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    Posted: Aug/24/2013 at 6:14am
Hey Guys,

I have the Burton Restricted pants, and have had them for about 3 years of use now. I feel they are starting to lose their waterproofing potential? After strapping in or just sitting around waiting for friends, the water seems to be getting through. Does anyone recommend a waterproof spray possibly?

Or is it time to get new pants?
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  Quote Witty1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/24/2013 at 10:51am
You can refresh them by using Nikwax. 
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  Quote Angry Midget Yo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/24/2013 at 12:23pm
Like Witty mentioned you can use Nikwax to waterprooof your gear again but if the seams are ripped somewhere then you can either buy a new pair or attempt to sew it.
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  Quote Chop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/25/2013 at 2:52pm
As stated above, always use Nikwax. I also spray all of my seams with a spray made for tent rainflies that I picked up at an EMS. I've ridden in the rain with this formula, and I haven't had a single leak.
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  Quote Lux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/25/2013 at 3:54pm
Buy new pants. You're not going to be able to sew that shell fabric, especially when it's stretched whenever you crouch or sit. Spray-on waterproofing (Nikwax) requires regular maintenance and can only be washed with special (Nikwax) detergent.
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  Quote keljai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/25/2013 at 6:37pm
nikwax is your best bet. There is other products similar too ie granger which does the same thign 
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  Quote Muse25 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/26/2013 at 10:41am
Nikwax FTW ! I had a pair of pants I had for years and the waterproofing started to go out. I used Nikwax's Tech Wash then Nikwax Waterproofing ( I like to use the wash in kind)  then they were good as new! Tech Wash is great to wash off detergent build up from your pants (which is a no, no to use because regular detergent  kills waterproofing) . Be careful not to use too much wash in waterproofing because it can leave a white residue. A little goes a long way. 
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  Quote lightning80 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/26/2013 at 10:59am
Yup, Nikwax Tech Wash and then the waterproof spray like everyone else has said. You could spray a little extra in the butt area just to make sure it's nice and sealed there. One of my friends use some kind of stain guard made for furniture fabric. That would work for the waterproofing, but I think that might affect breathability and cause you to sweat more and become wet from the inside.
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  Quote JDiggidy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/26/2013 at 11:12am
-- As as side note: Burton does not reccomend the wash in waterproofing stuff.  Peeps here are talking about the spray.  I just bought a bottle myself in fact.
 
Be sure to wash and rinse your pants well. (i've never used the tech wash, i just use a tiny bit of powdered deturgent with some oxyclean powder) Use cold water for both cycles, and wash them inside out, with all zippers and pockets closed.  rinse them an extra time as well to make sure your magic poors are nice and clean.
 
Now, this still won't make your gear good as new, but it should give you another year hopefully.  then, do this at least once per year with your new pants (and jacket too).
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  Quote L0stie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/27/2013 at 2:00am
Where can I find some Nikwax? I fear the waterproofing was lost quite a bit from putting my pants in the wash (cleaned under Burton instructions of course)
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  Quote JDiggidy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/27/2013 at 4:14pm
You can get the Nikwax at most outdoors type stores.  Cabellas, sport's athority, sheels, the like.  and all over the nets.
 
So, you didn't actually "loose" any waterproofing when you washed your stuff, you just hid it a bit.  there are 2 ways your pants are keeping you dry.  1- the membrane: it's a porus membrane that has tiny tiny holes.  liquid water has a big molocule that can't go through the poors, but the vaporized water (ie- your sweaty skin) is small enough to travel on through.  when these holes get clogged with junk, not only do they not breath, but they will also wick water through the membrane.  by washing your pants, you clean the membrane, so it works better.
 
ok, now the thing that people "think" is the waterproofing: DWR. Durable Water Repelency just makes the surface area of your pants all jaggedy so water drops can't cling on and wick on in (see #1).  Things like Nikwax help restore this layer.  Also, by drying your pants in the dryer per manufacturer's instructions, you help restore that layer.  
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  Quote L0stie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/28/2013 at 5:59am
Thanks JDiggidy, the pants may still have some life left to offer me, I will try out Nikwax and also put it in the dryer also.
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  Quote Angry Midget Yo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/28/2013 at 11:20am
Originally posted by L0stie

Where can I find some Nikwax? I fear the waterproofing was lost quite a bit from putting my pants in the wash (cleaned under Burton instructions of course)

So you washed it as instructed by Burton and it still lost its waterproofing and Burton doesn't want you to use waterproofing products on its product?  Sounds to me Burton just wants you to spend more money and buy another pair of their "quality" goods.  LOL
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  Quote JDiggidy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/28/2013 at 12:05pm
AMY - See what I was referring to, the DWR coating eventually wears off so the water doesn't bead up on the surface, so peeps think that they've lost their waterproofing, but really, they've only lost half of it.  The DWR coating does help with keeping the moisture far enough away from the membrane though that it helps from letting it wick in.
 
Burton tags straight up say to spray some refresher on, especially places like the butt and and shoulders where things rub and stretch a lot.
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  Quote snowj720 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/28/2013 at 1:49pm
I used some campdry for clothes last season to bring life back into my old Columbia pants. Worked pretty good or I just spent less time on my ass, not sure which it was.
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  Quote Peekaboo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug/31/2013 at 7:26pm
Careful with using Nikwax...It has stained some of my clothes, especially white jackets/pants.
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