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    Posted: Feb/11/2013 at 7:35am
Drones used against US citizens on US soil?

http://now.msn.com/christopher-dorner-is-first-drone-target-on-us-soil

http://www.slashgear.com/drones-deployed-in-dorner-man-hunt-11268818/
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  Quote Sintexo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/11/2013 at 8:31am
Why wouldn't this be true?
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They are not using the drone to kill him, just to find him. Not that much different than a police helicopter.
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l guess its just different technology. I dont understand how using the drone is easier though. l'm sure they have thermal tech but how would they be like. BAM thats him
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I wouldn't be surprised really.  
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  Quote Redheaderr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/11/2013 at 11:35am
Originally posted by rye

l guess its just different technology. I dont understand how using the drone is easier though. l'm sure they have thermal tech but how would they be like. BAM thats him


Well if hes hiding in the woods somewhere there wouldn't be many people about so they only have to go question the people they see.  A lot less time and money would be spent combing through every little bit of landscape.  Id imagine there would be police in the area waiting for the call out to check a suspicious spot.  Way easier than running entire helicopter/atv teams.
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i think it is a great idea. drones have served thousands of uses and do so much more than manned aircraft can and for longer. so it is a great way to find fugitives or just missing people in general.
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when the police are determine to find him ..they'll do it at extreme measures drone or not as long it gets the job done and plus that Dorner guy is supposedly roaming loose in the backcountry of Big Bear. not a good thing for ski resorts when you got a serial killer prowling the town
makes everyone on edge.
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im just surprised. the story breaking of drone strikes that were used to kill US citizens in other countries without trial and now they are using them to scan the US. i understand that it's not a big deal to most... 

"A whopping 83 percent of Americans approve of the Obama administration’s use of the aircraft to kill terrorists, according to the most recent Washington Post/ABC News poll on the subject, from February 2012. The same poll found that 65 percent of Americans favor the use of drones against American citizens suspected of terrorism overseas." http://www.salon.com/2013/02/07/liberals_love_drones_too/

but i feel like it can be a slippery slope. 65% support killing suspects.  the drones overseas started without weapons also. the guy does need to be found but when he does i bet he will be killed and not taken into custody. 
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Originally posted by bootleg

when the police are determine to find him ..they'll do it at extreme measures drone or not as long it gets the job done and plus that Dorner guy is supposedly roaming loose in the backcountry of Big Bear. not a good thing for ski resorts when you got a serial killer prowling the town
makes everyone on edge.

They need to find this guy and put him away ASAP, f'ing lunatic running around killing people... what happens in someone's head that makes him/her snap like this Dorner guy?  
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Originally posted by bootleg

when the police are determine to find him ..they'll do it at extreme measures drone or not as long it gets the job done and plus that Dorner guy is supposedly roaming loose in the backcountry of Big Bear. not a good thing for ski resorts when you got a serial killer prowling the town
makes everyone on edge.

They need to find this guy and put him away ASAP, f'ing lunatic running around killing people... what happens in someone's head that makes him/her snap like this Dorner guy?  
 
I don't know where you got the idea he's a serial killer, but that's not true.
 
He said the killings are revenge for his firing from the LAPD in 2008 and that he would stop when his name was cleared.
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Yeah, cause killing more people will clear your name of criminal action. Douche.
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  Quote LeerroooyJenkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/11/2013 at 12:46pm
Drones - not true

Dude going on a killing spree - not exactly true

LAPD freaking out and killing people - absolutely true

Nothing wrong with going to get this guy, but get him and don't kill people trying.
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he also killed his lawyers daughter and her husband. im not really following the logic of how that clears your name. 
I would consider him extremely dangerous but the LAPD also shot two old women in a car that looked like his. they need to chill out a little bit there maybe wait till you see a guy that looks like Dorner (actually is Dorner) before freaking out.
 anyways this aint like batman where morgan freeman is going to destroy the surveillance equipment after they find this guy (hell that would have been useful in finding bane). it will be used often after this day. just not ideal for some people.          
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  Quote bdanross Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/11/2013 at 12:50pm
Leerroooy... how do you know the drones thing is wrong? sources definitely can be wrong when speaking to media but who told you otherwise? is there more info on it? i would be interested in that for sure

other parts of your post i agree with
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  Quote LeerroooyJenkins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/11/2013 at 12:57pm
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Leerroooy... how do you know the drones thing is wrong? sources definitely can be wrong when speaking to media but who told you otherwise? is there more info on it? i would be interested in that for sure

http://mashable.com/2013/02/11/lapd-drones-dorner/

not altogether impossible for them to use them, but they are not made for a domestic search and they certainly won't be used to attempt to kill him from the sky without trial.  That is absurd.  Keep in mind, the LAPD does not own any, so I'll believe our federal government when they say that they aren't designating them for municipal law enforcement use.
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for sure the LAPD doesnt have them and i hope it stays that way. articles above were saying that they were borrowing them also not blowing the guy up but using them to find him. appears that they are incorrect it seems that mashable is correct on this one other papers are reporting that. i liked the guardian article. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/11/chris-dorner-drones-lapd

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/11/christopher-dorner-drones_n_2663871.html#slide=2085609 
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drones is fine, nothing wrong with it. The government is just gonna take it too far and use it to kill ppl they "suspect" is a criminal when they haven't proven to be one yet, thus killing unjustly. No one has any idea what the truth is behind the Dorner story. He isn't killing random ppl, he's choosing those ppl on purpose. Media will spin any event into any story that will get them the most views/money. Look at every movie, the good guy gets framed and the news media makes it even worse for him, thus he's running from everyone, including the "good guys" (cops). I'm not saying that's this case, but everyone is so eager to believe media, you guys are all stupid. Get a brain and learn how to use it on your own.
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drones is fine, nothing wrong with it. The government is just gonna take it too far and use it to kill ppl they "suspect" is a criminal when they haven't proven to be one yet, thus killing unjustly.
 
They have already killed US citizens without proving it. Including a 16 year old. they were likely terrorists but they were US citizens, that means due process 

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No one has any idea what the truth is behind the Dorner story. He isn't killing random ppl, he's choosing those ppl on purpose.
 

those are contradictory. i didnt realize that no one had any idea what this guy was up to except you. 


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 everyone is so eager to believe media, you guys are all stupid. Get a brain and learn how to use it on your own.
 

you have to accept some info from the 'media.' doesnt matter if its FOX, MSN, CNN, the huffington post or the colorado springs gazette. sure everyone is biased but unless you are going to go out and gather info yourself from sources then you are getting info from the media. or getting info from us who have got it from the media. its up to the person to decide what they want to believe or not. apparently you believe you are the S..T. thats fine I still want to talk about this and will continue to post articles from the 'media' that is brainwashing me into thinking this guy killed three people. SICK TAIL PRESS btw.  
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well the guy is killing people thats associated with him having to leave the force hences its not random and what rurchan said is correct.

They have killed a us citizen without providing it? When?
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well the guy is killing people thats associated with him having to leave the force hences its not random and what rurchan said is correct.

They have killed a us citizen without providing it? When?


They killed 3 US citizens in Yemen with a drone.  The father of the teenage boy was suspected of being an Al Qaida terrorist.

"The killing of three US citizens, one a 16-year-old boy, in targeted drone strikes last year were unlawful and violated their constitutional rights by not affording them due process, according to a lawsuit filed by their relatives on Wednesday."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/18/us-citizens-drone-strike-deaths
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wrong place wrong time. if you don't act like a terrorist then you wont be killed like one.
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i dont like the idea of drones flying overhead on a daily basis... it gives off that big brother vibe... in the case of using them for finding the fugitive im perfectly fine with that. As far as the LAPD shooting innocent people, they need to chill out with that....
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Originally posted by coolz

well the guy is killing people thats associated with him having to leave the force hences its not random and what rurchan said is correct.

They have killed a us citizen without providing it? When?


They killed 3 US citizens in Yemen with a drone.  The father of the teenage boy was suspected of being an Al Qaida terrorist.

"The killing of three US citizens, one a 16-year-old boy, in targeted drone strikes last year were unlawful and violated their constitutional rights by not affording them due process, according to a lawsuit filed by their relatives on Wednesday."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/18/us-citizens-drone-strike-deaths


ok didn't know that, l'm canadian so can't judge. But honestly, whenever someone is suspected terror, it seems they lose their rights  right off the bat
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Originally posted by coolz

Originally posted by chillwill

Originally posted by coolz

well the guy is killing people thats associated with him having to leave the force hences its not random and what rurchan said is correct.

They have killed a us citizen without providing it? When?


They killed 3 US citizens in Yemen with a drone.  The father of the teenage boy was suspected of being an Al Qaida terrorist.

"The killing of three US citizens, one a 16-year-old boy, in targeted drone strikes last year were unlawful and violated their constitutional rights by not affording them due process, according to a lawsuit filed by their relatives on Wednesday."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/18/us-citizens-drone-strike-deaths


ok didn't know that, l'm canadian so can't judge. But honestly, whenever someone is suspected terror, it seems they lose their rights  right off the bat

that would be okay if their suspicions were ALWAYS 100% correct...of course they are not so that is just f@@ked. Easy to say until you are the one suspected of a crime you did not commit and then are murdered.  There are many people who have been executed who it was later determined were innocent. I know we are not speaking of capital punishment but nonetheless extreme caution should be taken when we are talking about peoples' lives.
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Originally posted by coolz

Originally posted by chillwill

Originally posted by coolz

well the guy is killing people thats associated with him having to leave the force hences its not random and what rurchan said is correct.

They have killed a us citizen without providing it? When?


They killed 3 US citizens in Yemen with a drone.  The father of the teenage boy was suspected of being an Al Qaida terrorist.

"The killing of three US citizens, one a 16-year-old boy, in targeted drone strikes last year were unlawful and violated their constitutional rights by not affording them due process, according to a lawsuit filed by their relatives on Wednesday."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/18/us-citizens-drone-strike-deaths


ok didn't know that, l'm canadian so can't judge. But honestly, whenever someone is suspected terror, it seems they lose their rights  right off the bat

that would be okay if their suspicions were ALWAYS 100% correct...of course they are not so that is just f@@ked. Easy to say until you are the one suspected of a crime you did not commit and then are murdered.  There are many people who have been executed who it was later determined were innocent. I know we are not speaking of capital punishment but nonetheless extreme caution should be taken when we are talking about peoples' lives.
i agree, peoples lives should not be toyed with, there are reasons why people are trained and that is to be able to detect that discretion, but its hard to tell from miles away.
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  Quote coolz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/11/2013 at 4:17pm
yeah totally understandable. they always use the idea of greater good to combat and justify it 
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Several states have banned the use of drones. It runs a fine line on the old invasion of privacy debate because of how they can potentially spy on any one they desire. 
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Don't forget there was a second car the LAPD shot up. It was a black Honda Ridgeline that was shot up by LAPD just like the Tacoma. If you're surprised that drones are being used to target Dorner you need to do more research and stop watching biased media. Look up who signed the NDAA bill, Obama. To sum the bill up, iirc it allows the use of drones on American citizens. Yes the guy who won the nobel peace prize and then sent 30k more troops to Iraq after promising America that he would pull back troops. The same guy who said he would not raid pot shops and goes and shuts down so many of them.
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yeah the world is f'd up. lots of problems with this country but there are also lots of problems with other countries. i am still confused about the peace prize thing. and you cant blame him for allowing the DEA to shut down weed shops. i mean they are cutting into the profits of pharmaceutical companies.
 im more surprised that 83% of americans approve the use of drones and 65% approve the using them on US citizens. yeah they were terrorism suspects but its really easy to label someone a terrorist. Dorner is now a 'terrorist' while i think that is sort of correct. rambo would be a terrorist. occupy would be terrorists in some peoples eyes. the USA is considered terrorists in other parts of the world. 

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yeah the world is f'd up. lots of problems with this country but there are also lots of problems with other countries. i am still confused about the peace prize thing. and you cant blame him for allowing the DEA to shut down weed shops. i mean they are cutting into the profits of pharmaceutical companies.
 im more surprised that 83% of americans approve the use of drones and 65% approve the using them on US citizens. yeah they were terrorism suspects but its really easy to label someone a terrorist. Dorner is now a 'terrorist' while i think that is sort of correct. rambo would be a terrorist. occupy would be terrorists in some peoples eyes. the USA is considered terrorists in other parts of the world. 
http://www.policymic.com/articles/20884/is-america-like-adam-lanza-u-s-drone-strikes-have-killed-176-children-in-pakistan-alone


Pharmaceuticals aren't losing any money. They have people by their balls. Its funny that people think pharmaceutical drugs will help you while weed will hurt you. It's so easy to physically be addicted to pharm drugs while marijuana isn't. I'm not saying all pharm drugs are bad and some people are so jacked up that they definitely need them but it wrecks your body man. I do blame him for allowing the DEA to do that. Would you blame me if I said I wouldn't do something and turned around and did it?
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If anyone ever has a question about how potentially harmful ‘most’ pharmaceutical drugs are, just watch the commercials on television. The list of side effects that they run down is ridiculous!!! What they put in the commercials is only a partial list at that! In most cases I would deal with what ever disorder or disease rather than take most of the crap that the drug companies are fast tracking into the market.

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Pngo12. there is certainly need for a sarcasm text. im saying that pharm companies lobby (bribe) politicians to keep rules in their favor. weed industry is opposed by pharm, tabbaco, and alchohol. oh and private prison. i would argue that OXI is worse than weed. also booze is worse. but yeah i like to cure my depression. ill put up with

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Isn't it funny that all these commercials advertise these crazy drugs with side effects and they end the commercial with DEATH! It's crazy that alcohol is legal and can wreck your body and you can get drunk now and kill somebody when you drive! Everybody should read the documentary called The Union. Its a marijuana documentary and its damn good. The federal government ranks marijuana more dangerous then cocaine if I recall correctly.
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Love how this drone thing just turned into a pot debate... LOL Hey! i dont have a problem with it if i was president id legalize it. Its not addictive it, doesnt hurt people like alcohol does, it has a medicinal benefit, and it could be a great opportunity for the government to make some money. 
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Love how this drone thing just turned into a pot debate... LOL Hey! i dont have a problem with it if i was president id legalize it. Its not addictive it, doesnt hurt people like alcohol does, it has a medicinal benefit, and it could be a great opportunity for the government to make some money. 

Welcome the new Amsterdam, also known as Colordao! Smile We have had legal medical marijuana for years & just last year it has been legalized to posses for personal use. People are finally opening their minds to the true facts regarding marijuana & that is not as evil as the government would like everyone to believe that it is.

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Also shocked that this turned into a pot vs alcohol vs pharmaceuticals talk.  I think that would be interesting to debate actually.  I am overall against marijuana, but when it comes to legalization, I try not to let my personal bias interfere with a policy discussion.  I think there is a right way and a wrong way to legalize, and I think politicians have amazingly stayed out of having a good engaged discussion about how to do this the right way.  Washington and Colorado politicians have just said they support the opinion of their voters, but I think they should actually talk about it, because it is complex.
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It is a very complex issue indeed, and has a long way to go as far as how this is going to actually 'work' in Colorado. I personally don't smoke but i support the legalization of pot. I believe that it is a matter of personal choice & helps a lot of people for medical purposes.

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topic change! whats up with this guy. best 30 seconds since the harlem shake



also the union is a really good documentary. i think it is on netflix.  

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I first saw that on mute, and was wondering why it was a big deal, since I assumed he was clearing his throat or something before hand.  Turns out, he was just really thirsty.  Cottonmouth?
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  Quote rurchan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/13/2013 at 12:53pm
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Love how this drone thing just turned into a pot debate... LOL Hey! i dont have a problem with it if i was president id legalize it. Its not addictive it, doesnt hurt people like alcohol does, it has a medicinal benefit, and it could be a great opportunity for the government to make some money. 

It's not addictive?? are you stupid? There's millions of ppl who are addicted to weed, haha
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  Quote rosati777 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/13/2013 at 12:57pm
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Originally posted by AJD13

Love how this drone thing just turned into a pot debate... LOL Hey! i dont have a problem with it if i was president id legalize it. Its not addictive it, doesnt hurt people like alcohol does, it has a medicinal benefit, and it could be a great opportunity for the government to make some money. 

It's not addictive?? are you stupid? There's millions of ppl who are addicted to weed, haha

well, not legitimately addicted.
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i would say its as addictive as being a sex addict. but i get all my sex addiction information from southpark
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It's true, the government says u have rights, but they take it away the second they accuse u of being suspicious
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they killed 4700 people! “We've killed 4,700,” the lawmaker said. “Sometimes you hit innocent people, and I hate that, but we're at war, and we've taken out some very senior members of al-Qaida."
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  Quote vicente Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/21/2013 at 2:48pm
if you don't like that you should read the national geographic article on it, talking about giving police stations armed drones that size of you're hand or smaller that could kill. I could see this going a long ways towards taking care of anyone the gov doesn't want around who might say the wrong thing and make and hurt a certain celebrity's feeling's. 
 
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wow that is amazing. 5000 people. I didnt know we killed that many terrorists. none of them can be innocent they live in other countries after all. Especially middle eastern countries all those sub humans there. (sarcasm). Good thing we are half the world away if we were where Israel was and it was really easy to bomb us, I cant even imagine how many people would be dead. Guess it keeps the population down though you know. maybe that is the real goal... preventing global warming.   
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