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    Posted: Apr/04/2013 at 10:22pm
hey guys, new to the forum, been lurking for a while now though haha
just had a couple questions cause im gonna be getting a new set of binders in the next week..

i fluctuate around 200-215 lbs, id consider myself an all mtn rider, i hit mostly groomers, some trees, i love to hit natural jumps and other features and i hit the park maybe 20% of the time so not much park but id like my binding to be able to perform in the park as well but this is mainly for all mtn. i love powder runs but honestly we dont get many big powder dumps around me lol.

basically i was looking at the burton cartels, malavitas, and flux sf45
im open to other suggestions as well, this is just kind of what ive narrowed down to.. kind of leaning toward malavitas and sf45s but all input is very much appreciated because i need a lot of help deciding, thanks in advance!
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  Quote cooldocbk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/04/2013 at 10:51pm
btw these are going to go on my '13 lib attack banana
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Cartels are the best binding I have ever been on and I am a similar type of rider. Next would be the Union Atlas. I have been on the malavitas and they are also very good but I felt they were softer than what I needed. Cartels are the choice for me.
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  Quote rye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/05/2013 at 6:07am
l personally had the cartels and malativa previously. Both are very similar, Malavita is softer but not overly to the point it becomes a park binding. For fit, l did like my malativa a bit better as they are more padded, not to say cartel isn't. The straps just feels "better"
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  Quote cooldocbk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/05/2013 at 9:42am
as far as the highback when i played with them in shop it felt like the malavitas were slightly more playful than the cartels.. is it just one of those situations when its different once you start riding on em? some people say that the 2013 malavitas were made a little stiffer than the 2013 cartels?

btw.. do any of you guys have a large sized binding? because ive been hearing some people not be able to center the bindings because burtons reflex Larges are particularly bigger than other larges. i have a size 12 boot on a 161 W lib attack banana.. i personally want little to no drag on either heel or toe but was wondering you guys' thoughts on this?
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IMO, when it comes to straps, Flux makes the best straps, they're light and comfy.  I also love how Flux doesn't requires tools to adjust all of your settings either.
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  Quote cooldocbk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/05/2013 at 2:23pm
i kind of like the flux straps as well, and im kinda leaning toward flux now because all who ive asked are saying the the burton reflex bindings are impossible to center if youre a size large.. so that puts me off a little..

side question: for me, would a DS 30 be way too flexy or is it cool for all mtn riding.. the general answer ive gotten for this is the it would be way too flexy

thank you for the replies btw!
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  Quote jhoang6 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/05/2013 at 2:42pm
I too am looking for a new pair of binders..
Leaning more towards the Malavitas and Flux, but I would probably choose Flux if the option where there. Mainly due to recommendations and I did get to use it a couple of times. Straps were great! no pinch points and felt very comfortable. easy adjustments. Only thing I guess would be the Cant beds..but never tried those so i don't know what I'm missing.
If you're looking to order a pair of bindings send me a PM, Im coming close to getting a pair, but TruSnow doesn't have any M's left and you're looking for a L so this might work great for us. let me know.
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  Quote Lux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/07/2013 at 8:10am
fj5 uses the Burton Malavita '13 on his DC Ply freestyle board, so he can share his insight on it.
I ride the Flux SF45 '12 on my Arbor Element.
I also ride the Flux DS30 '13 on my Rome Artifact Rocker.

The Flux SF45 is my main binding and, perhaps, is my favourite binding of all time. Strap comfort and tool-less adjustability are absolutely second to none in the industry. For this model, it's a 45% glass blend in the baseplate and highback (hence, the number '45') so it is very stiff and will transfer a lot of your body energy into the board. Flux doesn't use EVA bushings underneath the baseplate, which would've been nice for very hard shock landings from kickers, but, frankly, riding on a pillow is not something I'd like in stiff freeride binding. If you are seriously considering the SF45, I recommend you get the 2013 model over all previous. The "Alpha" baseplate that they use got a few quiet revisions over the previous model: for improved durability, they no longer core out the heelcup; and the stabiliser feet that extend out at the baseplate are now removable. The ankle strap has also grown significantly into their "Absolute Fit - Freeride" strap, which is enormous-- it is much fatter on the ends to hold the boot more firmly but is even more comfortable than before. The differences are minor, but older 2012 model has a stiffer highback because its huge lean adjuster assembly was riveted to the highback and doubles as a structural reinforcement.

The SF45 is The Good Ride's benchmark binding for testing all of their stiff/freeride snowboards.

The Flux DS30 is, simply put, the SF45 with a reduced fibreglass blend (softer), different highback (different forward lean adjustment), and different ankle strap ("Absolute Fit - Freestyle"). The baseplate mould, toe strap, and footbed are the same. For your weight, you will feel the difference in stiffness; I am 69 kilograms and can still bend the chassis when riding, even in size Large. The ankle strap is also massive and comfortable like the SF45's, but it has been tapered to allow more lateral articulation of the rider's boot-- for moving around when you're contorting yourself for a grab in the air. The "Alpha" footbed is the same as the SF45 and it works the same as Burton's "Auto-Cant": different densities of foam will allow your boot to cant inwards as needed. Forward lean adjustment is now accomplished by changing how deep into the heelcup you bolt the highback mounting points. Instead of the traditional stopper-type of lean adjustment, your highback leans forward when it presses seamlessly against the heelcup. They do this to reduce weight; these things are light!! jhoang6 has borrowed my DS30 for a day and even he will tell you how light they are, and they're size Large.

Regarding your question about flex... I've ridden the DS30 for the majority of last season, on all types of terrain: bombing icy/choppy groomers, jibs, large kickers, powder, and even triple black diamond gladed runs at Mt. Bohemia. It will take it all exceptionally well if you match it up with a medium or soft snowboard. But the binding does not have the stiffness needed to manipulate stiffer boards, like the Burton Vapor, Arbor A-Frame, or Never Summer Raptor. For that, you will need an SF45 or DMCC if you want the board to flex more than the binding.

I hope that helps! Good luck with your search. Sorry I can't be of much help about the Burton's, but my first-hand experience will only cover the two Flux models you asked about.
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  Quote TomK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/08/2013 at 10:56am
I've got large cartels and a Burton Fix, and I find it to be a pretty sweet combination. I haven't had any trouble with toe drag or anything yet, although I do have smaller feet so my straps are cranked right up.
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  Quote shwazy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/11/2013 at 5:34am
Originally posted by rye

l personally had the cartels and malativa previously. Both are very similar, Malavita is softer but not overly to the point it becomes a park binding. For fit, l did like my malativa a bit better as they are more padded, not to say cartel isn't. The straps just feels "better"

Same here...owned them both...I prefer the Malavitas slightly as well because they are a little more comfortable and just a tick softer.  Malavitas hold up anywhere though.
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