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    Posted: Mar/03/2013 at 10:05am
Hi. I am a regular rider. I usually have my front bindings at 15 degrees and back at 0 degree. Last week, my friend told me to switch the back angle to 15 degrees as well. I tried it but it was weird. I need to get used to it. How do you know what angles to put the bindings? Is there some sort of guideline bases on riding style, weight, and height? Thanks. 
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  Quote RastaRider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/03/2013 at 10:16am
No not really, whatever is comfortable for you is what you should use. Typically if you ride switch a lot then you want your angles to be the same or close to it(i.e. 15/-15, 12/-12 etc) but as is the case with almost everything in snowboarding, it's all preference.


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  Quote fj5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/03/2013 at 10:36am
As Rasta said, it's all preference.  So I do recommend trying out a bunch of different angles until you find one that suits your comfort best.  It'll take some time and multiple days on the hill.  My first time was 15/0 with the rental, then I tried 12/-9, then 12/-12, then 15/-15, and even 18/-18.  I like to ride switch fairly often as I like to jump 180's so I've stuck with duck feet.  The width of your stance will also affect your angles as it tends to be more comfortable to have a larger angle the wider your stance is.
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  Quote humblerooster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/03/2013 at 10:49am
Yeah, seems like we all started the same way. I was 0/0 then 15/0 and now I only ride 15/-15 because I enjoy riding switch.
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  Quote rye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/03/2013 at 12:51pm
if u switch them both same direction lwould say its mroe for 1 directional ride, if switch duck l feel is better, for myself at least 
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  Quote spenser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/03/2013 at 4:44pm
the whole "duck stance for switch riding" thing is kind of a myth on a level.  no one rides the same both ways.  your body mechanics are just totally different.  so instead of pretending like a mirrored duck stance is going to help you ride switch (which it really doesn't), you should figure out what feels most comfortable to you in general. if in fact that does end up being a mirrored duck stance, then great, but realistically most people are better off with a slightly directional angles, even within a duck stance (like 18/-6 for example, duck but slightly directional).  what is true is that it's all preference, and you have to mess around with your overall stance until you figure out what feels right to you.  or you aren't picky and just ride whatever.

what I would do is pay attention to how your feet feel while you're riding during a full day.  for example, some days with certain angles, I would feel like my back foot/leg wants to turn inward a little more (toward the front), so I'll turn the angle one notch in (3 degrees) for the next day and ride it to see how it feels, and go from there.

a lot of people can carve amazingly well with duck stances, but it's more that they carve great despite their stance, rather than because of their stance.  this is a really good video where scotty talks a bunch about this subject. worth a watch. also, scotty is the man.

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  Quote spenser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/03/2013 at 4:45pm
here is the text that goes with the video on vimeo, written by scotty

"I think that a lot of people ride a duck stance under the assumption that it will be
more versatile for riding backwards. But, nobody rides the same backwards. Even if
somebody seems to ride backwards half the time, their body still doesn't work the
same. Your hips don't turn the same. Your legs are of different strengths. Nobody
is as powerful backwards as they are forwards. People always want to think that they
can ride the same backwards as forwards, but even if they are incredible at riding
switch, their body is riding DIFFERENTLY than it does when going forward. You might
as well just pick a direction and have a better functioning stance going one way,
rather than something that is not utilizing the power in your legs going either
direction. This is just my own personal opinion on the subject and what I prefer for
myself. I don't give two chicken feathers what anybody else does and they shouldn't
for what I do either."
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  Quote Piranha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/03/2013 at 5:11pm
I was riding -3/18 for a while and it was great in pow and functional for switch...but then I tweaked my neck somehow, and couldn't turn it that way very well (it's getting better), so I turned my rear binding to -6 and it helps not making my neck turn as much.  Might try -9 soon.
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  Quote sdwc96 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/03/2013 at 7:00pm
Going from 0 to 15 in one session is rather harsh to get used too. I would try something more gradually like 6, or 9. That way you can let your foot get used to it before actually going all the way up to 15
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  Quote AJD13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/04/2013 at 5:56pm
like others have said, its a comfort thing, i think i ride 15/-9 or something like that. its all about where your comfortable.
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  Quote vicente Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/04/2013 at 7:14pm
thanks for posting that spenser the text is pretty much always what I've thought about my own personal stance, I ride 18-9 for pretty much everything and it doesn't make riding switch feel any less natural then riding 15-15 it just doesn't feel right either way. 

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  Quote nifeblade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/04/2013 at 7:24pm
I go a slightly asymetric duck now since im more left foot dominant (cause I'm a regular footed rider) 15/-12.
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  Quote julius77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/05/2013 at 8:18am
I'm back to +18, -12 after being at +15, -9 for a while.
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  Quote LaNieve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/05/2013 at 3:31pm
Everyones different obviously, you just gotta try different angles to find out whats the best for you.. If you go with angles that arent suitable for your body you could possibly end up with an injury or constantly sore leg/ankle
Currently i go with 15/-9. Ill probably try different settings this season though..
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  Quote Lux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/05/2013 at 4:52pm
Trial and error is all I can suggest. Binding angle and width are more dictated by physique rather than riding style. I've seen data on professional Olympic half-pipe riders who use anything from common 12°/-12° to 27°/-6°. You'll find mirrored duck stance to be popular because it is a fair starting point for riders to feel out their adjustments, especially for switch riding where you have to 'rediscover' your technique. For obvious reasons, though, alpine stance (both positive to direction of riding) is always used for professional slalom and bordercross, but it may just work for you if you have a setup for racing down a groomer.

Just because a stance is recommended for a specific type of riding, it doesn't mean it's the only acceptable configuration. They're just references based on popular preferences-- they're what work for most people.

If, at any moment, you feel like your bindings need to be adjusted to improve your riding, you should ensure your technique for what you are attempting is impeccable first. For instance, my switch carving was improved substantially with tweaks to my back posture and knees without touching my bindings, whatsoever. I ride 21°/-21° at 62 cm apart, and I always continue to experiment.
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  Quote cds4288 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/05/2013 at 5:59pm
symmetry is beautiful!! 15/15 is always my fav. or anywhere between 12/12 - 15/15. i ride the same on my wakeboards too.
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  Quote Muse25 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/14/2013 at 12:12pm
I usually rock 12/-9. That seems fit well any wider I get knee aches
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  Quote 2zz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/16/2013 at 10:37am
Spenser you're the snowboard wiz.
So I switched my stance to 12/-12 for da last couple of seasons. I did it to help me ride switch.
Now that I read this, yesterday, I tried 12/-9. Wow, I love it. So far, I realize that my carves are more powerful, rotations are smoother, and much more pop were translated from my body better and easier. Thx Spenser.
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  Quote spenser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/16/2013 at 2:18pm
still definitely all preference and everyone's body is different, but I'm glad it worked out for you.  I'm riding 21/-9 on all mine now, but might try 21/-6 soon.

the back foot being angled too far backward is one of the first things that starts to affect proper carving negatively, because of how your leg wants to and needs to bend to do it in he most fluid and efficient manner.
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  Quote ameration Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/22/2013 at 8:53am
I ride a 15/-15. I started at 15/-6, then 15/-12, then 21/-15, and I like my current set-up the best so far. You have to just take a screwdriver with you and change it up every couple times you go out to see what you like best.

If you are planning on changing the angles that you have been riding at for a while now, I suggest you do it a little at a time. For example, my wife currently rides at 15/-6. I am going to mover her 3 degrees (or -3 degrees I should say) the next two times that I wax her board until she is at 15/-12. The 3 degree change is minimal and waiting 4-6 riding days between changing the angles will give her time to adjust and she probably won't even know that it was done.
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