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  Quote mistermfive Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Waterproofness of Outerwear?
    Posted: Sep/23/2006 at 5:25pm
I've checked out both Burton and Bonfire, though there are still more outerwear to come and the problem in making a decision is that I tend to do a lot of snowboarding where there is a lot of slush like at Grouse Mountain.  I 15,000mm for a coat and pants enought with 10,000g breathability?  will the water eventually soak through let's say if you your just sitting in the slushy snow?  I know that Gortex is totally waterproof but dammit, the one's from Burton and Bonfire with Gortex material are very plain jackets and they are very thin...  unless any of you guys know some coats with a Gortex outerlayer and down-filling which i really can't find anywere.  I dont know why Burton/Bonfire doens't make a pimped out coat with nice@ss designs of Gortex fabric and inner-layer of goose down filling, they really shoud.
  any opinions pplr?   thanks
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  Quote Jared Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/23/2006 at 6:27pm
Well lets address the issue of a super water-proof material such as Gor-tex with goose down or synthetic fill first.  In order for those insulating materials to maintain their insulating characteristics, they need to have proper ventilation.  This has kept a ceiling on the waterproofing materials used on those jackets to around 10,000 mm.  I would caution anyone that says they want a jacket for use around slushy snow away from an insulated jacket, because a temperature that's warm enough to melt snow is a temperature that's too warm for insulation.  A jacket and pant combo around 15,000mm should be plenty to keep you dry in most of those conditions (just don't sit in the middle of the runs, you're snowboarding dangit).  Thanks for the question.
 
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  Quote BethH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/24/2006 at 2:23pm
And to answer your question on why the Gor-tex fabrics are so plain. Almost all the companies out there have very plain gor-tex jackets. Most people who are buying that technical of a jacket aren't looking to be flashy on the hill. They want it for the features. A gor-tex jacket doesn't need insulation beacuse of the breathability of the jacket and the 3 layer laminent that is used to construct the jacket...I know it seems weird that a non-insulated jacket can keep you warm but it can. Also most people who where gor-tex are all about wearing the proper layers: a great base layer, a secind layer that is usually fleece and then their jacket. I think a 15k mm with 10k breathability will be fine....like Jared said don't spend the day sitting in the snow. Clap
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  Quote BethH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/24/2006 at 2:38pm

check out Burton's AK 3L jacket. It comes in Lemon Head Yellow and Psycho Stripe Print. And the AK 2L jacket that one is a Gor-tex fabric in the Half life Print...trust me this one is not borring.Cool

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  Quote mistermfive Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/24/2006 at 4:15pm
thanks guys for such a quick reply!  yah, i don't intend to sit in the snow too much but sometimes when im waiting for friends, im usually sitting down to rest my legs and wait for them to get to the chairlift.  if it is quite a warm day, i find after a while of waiting for them, my pants starts to get wet.  i will heed the advice and either go for 15000mm waterproof or else the Bonfire Mission which is 3L gore-tex, check this out: http://www.bonfiresnow.com/1-catalog/products_detail.aspx?id=1300

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  Quote zagfan5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/25/2006 at 3:07pm
just get some waterproofing spray

this is the stuff i use, and it works great

http://www.rutabaga.com/product.asp?pid=1013921
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  Quote nspusmc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/25/2006 at 3:50pm
I just grabbed Sessions gore-tex pant 05-06.  for 140.  That should allow you to sit in slush if you have to.  I agree with the staff.  Base layer, Fleece/hoody, outerwear.
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  Quote SnowAce Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/30/2006 at 4:28pm
Originally posted by zagfan5

just get some waterproofing spray

this is the stuff i use, and it works great

http://www.rutabaga.com/product.asp?pid=1013921


do you spray it on every time u ride or once every season?
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  Quote Dr. Nu-Nu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/01/2006 at 6:55am
You don't have to spray it every time... every couple of times or when you feel the need for it.... of course you can spray it, like the ppl who like to wax their boards every time they ride..
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  Quote SnowAce Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/01/2006 at 1:04pm
hmmm, Well I just bought my new jacket n pants and they should be plenty waterproof lol

but If not ill pick some of that stuff up and give it a try
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  Quote gsrrr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/01/2006 at 6:20pm
i use some scotch guard on some old pants that started to lose their waterproofness.  pants still works fine. i save those for friends who dont have their own pair of pants.  
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  Quote SnowAce Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/01/2006 at 6:52pm
yeah thats a good idea...
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  Quote zagfan5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/02/2006 at 6:21pm
idk how often your supposed do it

i do it every 5 or so times i go

i spray the whole pant at the beggining of the season and then during the season i just spray the butt, knees and down by the ankles.(where it gets wet the most)

it works pretty well


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  Quote gsrrr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/02/2006 at 10:48pm
i havent had the need to spray any scotch guard on my newer pants (ronin cargo) yet. i had to spray my previous pair though (ronin vent).
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  Quote zagfan5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/04/2006 at 6:39pm
ooo ronins are nice

i got some k2 pants

they work fine as long as i spray em

they got some nice vents too!

http://www.the-house.com/k24sj04pzzk2synthjuxtpant.html
that a link to em
i got em in the gray
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  Quote Dr. Nu-Nu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/04/2006 at 6:47pm
oooh that's taboo zagfan5... posting to another competitor's website Shocked
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  Quote zagfan5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/04/2006 at 6:59pm
yeah it is, but sierra doesnt have my pants on their site, so posting another site was my next option

sry sierra
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  Quote Dr. Nu-Nu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/05/2006 at 5:15am
haha, i guess that's acceptable if sierra doesn't have it... send them requests about things you might want to see and maybe they'll add them..
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  Quote zagfan5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/05/2006 at 11:20am
ya thats a good idea
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  Quote cantbeyou Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/05/2006 at 3:01pm
I have a few pair of 5000mm waterproof pants that are pretty nice. I also used a waterproof spray on them and didn't ever get wet. I sat down often and got on my knees waiting for people to catch up for 1-2 minutes at a time. The worst that happened was just my butt getting a little cold. I just sprayed them once last winter and they were fine (boarded like 10 days total)
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  Quote Dr. Nu-Nu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/05/2006 at 7:15pm
you guys are getting pretty interested in this spray.. not sure what X mm my pants are, but sometimes when i sit on the snow waiting for my friends, i can feel it slowly gettting moist... lucky for me i have an inner fleece lining on my pants so i have to be sitting there for like 30-40 minutes.
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  Quote zagfan5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/05/2006 at 9:59pm
Originally posted by Nu-Nu

you guys are getting pretty interested in this spray.. not sure what X mm my pants are, but sometimes when i sit on the snow waiting for my friends, i can feel it slowly gettting moist... lucky for me i have an inner fleece lining on my pants so i have to be sitting there for like 30-40 minutes.


well give the spray a try

it doesnt even show

so its worth a try



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  Quote cantbeyou Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/06/2006 at 6:37am
if you try the spray, make sure you get a good quality kind. I bought a cheap bottle of no-named scotchguard at walmart and it ended up turning my a pair of my old gloves (black and gray) to a yellow green. kinda like this color Also try spraying it on a part of the clothing that isn't noticeable first to see what it will do. i woulda been pissed if i had sprayed it on my jacket first
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  Quote zagfan5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/06/2006 at 12:17pm
well this stuff doesnt discolor my cloths and there pretty standard

so i think mcnett has it on lock as far as the color staying goes
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  Quote cantbeyou Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/06/2006 at 6:36pm
yea, i've tried a few different kinds and that cheap kind was the only thing that did that. I will have to look for the mcnett kind and give that a try
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  Quote Dr. Nu-Nu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/08/2006 at 4:19am
Originally posted by cantbeyou

if you try the spray, make sure you get a good quality kind. I bought a cheap bottle of no-named scotchguard at walmart and it ended up turning my a pair of my old gloves (black and gray) to a yellow green. kinda like this color Also try spraying it on a part of the clothing that isn't noticeable first to see what it will do. i woulda been pissed if i had sprayed it on my jacket first


does it turn color as soon as u spray it on? or after a couple days/weeks of settling in?
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Scotch-gard and Nik Wax are both good ones to use
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  Quote mistermfive Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/09/2006 at 5:06pm
anybody here know the difference between "just" gore-tex gloves and ones that have gore-tex inserts?  i have been hounding around the internet and can't seem to find the bloody difference.  btw, this forum kicks @ss!
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  Quote zagfan5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct/10/2006 at 6:12pm
well the "just gore gloves" i think are all gore tex

and the ones with inserts well, just have inserts, not full


that my geuss

if your in the market for gloves, check out the dakine rovers or the burton ak glove
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yeah zag, Ive heard good things about the burton Ak 
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Originally posted by Nu-Nu


Originally posted by cantbeyou

if you try the spray, make sure you get a good quality kind. I bought a cheap bottle of no-named scotchguard at walmart and it ended up turning my a pair of my old gloves (black and gray) to a yellow green. kinda like this color [IMG]smileys/smiley11.gif" align="middle" /> Also try spraying it on a part of the clothing that isn't noticeable first to see what it will do. i woulda been pissed if i had sprayed it on my jacket first
does it turn color as soon as u spray it on? or after a couple days/weeks of settling in?


my gloves started turning after i sprayed them, but they were really noticeable after they dried
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