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    Posted: Feb/27/2014 at 6:10pm
I'm currently riding a Rome Boneless limited edition, or was until the top sheet cracked.. The board was amazing most flexible board i had ever rode, way more flex than a Rome artifact Rocker and could still land solid. Anyway I'm looking for a new board now and I'm thinking about getting a Rome Hammerhead love the flex rating, really love the shape. But now that I'm learning 7's I'm getting a little concerned about washout. Any input is welcome and hammerhead reviews would be awesome (only found 1 so far)
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  Quote OneInOrange Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2014 at 2:30pm
The salomon salomander doesn't look bad either.
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  Quote Lux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2014 at 6:18pm
I've owned the Rome Artifact Rocker before and after it received Quick Rip sidecut extensions... overall, it was always a decent snowboard that was very playful and pliable. I'm aware that the Boneless is even more noodly than the Artifact, and the Hammerhead is almost identical to it. I've had over 50 days on my Artifact Rocker and I feel like I've pretty much mapped out all of the board's potential.

I don't know what you're talking about when you say it could "land solid", because my Artifact absolutely did not do that. I know it's not my riding because, on the same day, I could do the same switch frontside 360 off the same jump line on my friend's K2 WWW and stick the landing perfectly every time, with my hands in my pockets.

The Artifact is too soft for jumps; it feels lifeless and doesn't pop off the lip of a kicker very well, and landings often feel like a diceroll. Not the type of snowboard for air time. The Quick Rip sidecut radii improve carving on groomers and holding the edge on icy patches, but offers no benefit on jumps.

The more sensible option from Rome is the Agent and Agent Rocker. Top quality snowboards that can do it all, big and small without feeling unnaturally soft or excessively stiff. A snowboard being lifeless and bent the wrong way (rocker) are, in my book, two strikes inconducive to safe jumping. My suggestion, if you like a soft snowboard, is to get one with traditional camber-- it will help retain good pop and edge hold for the kickers while still being pressable when you need it.

Some soft-/medium-flexing park boards with good jump performance are:
Lobster Jib Baord
DC Ply 
Arbor Del Rey
Rome Reverb/Reverb Rocker
Rome Agent Rocker
K2 WWW 
Nitro T1.5
Salomon Villain 
Arbor Westmark
Capita Thunderstick

Moving upwards in the stiffness scale and more pop, some examples for going even bigger on massive kickers are:
Rome Agent
Ride DH 
Ride Machete GT
Salomon Sabatoge
Flow Quantum
Rome Mod
DC Mega
Nitro Eero
Capita Defenders of Awesomeness
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I've never riden a camber board, that could be why i think I'm landing solid. I reverb once in a while, but I've gotten use to it seemed like a normal thing. Oddly enough i was also looking at the lobster nosejob, but it only came in above 151 I'm more of a 147.
Few questions

the hammerhead is almost identical to the artifact???

And Are butters and jibbing just as easy on a camber? I'm not sure If I can sacrifice my presses.
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  Quote Lux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2014 at 10:42pm
Yup, Rome Hammerhead is very similar to Rome Artifact Rocker. They the flex almost same and they both "fold" in the same place between the binding inserts-- the cores are softer in the same spot. Main differences on the Hammerhead are the massive tips, the rocker profile is modified for locking presses easier, and the edge/sidecuts have been shortened substantially. Because of some of these changes, the Hammerhead is a totally unstable board unless you keep your speed down. If given the choice, I would recommend the Artifact Rocker over the Hammerhead. Rome makes really good snowboards, but the Hammerhead is their science experiment and WTF moment.

You ride some small-sized snowboards! You and I weigh the same, but 147 is way low for our weight. Yes, it makes it a lot more playful and fun to slide around, but when you want to lock it down or send it big off a kicker, it will work against you. Try going up a few sizes, like 150 and above.

Jibbing favours softer boards that can mould around the shape of the rail, most people find it easier with a soft snowboard. Reverse camber is popular for this because it's more forgiving to slide onto or off of the feature without catching an edge. But it is not a requirement and the difference isn't that big.

If you really want a noodle, try the Artifact regular camber model. The camber will at least breathe a little extra response into the board, but I really think the Agent or Agent Rocker would be a better choice for you in the long run when the jumps get bigger.

For pressing and butters: flex doesn't matter and camber doesn't matter. Balance and technique are the only factors. Below is a video of me pressing my Salomon Man's Board 156, which is a stiff directional twin-- no gimmicks, no bullshit, just a straightforward, properly sized, full camber snowboard. It was recorded on Wednesday. You'll see what I mean by balance and technique; for obvious reasons, I couldn't do the grab...



Proper tail block with a working arm, same board:

(^ a friend was borrowing my Artifact Rocker that day)

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That might be why i like the hammerhead so much that WTF science experiment sounds crazy.

147 is small?!? im 5'6 weighing in at 130, I was even thinking of sizing down to a 145 boneless at the time

Also i always hear flex doesn't matter and camber doesn't matter, but i could easily feel the difference from the artifact to the boneless. Just the slightest lean would bring it up about 6 inches. I could practically tail block on rails. Its true you can flex any board if you have the skill, but it takes so much more effort and focus to balance (to me at least). Also btw that tail block on that board was hard enough without the broken arm given you props for that one.

The K2 www you recommended looked awesome (you could size down 5cm?!)and the regular artifact is nice, but solid black? wish they tried on the graphics, what do you think of the salomonder is flat camber alright for medium jumps? maybe ill suck it up and get a jib and jump board
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  Quote Lux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb/28/2014 at 11:34pm
Salomon Salomonder is definitely more pressable than the K2 WWW, and the WWW has really good pop for a jib board. Both boards felt pretty much the same when shuffling around the hill, but when you want to lean deeper onto your edge or catch some air, the Salomonder just doesn't have the same stability. Also, I felt the WWW started off as more of a medium flex, but after a few weeks, it will break in to its proper softness. 

For pressing, the K2's flex points are outside of the bindings towards the tips while it's a consistent bend between the feet. By the way, the board in my profile pic is a WWW 154. 

Can't go wrong with the K2, it's a good choice for jibs and definitely good on medium jumps; it'll do it all unless you want to send it huge spinning off of an XL kicker. Two of my buddies have bought WWW on my recommendation and they love it. 147 cm looks like the right size for you; my buddy weighs 128 pounds and rides a 147 cm WWW.
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  Quote bataleon155 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/01/2014 at 11:32am
not hating but salomon men's board is a hybrid board, not a full camber board by any means. but a good board for sure.

rocker board make pressing a no brainier, doesn't mean you have the technique down your sleeves though.

and yes, 147 is a small board even i rode a 154 when i weighted 145 few years back(same height at 5'7 but packed another 15lb of meat now). well, but having see plenty of people riding short boards all over the mountain, so what do i know.

check out slash paxson (my bad, always had that name stuck in my head for some reason) if you seek the playfulness of rocker but stability of the camber board. i found zero camber/flat camber work pretty well.
hmmm... Now What???   
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The K2 www looks like my best bet, i just wish graphics didnt matter to me the salomander 2013 looks sick. Guess ill suck it up, and get performance over looks. Or get 2..

and i couldn't find anything on the slash saxton anyway typo? Also i found that when i size down my 3s and 5s are just so much faster and easier to spin and grab (nosegrabs) could just be preference longer boards do give more stable landings though..
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  Quote vicente Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/01/2014 at 7:23pm
if you're after a noodle check out the thrive accomplice as well super soft but amazing poppy for the flex. to soft for my liking but I don't like anything less then about a 5 or 6 ever. 

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As much as i love noodles, i think i need a board that can handle at least medium jumps without worrying about washing or breaking the board . But i also still want to be able to butter relatively easily.. right now im looking at k2 happy hour which im worried is to stiff and large for what im used to (151) and the k2 www which seems kind of plan.
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  Quote Lux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/02/2014 at 9:28pm
I should have taken a photo of my buddy who took out his WWW today. I showed him how to do tail block today and he was busting them out for the next 6 hours. One notable feature of the K2 WWW is that the tips are kicked out more than other park boards, so it will float in powder pretty well if needed, and tail blocks are easier because you can sit all of your weight on that larger tip cross section and tweak the grab extremely easily.

Also, this guy's video review of the WWW will confirm everything I've described about the board:

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not hating but salomon men's board is a hybrid board, not a full camber board by any means. but a good board for sure.
It's almost all regular camber except a 5-centimetre flattened out section on either end before scooping up into the long, powder-shaped tips. They call it "Hybrid Camber". Bullshit. It's traditional camber. Turns, carves, and ollies like a traditional camber. The "hybrid" claim is a marketing ploy to beckon misinformed buyers with the allure of having the "best of both worlds", which doesn't exist. The same unfortunate misnomer befalls the Flow Quantum, DC Ply, DC Mega, Capita DOA, and many other technical park boards. Brochure claims one thing, my feet tell me a different reality.
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  Quote bataleon155 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/02/2014 at 10:54pm
i don't really care how they called them, hybrid, c2, whatever. at the end of the day, we both agreed it's not a full camber board. 
hmmm... Now What???   
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everyone tends to have their preferences for park boards, the trick is knowing what you like.  I have heard people tell me that certain boards couldn't do certain things.  While not completely correct, there are many boards that offer benefits to certain types of riding.  I have taken the 147 Artifact Rocker off some large jumps and I have taken the same size boards in 2 feet of powder.  While not ideal for either, it still works.  If you like the soft short boards, stick with them.  If you want to try something new, go for it.  I ride a 155 rockered thrive board right now, I take it everywhere from rails to powder and jumps.

It's personal preference.  Ride what you like and don't let anyone tell you different.
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  Quote OneInOrange Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/03/2014 at 1:07pm
Thanks for the help, and i looks like i'm staying with a short noodle because ROME warranty is actually replacing my board!! when i made this post i was expecting the worst. I still might go buy a new board anyway since all this searching has tempted me too much haha
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