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    Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 5:12am
Im in the hunt for a new board and I am considering some of the hybrid camber boards and now maybe even a flat board.

I have a ultrafear, which I am not overly found of how loose it is so I went back to my cambered board.

My 1st question is, will a hybrid or flat board be less loose feeling?

Second question, Anyone riding this years superhero?   I got bigger feet so the fact it has a little extra width would be good for me.

I am also considering one of those thrive boards doug is peddling.
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  Quote chillman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 6:35am
I would say flat will be less loose feeling because it's flat all the way past the inserts and it doesn't rocker up. Look at something like the Capita Mid-Life Zero or the K2 Happy Hour. 
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  Quote fj5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 8:02am
I'm trying to understand what you mean by loose... so you're saying it has more to do with shape rather than flex?  Are you also taking pop into consideration?  Could you describe what you mean by loose a bit more?

I've ridden a range of boards.  My first board was a flat zero camber Lamar 148 which was too short for me.  Despite that, I don't think it felt "loose".  I replaced it with a traditional camber Artec Gabe Taylor 155 which felt very solid and aggressive.  Then I tried the Sierra R.Crew 155 and Stunt 155 and I think I know what you mean how rockers can feel "loose".  Turn initiation was a lot easier and welcoming but it does not seem to lock into carves (particularly on hard pact groomers) as good as the camber.  A bit flappy at the nose and tail, even compared to the flat Lamar.  But that could have been due to board stiffness as well.  Replaced the Artec and R.Crew with the Burton Vapor 157 (directional camber) and it's definitely my fav of the three for all mtn.  Kept the Stunt for park.

I recently purchased the Thrive Renegade 154 and took her out for the first time this past Thursday.  It really is a great board to ride.  It's not particularly lightweight and thus it handled chop exceptionally well.  A few times I was picking up speed, I felt like I would have slipped out if I was riding my Stunt but the Renegade surprised me by locking in and propelling me past it.  It was a pleasant surprise, happened more than a couple times.  I'm attributing that extra bite to the camber zones under my feet.  Those extra contact points really did provide me with a better lock in my carves.  However, turn initiation was still easier than traditional camber, not quite as quick as pure rocker but still very good.  Edge to edge was smooth.  I originally thought hyrbids would perform like noodles but the Renegade was still nice and poppy, probably because the camber extends to tip and tail plus those carbon strings.

I'm definitely happy to add it to my quiver.  It will be my one go-to board for my trips, but I'm still going to hang onto my Vapor and Stunt.  I wasn't convinced that it could replace those experiences... who knows, maybe in time I'll change my mind after riding it more.
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  Quote mbesp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 8:24am
thanks for chiming in,    By loose I am referring to how the board can kind of slide back and forth.   I noticed it most on flats when riding switch. I never could get rid of the feeling I was about to catch an edge. maybe I was never about to catch an edge but after riding camber boards forever it sure felt like it.


I have not really thought much about the pop of the board. I understand that camber will normally provide the most, so switching to a flat will probably be a little less poppy.

Thanks for the review on the thrive board as well.   Good to hear positive experiences.   I am considering it but also considering a few boards with slightly larger waist widths. Mostly that would be the Never Summer proto ctx.
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  Quote mbesp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/30/2012 at 4:34am
I was looking at the super hero a little more and it seems that it isn't a flat board like I thought but more like the ultrafear. flat in the middle and upturned tip and tail.

Guess i'll have to remove it from the list.


I was looking at K2's website, are their flatline boards all the way flat or do they lift up on the tip and tail?

I think my non-flash browser is not showing me all the information on the k2 website.
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  Quote spenser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/30/2012 at 9:47am
the super hero has the same profile as the ultrafear.  it's not totally flat, just part of it is.

the reason that profile feels loose is because at least half the board is raised off the snow when you're riding, since the nose and tail rocker up right after the inserts.  a totally flat board will be less loose (if you are comparing two boards that are otherwise fairly similar) because the full length of the edge is always touching.

with hybrid camber, it will depend on the specific profile.  some hybrids are cambered in the middle and rocker up after the inserts, which is not what you want if you don't want a loose board.  another hybrid profile like C2 or neversummer RC has camber outside the feet, so the full edge is touching at all times.  that's what you want for a board that feels less loose.

k2's flatline is 100% flat. they have a good diagram somewhere that shows how each profile looks and where the rocker is (or isn't)
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  Quote fj5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/30/2012 at 11:01am
Originally posted by mbesp

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I was looking at K2's website, are their flatline boards all the way flat or do they lift up on the tip and tail?

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I'm assuming you mean deliberate rockered shape at the nose and tail?  Because all boards will have the tip and tail lift up, unless you want to ride a 2x4. LOL
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