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    Posted: Mar/19/2007 at 9:34pm
i went to big bear today after i waxed my board and found out that wax is bad for spring snow. I was told the wax grabs dirt and piles it on the wax. I noticed that after my board slowed down after a few runs.  I took it to the repair shop and they took a base cleaner and cleaned the base. It made my base look dry and white.  I took it on another run and i flew past a lot of guys. Is this bad that im riding on a dried out board?...just wasted waxCry

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2007 at 10:31pm
Yes it is bad, you should always have some kind of wax on your board. There are tons of companies that put out warm weather wax!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2007 at 10:45pm
yeah i used an all-temp bluebird wax, dirt just kept on building up

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/19/2007 at 10:48pm
Yea.  Just get some warm weather wax.  Won't need anything else for the rest of the season anyway.  Plus it should be 40-50% off since it's so late.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/20/2007 at 3:49am
wax usually isn't on sale too much especially warm weather wax at local shops. this is the only time of year except November or October, when you use warm weather wax.

or just do what i do, i spit on my base or use KY jelly... provides all the extra glide i need.Big%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/20/2007 at 6:56pm
Originally posted by yn0t

yeah i used an all-temp bluebird wax, dirt just kept on building up


make sure u scrape thouroughly. once i was lazy and didnt do a good job and after riding my whole base was disgusting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/20/2007 at 8:39pm
I agree, you may have had too much wax on the bottom. If you leave thick patches, these tend to move around and attract dirt. It will slow you down.
 
Although many people like to leave a thick layer for longetivity, I scrape off everything.
 
Do you have a sintered or extruded base?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/20/2007 at 10:24pm
^^^^ yeah, i've done that a few times on my older boards. i got real lazy, my board was in desperate need of wax, didn't have a whole lot of time or was too tired to scrape and polish, so i just left the wax on there and let the snow and groomed trails to the "scraping" for me. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/20/2007 at 10:33pm

Sometimes the snow is sooo abrasive it cuts the wax for you. I have read that the summer camp racers use this philsophy. They wax to keep all the chemicals and such from destroying their base, not to go fast.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/20/2007 at 10:53pm
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I agree, you may have had too much wax on the bottom. If you leave thick patches, these tend to move around and attract dirt. It will slow you down.
 
Although many people like to leave a thick layer for longetivity, I scrape off everything.
 
Do you have a sintered or extruded base?
 
is a GNU CHB i think its an extruded base

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/21/2007 at 6:13pm
Yup! the GNU CHB has an extruded base.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/21/2007 at 7:12pm
Is that good? Bad? Good and bad? Sexy? Ugly? What?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/21/2007 at 7:24pm
Generally, extruded is cheaper, and breaks down easier.  However it is also easier to repair.  In comparison, if a base is sintered (instead of extruded), it is higher quality and doesnt break down as easily.  However it is also more difficult to repair. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/22/2007 at 6:43pm

It isn't a super big deal, but the difference is just in the manufacuring. With extruded bases, they basically melt the material down and squeze it through a die into narrow sheets. It is cheap, quick, and gets the job done.

A sintered base is made of very small "pellets" but pressed together under high pressure. The result is a porous and very dense material.
 
Since it is porous, it tends to absorb wax, where an extruded base tends to sick on the surface without absorbing. I was guessing this may have been the issue.
 
Again, no worries. Extruded bases are common, I have used them, and they are easy to fix.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/22/2007 at 9:44pm
Kinda off topic, but I've been wondering, since last time I went boarding with wax, no dirt came up on my board, but everyone else's board had loads of it (which were also waxed with the same wax), how do Salomon's "Zeolit" bases compare to the others?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/24/2007 at 11:22am
Originally posted by Nick

Kinda off topic, but I've been wondering, since last time I went boarding with wax, no dirt came up on my board, but everyone else's board had loads of it (which were also waxed with the same wax), how do Salomon's "Zeolit" bases compare to the others?

I have no idea what Zeolit is, but most additives are in there to lower the coefficient of friction and give you more glide... and I've heard the Burner is very fast.  My guess would be either that the your friends rode through dirt and you didn't or the zeolit has a slight repulsion affect in the p-tex, which applies to dirt as well as water/snow... though it's hard to say without knowing what kind of boards your friends had (sintered or extruded, kinds of additives, etc).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/24/2007 at 11:28am

I have swix all temp wax but should I buy some warm weather wax before I head to CO for the first part of April??  I mean is there a huge difference in all temp and warm weather wax????

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/24/2007 at 11:56am
i had all-temp wax and i found it fine in 60 weather... it did get sluggish at Sierra-At-Tahoe when the temps hit 70's...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/25/2007 at 8:58am
Originally posted by Nick

Kinda off topic, but I've been wondering, since last time I went boarding with wax, no dirt came up on my board, but everyone else's board had loads of it (which were also waxed with the same wax), how do Salomon's "Zeolit" bases compare to the others?
 
I haven't demo'd boards with the "Zeolit" bases this time of year, so I couldn't give you an exact opinion on their dirt and grime repellency (new word Smile). Boards that have come into the shop, etc haven't shown massive dirt build-up. I believe that base technology was designed more towards frictional reduction and durability. Please correct me if there is any more.
 
Personally, and this may seem a bit bone-headed, I try not to get caught up into the funky names that companies put onto their bases. A lot of the really cool names are just for show. Really, most of the bases are made by like 3 or 4 manufactures in the world. P-Tex and Durasurf are two that immediately come to mind. Everyone of these bases claims to improve speed and increase durability, but that is what we want out of any base, right? Without actual data sheets, it becomes hard to compare one base against another.
 
For instance, look at the P-Tex 900 base on Salomon boards. It sounds sweet, but the P-Tex 900 is actually an extruded base. Not necessarily a bad thing, but 900 sounds better.
 
Don't get me wrong, the boards with the "Zeolit" are sweet, but I can't find any hard evidence claiming they are better for dirt repelling and such.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/25/2007 at 11:39am
Originally posted by brodster

Originally posted by Nick

Kinda off topic, but I've been wondering, since last time I went boarding with wax, no dirt came up on my board, but everyone else's board had loads of it (which were also waxed with the same wax), how do Salomon's "Zeolit" bases compare to the others?
 
I haven't demo'd boards with the "Zeolit" bases this time of year, so I couldn't give you an exact opinion on their dirt and grime repellency (new word Smile). Boards that have come into the shop, etc haven't shown massive dirt build-up. I believe that base technology was designed more towards frictional reduction and durability. Please correct me if there is any more.
 
Personally, and this may seem a bit bone-headed, I try not to get caught up into the funky names that companies put onto their bases. A lot of the really cool names are just for show. Really, most of the bases are made by like 3 or 4 manufactures in the world. P-Tex and Durasurf are two that immediately come to mind. Everyone of these bases claims to improve speed and increase durability, but that is what we want out of any base, right? Without actual data sheets, it becomes hard to compare one base against another.
 
For instance, look at the P-Tex 900 base on Salomon boards. It sounds sweet, but the P-Tex 900 is actually an extruded base. Not necessarily a bad thing, but 900 sounds better.
 
Don't get me wrong, the boards with the "Zeolit" are sweet, but I can't find any hard evidence claiming they are better for dirt repelling and such.

I'm curious how much of a difference there is between different company's standards...

As I understand it, the base number is supposed to stand for the molecular weight, higher number = denser, more durable, more wax absorption.  My Axum has a 7200 sintered base, while the Special has a 4000 based (with "Gallium" additive).  That Finch I rode a while back also had a 7200 base.  My Special is CLEARLY faster than my Axum, and I don't notice a huge difference between pure speed on base of the Finch and the Special (though I rode them in very different snow conditions).  So I'm curious if those numbers have any actual meaning or if they're just marketing bs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/25/2007 at 12:13pm
my vote is that the #s are meaningful to a certain degree, but everyone uses different ratings and #s so it ends up being mainly marketing bs.

kinda like waterproof ratings. i feel that one company's 10,000 is another company's 5,000.

went today. super springy. didn't wax. hit the park... bad idea.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/25/2007 at 1:02pm
I think hoon nailed on the head. Yes, the numbers probably relate to something. And they are probably the most valid part of the whole mess. My point just being that people shouldn't get too wrapped up in some of the company created names.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/25/2007 at 9:18pm
Personally, and this may seem a bit bone-headed, I try not to get caught up into the funky names that companies put onto their bases. A lot of the really cool names are just for show. Really, most of the bases are made by like 3 or 4 manufactures in the world. P-Tex and Durasurf are two that immediately come to mind. Everyone of these bases claims to improve speed and increase durability, but that is what we want out of any base, right? Without actual data sheets, it becomes hard to compare one base against another.
 
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking, but not entirely because many people I know claim that Zeolit bases are quicker than anything else they've rode. I can't really say I agree because, well, I've never been on anything else! Wink
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