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    Posted: Dec/11/2012 at 3:14am
I was asked to recommend a snowboard christmas gift for a beginner & would appreciate some wide suggestions.  He has ridden 10 times on rentals.  6 ' 2"  170 lbs  boots will be a size 12.  Angles probably +12 / -12   What would be a suitable make & model for a first board to grow into in the wide realm?  He has no brand loyalty at this point.  What is the minimum waist width he could get away with? I would say he needs a camber deck at this point. 
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  Quote Lux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/11/2012 at 6:21am
I'd say a waist width of no less than 258 mm. That's not quite a full wide board, but rather in the range of mid-wide. I know some brands do have such mid-wide models. I as I know them fairly well, Arbor for instance makes the Relapse (freestyle, camber), Blacklist (freestyle, rocker), and Roundhouse RX (freeride rocker). Or you can move up to their full wide Roundhouse CX (freeride, camber) if you want even more waist width. Not to suggest that you must only buy Arbor, bust just consider mid-wide alternatives, which are out there. And your binding will raise the boot off of the snow by a measurable amount. Just bear in mind that going too wide will give an effect of riding a door; it can be fatiguing without enough rider mass.
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  Quote sixpoint Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/11/2012 at 9:04am

info noted. thank you lux

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  Quote AJD13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/11/2012 at 10:54am
K2 Brigade is a nice beginner wide board, as well as the Ride manic. those two have very simliar shapes and cambers. Burton Bullet, Clash, and Blunt all seem to be good beginner boards as well, i think they come in wide as well... Like said above hes sort of a midwide so see if you can find that too.
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  Quote Backside10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/13/2012 at 9:51am
Burton blunt is 26.2+ if you go 156W or bigger. My brother is ~6 ft 185 lbs, size 12 boots, and rides the 156W. Plenty wide. The blunt isn't a regular camber, but I'm not sure why you think you need a regular camber for a beginner. Reverse and alternate cambers are great for beginners because they are less edgy and more forgiving often times.
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  Quote sixpoint Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/14/2012 at 3:33am
Thanks all, he is leaning towards a K2.   Shop person recommended a 160 cm board at 170 pounds.  I would put him on a shorter stick.  We all know that beginner reverse camber vs regular camber is another long discussion.
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  Quote scuddera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/14/2012 at 5:38am
Originally posted by sixpoint

Thanks all, he is leaning towards a K2.   Shop person recommended a 160 cm board at 170 pounds.  I would put him on a shorter stick.  We all know that beginner reverse camber vs regular camber is another long discussion.


A 160cm is a lot of board in my eyes for a beginner esspecially if they advance and want to start learning other skills. I am a big promoter of reverse camber boards for beginners because that is what I learned on. check out K2 WWW or Parkstar, DC PBJ, Burton Whammy bar or Dominant. Im not a fan of the blunts at all they are $hit boards in my eyes. Sizing I think youre spot on with the 156, anything 155-157 will work on a wide board
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  Quote vicente Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/17/2012 at 8:25am
put him on one of doug's thrive renegades in 157 would be perfect.
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  Quote AJD13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/17/2012 at 5:24pm
i dont think dougs renegades is a good choice for him. sounds like a great board but the tech is a little to advanced for a first board or a beginner board.
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  Quote sixpoint Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/18/2012 at 7:18am
thanks for all your input. he hasnt pulled the trigger yet, but is making sure to look closely at the entry level boards from K2 & Ride. i'll let him decide camber or RC. I hope to try a thrive board soon.
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  Quote AJD13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/18/2012 at 8:23pm
me to on the thrive, but tell him to look into rocker as well. i find people are learning very quickly on the rockered type boards. theyre kinda in between camber and reverse camber. So its like the best of both worlds type thing. Hope he has good luck and gets a killer deal
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  Quote fj5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/18/2012 at 10:06pm
Originally posted by AJD13

i dont think dougs renegades is a good choice for him. sounds like a great board but the tech is a little to advanced for a first board or a beginner board.

What about a 156 Accomplice?  Not wide enough?
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  Quote ippollite Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/19/2012 at 4:02am
the tech on the renegade isnt exactly that advanced. We arent talking rocket boosters and hover tech anti magnetic fields here. Its a snowboard. Its also a medium wide which is nice. 

and 6.2 and 170lbs, a 160 is an okay size of board. Whats spenser? 150lbs and 5.10 or something and riding 158? Maybe hell enjoy a 158ish more, but then again maybe what with his gargantuan frame (im a pict, we are like the hobbits of the planet so anyone ever 6 foot is a monster), a 160 is perfectly decent. It also means he'll have a few more options out there what with the slight push up on the boards width. 156 is dangerously short though for a) his big massive boats for feet, and b) giving him the other skills that maybe youre overlooking with a 156 that he might like to attain (stability, pop and float). Its very park-centric which isnt the be all and end all of snowboarding (though sales according to transworld business of their top 10 2012 sold boards might indicate otherwise). 

In truth at my size 170lbs and 5'9" (yes, naff off! your metabolism will slow down one day too!), im happiest on a 158. I know height isnt supposed to be a big deal, but it does play at least a minor role in the psychology of the person riding their deck. My 155 riot feels like a toy board and i spend half my time blaming the size for every failing in technique i have as a rider. Its fine. But it messes with your head a lot. :) So theres a few advantages to be gained in 160, and a few to be gained in 156. But honestly, lets go goldilocks here and suggest 157 to 161 assuming hes looking for an all mountain ride. And if it turns out hes looking to get into buttering and spinning where swing weight matters at the expense of possibly overall balance and stability at speed or in messy terrain MAYBE encourage something around 154-157. All your base etc. 

Basically. Its a snowboard. Get a nice size that fits his canoe feet (and 258 seems reasonable as any number out there - assuming of course the radius is your normal twin hourglass esque 5.7-6.9 (figures out of my ass) radius and not some super svelt ripper with a 20m radius on it or something). Make it a medium soft flex, size it somewhere reasonable around the 157-160 range add in flavors like camber profiles, base shapes/material, and sidecut tweaks and bish bosh! hes good to go. :) 


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  Quote AJD13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/19/2012 at 9:14am
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the tech on the renegade isnt exactly that advanced. We arent talking rocket boosters and hover tech anti magnetic fields here. Its a snowboard. Its also a medium wide which is nice. 

and 6.2 and 170lbs, a 160 is an okay size of board. Whats spenser? 150lbs and 5.10 or something and riding 158? Maybe hell enjoy a 158ish more, but then again maybe what with his gargantuan frame (im a pict, we are like the hobbits of the planet so anyone ever 6 foot is a monster), a 160 is perfectly decent. It also means he'll have a few more options out there what with the slight push up on the boards width. 156 is dangerously short though for a) his big massive boats for feet, and b) giving him the other skills that maybe youre overlooking with a 156 that he might like to attain (stability, pop and float). Its very park-centric which isnt the be all and end all of snowboarding (though sales according to transworld business of their top 10 2012 sold boards might indicate otherwise). 

In truth at my size 170lbs and 5'9" (yes, naff off! your metabolism will slow down one day too!), im happiest on a 158. I know height isnt supposed to be a big deal, but it does play at least a minor role in the psychology of the person riding their deck. My 155 riot feels like a toy board and i spend half my time blaming the size for every failing in technique i have as a rider. Its fine. But it messes with your head a lot. :) So theres a few advantages to be gained in 160, and a few to be gained in 156. But honestly, lets go goldilocks here and suggest 157 to 161 assuming hes looking for an all mountain ride. And if it turns out hes looking to get into buttering and spinning where swing weight matters at the expense of possibly overall balance and stability at speed or in messy terrain MAYBE encourage something around 154-157. All your base etc. 

Basically. Its a snowboard. Get a nice size that fits his canoe feet (and 258 seems reasonable as any number out there - assuming of course the radius is your normal twin hourglass esque 5.7-6.9 (figures out of my ass) radius and not some super svelt ripper with a 20m radius on it or something). Make it a medium soft flex, size it somewhere reasonable around the 157-160 range add in flavors like camber profiles, base shapes/material, and sidecut tweaks and bish bosh! hes good to go. :) 


Ippy dont talk bad on the big folks bec your tiny... we might have to squash you with our canoe feet! hahahahahaha LOL 


to the op im assuming this person is younger and will be growing as well... that weight of 170 is bound to go up at a height of 6'2. (its just not proportional! the kid is a stick if thats normal.) might wanna get him something he can grow into. his ideal weight will probably be somewhere around 200lbs to 220lbs. If he doesnt get a stiffer board as he gets heavier he will likely feel more flex and get the noodle effect. i think he'll fit perfectly in on that 162-157 range as well.
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