably get some cheap thermals at Wal-Mart or Target.
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  Quote haiv143 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/29/2012 at 5:40am
I would recommend something like this, http://www.trusnow.com/Burton-Concept-Fleece-Jacket.asp
 and a Tshirt or thin sweater underneath. I've never gotten cold with my Tshirt/sweater, Fleece, Shell combo! Lots of breathe-ability and warmth!
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  Quote coolz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/29/2012 at 5:55am
shell with a softshell is what is recommended. but like otehr said, just get a fleece sweater and you'll be fine. keep in mind what the actual temp is outside, dont want to freeze away 
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  Quote JDiggidy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/29/2012 at 6:00am
Unless it dips below 10 degrees, or the wind is really ripping, i just wear a tech shirt (workout shirt) and a t-shirt under my shell.  My Burton Traction has a nice lining that helps regulate temps.  A little cooler, and i put on my Stoic Merino wool t-shirt, then a thermal if it's chilly.  If it gets down to -10 or -20, then i go all out fleece hoodie too.
 
I'd much rather be a little cooler on the chair lifts then sweating on the ride down.  If you sweat, you'll freeze later.
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  Quote Lux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/30/2012 at 4:56pm
I've always just worn a shirt and sweater underneath my jacket (almost thin enough to be called a shell). As long as I'm eating, I don't feel cold. Some days I'd fancy an extra shirt layer... those layers could really be helpful while on the lift haha.
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  Quote AJD13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/30/2012 at 5:21pm
Personally i wear and underarmor long sleeve compression, a sweatshirt, and my shell on top ussually i ride in pretty warm conditions so i shed the sweatshirt and/or the shell... layering works stay comfortable!
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  Quote smoothrider5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/03/2012 at 3:54pm
rather than spending money getting lots of cheap layers, I would rather spend that money on getting some good merino wool base layers. You can get them pretty cheap.I use Kuiu to get my stuff. Their products are really high quality but low price because they sell them at wholesale only online. Merino wool is a lot better than cheap s***t, it is usually over $100 but theirs is around $80. I use their 100% Merino wool, the soft layer against my skin and then thicker wool on top of that. I've used it in severly cold weather and it works great.
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l just use a thermal, gets me through most of my days
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  Quote Lux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/03/2012 at 4:17pm
Originally posted by smoothrider5

rather than spending money getting lots of cheap layers, I would rather spend that money on getting some good merino wool base layers. You can get them pretty cheap.I use Kuiu to get my stuff. Their products are really high quality but low price because they sell them at wholesale only online. Merino wool is a lot better than cheap s***t, it is usually over $100 but theirs is around $80. I use their 100% Merino wool, the soft layer against my skin and then thicker wool on top of that. I've used it in severly cold weather and it works great.
Shrinkage susceptibility and moisture retention (up to 35% of its weight) are why wool is often an unattractive fabric for sports. However, it could be argued that wool provides the best heat insulation for harsh winter. I suppose it would depend on the weather you are riding in and for which layer you wear the wool.
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  Quote smoothrider5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/03/2012 at 5:33pm
I've read that it naturally pulls moisture away from your skin and it works very well for me. The quality of wool makes a big difference. I use 100% merino wool. Ive used under armour products before and IMO the high quality merino wool is by far the superior product.. If you get a merino blend, made with lycra or polyester it does hold water. The lycra and polyester are essentially cheaper ways to make the product. I don't know all of the science but my Kuiu base layers work great.
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  Quote kirkalicious Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/03/2012 at 6:10pm
Avoid cotton/polyester, down jackets with wool or baselayers should be enough for a cold day
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  Quote smoothrider5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/03/2012 at 6:41pm
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Avoid cotton/polyester, down jackets with wool or baselayers should be enough for a cold day


agreed, but if you get a down jacket that isn't waterproof it will be useless if it gets wet. The jacket I use Kuiu's super down is the only non synthetic down jacket I know of that has feathers treated to be waterproof. Real down is warmer than synthetic and if it is waterproof then you have a clearly superior product.
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  Quote Ryanpmajor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/08/2012 at 11:36am
ill definitly be trying out merino wool once i get the money ha
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  Quote fj5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/08/2012 at 11:57am
When it's cold, I'd wear long sleeve polyester base (found them cheapest at eastbay.com , the eastbay brand) and then I'd have a tshirt, hoodie, then my shell.  I have a 3-in-1 jacket as well but I wouldn't wear the inner jacket if I already have a hoodie on.  On warmer days, I'd lose the hoodie, but keep everything else.

Thing is, it's a bit contradictory to wear the polyester base to wick away sweat and then have a cotton tshirt or hoodie over to absorb all of it.  But I find layering a bunch of polyester pieces gets TOO hot too fast after any physical activity.  I'm more like Spenser though, I run pretty hot so I prefer a lighter cooler setup and rely on motion to keep me warm.
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  Quote jhoang6 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/08/2012 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by kirkalicious

Avoid cotton/polyester, down jackets with wool or baselayers should be enough for a cold day
Don't use down, that's just a bad idea. Especially in high activity sports.
Just baselayers.. well that'll depend on you. I don't generate much heat so I gotta keep in as much heat as possible. and I don't sweat too much either so I'm fine putting on more layers.
Gets REALLY cold when you're sitting on the lifts and the wind is howling

THanks for the eastbay.com link  If i Had known about them I probably would have gotten my compression there.. but after getting one from UA...i'm not impressed esp at the prices they sell em at.  Next step is to try the merino that all the hype is about.
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"Don't use down, that's just a bad idea. Especially in high activity sports."

Traditionally, yes I agree with you. There is a new type of down insulator that has been developed. Its called super down. The super down I use is from Kuiu, I also use their base layer merino wool. Normally I wouldn't wear hunting stuff on the mountain, but when I saw my brother in law wearing this jacket, and he let me try it on, there was just no turning back. I tried to find something like it in the boarding stores but couldnt. Ive never been cold on a lift since I've had it, and I don't overheat when I'm riding etiher. What makes the super down different from traditional down is the feathers have been treated to be waterproof. Traditional down when wet is useless. This stuff still works in wet conditions and it is light as hell.
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  Quote jhoang6 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/08/2012 at 1:58pm
it would be interesting to see how they treat the down fibres to become waterproof and yet still allow it to be lofty and hold in warmth
sounds like quite the product.  now that you mention it though.. "super down" does sounds familiar.
how much do one of those jackets go for? couldn't find it.

and its no biggie to wear hunting gear while snowboarding.
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i wear spyder soft shell for spring ride, i usually just wear a cotton tshirt underneath.
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Sports authority has light and mid weight base layers on the cheap also
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Merino wool base layers.
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under armor works well as a base layer! or airblaster ninja suits :D
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nike has some AMAZING long sleeve shirts that are the perfect thickness to wear under a shell. I put a t-shirt over it then wore my north face jacket and was warm aaaaalllllll day then put my jacket liner for night riding. I cant remember what type of long sleeve it was but it was at dicks and were very cheap.
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Have you tried those Heat-Tech base layers from Uniqlo? Keeps you warm and dry. Usually wear that, a hoodie, then the shell.
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  Quote AJD13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/12/2013 at 5:42pm
Shells are all about layering... put on a nice base layer, then maybe a lighter sweatshirt or long sleeved shirt and a heavier one above that. i always like to layer thin to thick, that way it is easier to take layers off as the temps go up. 
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