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    Posted: Oct/21/2013 at 12:53am
I want buy a burton twc pro. which binding i can choice?
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  Quote VermontRider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/21/2013 at 6:35am
You can use any Burton binding, EST or non-EST, or any other brand binding with an ICS adapter plate. I believe Union and a few others offer adapter plates these days. The bindings you use depends on your style and preference.
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  Quote milutinho Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/21/2013 at 2:33pm
Yeah it's not necessary but est binding are a lot more responsive on a channel system than non est bindings...big difference.
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  Quote Angry Midget Yo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/21/2013 at 5:03pm
If you're going to buy a channel board then might as well go with est bindings since they were made specifically for it.
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  Quote CO_champagne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/22/2013 at 5:52am
Definitely get est bindings if you can.  They are perfect for the board and actually great bindings.  I was a little skeptical at first.  It's a good technology but mostly a ploy to dupe everyone with a Burton board to have Burton bindings.
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  Quote Daveongo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/10/2013 at 7:34am
you might as well get channel bindings with a channel board
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  Quote keljai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/10/2013 at 8:11am
Originally posted by Daveongo

you might as well get channel bindings with a channel board


I personally dont, by buy an EST binding, if l ever switch boards, l'm once again stuck with burton.
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  Quote spenser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/10/2013 at 1:16pm
EST is not "a lot more responsive."  the bindings are the same, it's the under-foot feel that changes a little.  also, some people don't notice enough of a difference to care, like myself.  I liked the few pairs I had, but prefer the more solid feel of a regular base.

also, it was never a "ploy" to get people to only buy burton bindings.  when it came out, you could use burton and forum, and the channel disk also worked with union and flux.  I've been riding unions on channel boards since the first year it came out, unless you count the limited 07 jeremy jones that first had the channel.  when they upgraded starting with 2011 boards, it was specifically for two reasons... make the system better, and make it easier for the other guys to make their own disk, with the new hardware. to say they're trying to keep you on burton bindings is kinda silly.  they created a great mounting system and specifically upgraded it so other companies could make it work.  as of right now there are plenty of companies that you can strap in with.. pretty much all the mainstreams.  burton, forum, union, rome, k2, flux, flow, now, etc

this all comes down to preference.  if you prefer EST bindings, get them.  if you prefer regular bindings, get them.  there are no facts about either one working "better" on the channel, simply because this is not about better, it's about two different styles that both work great.  another thing to consider is if you will ever use these on a different board, in which case you should not get EST.  reflex and the hinge can give you some of the similar theoretical benefits, without limiting yourself to burton boards.
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  Quote milutinho Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/10/2013 at 2:31pm
oh those special, magical words...it all comes down to preference
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  Quote shwazy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/11/2013 at 9:46am
Originally posted by spenser

EST is not "a lot more responsive."  the bindings are the same, it's the under-foot feel that changes a little.  also, some people don't notice enough of a difference to care, like myself.  I liked the few pairs I had, but prefer the more solid feel of a regular base.

also, it was never a "ploy" to get people to only buy burton bindings.  when it came out, you could use burton and forum, and the channel disk also worked with union and flux.  I've been riding unions on channel boards since the first year it came out, unless you count the limited 07 jeremy jones that first had the channel.  when they upgraded starting with 2011 boards, it was specifically for two reasons... make the system better, and make it easier for the other guys to make their own disk, with the new hardware. to say they're trying to keep you on burton bindings is kinda silly.  they created a great mounting system and specifically upgraded it so other companies could make it work.  as of right now there are plenty of companies that you can strap in with.. pretty much all the mainstreams.  burton, forum, union, rome, k2, flux, flow, now, etc

this all comes down to preference.  if you prefer EST bindings, get them.  if you prefer regular bindings, get them.  there are no facts about either one working "better" on the channel, simply because this is not about better, it's about two different styles that both work great.  another thing to consider is if you will ever use these on a different board, in which case you should not get EST.  reflex and the hinge can give you some of the similar theoretical benefits, without limiting yourself to burton boards.

I have owned several Burton boards since the channel came out: X8, super model, super model x, t6, and currently the Malolo and the Joystick.  I have used both est and non-est bindings extensively and I do not notice a difference in performance so I agree with this post.  I like to use est bindings with est boards but it is certainly not a must.  If you think you will always ride an est for the life of the binding then I would recommend est but if you ride other boards then non-est makes more sense.  Either way you are good because they both work great.  Some might argue that having the wider area for locking down the screws is better on the est but I have not had issue with my bindings ever coming loose on non-est.
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  Quote JDiggidy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/11/2013 at 1:27pm
Hope I'm not thread-jacking, but question about the Channel:  Is the channel itself stiff (rigid lengthwise like a pipe or something) or is it flexible?  

I would think that if the channel itself was like a big piece of metal, the underfoot flexy feel of EST bindings would be a moot point, but then, how does the channel survive the abuse that the boards go through if it is indeed flexible? Does it ever get bent out of shape or anything?  

I'm not against the boards with it, I just haven't owned any. 
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  Quote JDiggidy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/11/2013 at 1:31pm
Hope I'm not thread-jacking, but question about the Channel:  Is the channel itself stiff (rigid lengthwise like a pipe or something) or is it flexible?  

I would think that if the channel itself was like a big piece of metal, the underfoot flexy feel of EST bindings would be a moot point, but then, how does the channel survive the abuse that the boards go through if it is indeed flexible? Does it ever get bent out of shape or anything?  

I'm not against the boards with it, I just haven't owned any. 
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  Quote spenser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov/11/2013 at 1:58pm
it has as much flex as it needs and there are no worries to be had; it's been fully engineered to work with all the action of snowboarding.  it would be kind of like worrying your board will snap as soon as you flex it, since wood typically does not flex that much.  everything has been engineered for snowboarding, no worries
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  Quote Migoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/04/2013 at 1:34am
Bit of a thread revival/jack but...

Planning on taking a 2010 Malolo to Japan, + my machete. Only want to take 1 set of bindings, which will be Unions.

Do I just need the retro disks from burton? or the disk from Union? Don't really care where I get it from, just want best fit for bolts etc.

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first of all, have fun in Japan!  seriously.... it's a hell of a place to snowboard, and I'm jealous.  but I digress...

you may already know a lot of this, but I'm going to be general for everyone.  2010 burton boards still had the old channel, so you need the original channel disk, where the male hardware is in the channel, and the female hardware is on top of the disk.  union's channel disks are for 2011 and newer only (the new channel with new hardware).

burton disks fit in unions, though at first you usually have to push them in, and they sort of snap into place.  the teeth line up and it is solid, so don't worry.  the only thing is that since the female hardware sticks up a bit, it pushes up on the union accelerator (the thing that covers the mounting disk).  it depends on the union model, though.  with forces and some others, it will push up on the disk and you can feel it under your foot's arch.  it may not bother you, but when I was doing that with older forces, I drilled underneath the accelerators to create space for the hardware to fit up into, so as not to push up on the accelerator.  if you have newer unions, like the atlas for example, the accelerator padding goes all the way through in certain spots, and it seems like that old channel hardware doesn't affect it much, so you can just put them on and go.

if you need any other help with this, let me know.  I have done this for years and have figured things out by trial and error (well.... really, I never had a single error).  and if you ever need any of these disks or hardware and can't get them at your local shop, I'm more than happy to supply whatever you need.

this is the disk and hardware I'm talking about


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  Quote Migoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec/04/2013 at 6:28pm
Awesome, I'll get hold of some off Burton and see how the bolt heads fit.
Cheers mate. Dying to get on the snow there. Particularly since it's getting f'ing hot here in Aus.
 
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