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"John 3:16" 
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Gender: Male
Age: 53
Languages: English
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Years Riding: 7
Average Days/Year: 13
Skill Level: picking up speed
Riding Style: all mountain
Area of Expertise: weekend warrior
Preferred Terrain: powder, groomers
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Boot Size: 8.5
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9/3/2015 2:23:07 PM Because I'm no longer under the law, but under grace. I'm trying to go through the list of arguments you've given, but the bottom line is a Christian is under no more obligation the keep the Sabbath than they are to keep the feasts or dietary laws or sacrifices, etc.[/QUOTE] Is there a Bible verse that says that since we are under grace that we no longer have to keep the Sabbath Day? I agree that we are not obligated to keep the feasts, sacrifices, and food restrictions. But none of those are part of the 10 Commandments, which I believe were not abolished under grace. Which other Commandment do we not have to keep any more? Murder, stealing, adultery, honoring parents, lying, having other gods, and/or worshiping idols? I think the answer is clear and simple, we keep all of them. Then, why is the Sabbath is the only one of the 10 that we don't? If being "under grace" is the reason, then we don't have to keep any of the 10 Commandments under grace?[/QUOTE]So, in order to hold your position you have to make a distinction between law and commandment and argue that the law is no longer in effect, while the commandments are still required for eternal life? 
8/20/2015 10:27:24 PM Because I'm no longer under the law, but under grace. I'm trying to go through the list of arguments you've given, but the bottom line is a Christian is under no more obligation the keep the Sabbath than they are to keep the feasts or dietary laws or sacrifices, etc.
8/16/2015 12:14:52 AM I'd like to try to respond to your arguments, but first I'd like to ask you some questions. 1. What do you think is the strongest argument/s you've raised in support of your view of the Sabbath?2. What do you think is the weakest argument/s you've raised in support of your view of the Sabbath?3. What is the purpose of the Sabbath?4. What did Jesus mean when said that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath?5. Since the law of the Sabbath only forbids work and does not demand worship, how does Sunday worship violate the law of the Sabbath?
7/4/2015 8:11:30 PM Happy 4th to everyone! God bless!
7/1/2015 12:28:26 AM Your list of reasons for keeping the Saturday sabbath:1. It's clear (in Mk 2) that keeping the commandments is directly related to salvation, and keeping the sabbath is one of the 10 Commandments.2. We shouldn't think some Roman emperor, who stopped worshiping on the Sabbath a few centuries later, thereby removing the Lord from the sabbath, knew better than Jesus and the Apostles.3. You agree, without grace, there is no salvation. There is also no faith without works. You would think part of "obedience" is obeying the 10 Commandments.4. It's not legalistic.5. All God wants from us with regard to the sabbath is to remember it and keep it holy.6. Jesus and the Apostles kept the sabbath, so why not us? 7. Jesus never only said that they're saved by grace. No, Jesus always tells them some things they must do. And this includes keeping the commandments. 8. The Bible doesn't say we just have to keep the sabbath in our hearts.9. The Bible doesn't say we can stop keeping the sabbath. 10. The Bible doesn't tell us to start going to church on Sundays. 11. Sunday worship is just taking the freedom and liberty of interpreting the Bible a little too far to suit our own needs and desires. 12. Faith without works is dead. And the work we do is by obeying God's commands, just like the patriarchs. 13. We have faith that God's commands are real, so we show our faith by following those commands. 14. Only those that do the will of God (Saturday sabbath) shall enter the kingdom of heaven. If we don't do His will (keep the sabbath on Saturday), but follow our own (Sunday sabbath), then we are those that practice lawlessness. What is God's will from the beginning? Obedience (Saturday sabbath). 15.  If you truly repent, then you will not continue to sin. But, continuing to ignore the 10 commandments that were handwritten by God = not obeying = sin = spiritual death = hell. 16. The 10 Commandments NEED to be followed. God wrote them Himself, in stone... 17. Many Christians today focus on love and neglect the commandments. 18. Sunday worship instead of Saturday is almost like a dad specifically asked for hot dogs for Father's Day, and got something else. 19. You really don't understand how so many preachers/pastors reading the Bible would ignore the the 4th commandment to keep the Sabbath and just hold services on Sunday. 20. Keeping the sabbath on Saturday is EASY! I've tried to list them chronologically. Let me know if I've missed anything.
6/5/2015 9:23:32 PM It seems that your logic is that instructions that were written in the OT, they don't NEED to be followed?
6/2/2015 12:57:02 AM Where is the instruction for how the sabbath is to be kept? If it's in the OT, who then has the responsibility of putting sabbath-breakers to death?
5/16/2015 2:23:38 AM I'm not asking IF, but HOW keeping the sabbath is directly related to salvation. How is the sabbath to be kept? How is it being violated?
5/14/2015 10:30:03 PM How does the keeping of the 10 Commandments bear on a person's salvation? Is it not Jesus Christ alone who saves us? Is he not Lord also of the sabbath? Did he not say that the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath (Mk 2:27)? Jesus criticized the Pharisees for not understanding God's view of the sabbath (Mt 12, Mk 2 & Lk 6). According to Jesus, what is the significance of the sabbath to your salvation?
5/14/2015 12:29:56 AM What has Stanley written that has caused you to "question the validity" of your salvation?
5/3/2015 11:40:36 AM "We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven.  We have been preserved, these many years, in peace and prosperity.  We have grown in numbers, wealth and power, as no other nation has ever grown.  But we have forgotten God.  We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own.  Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us!" Abraham Lincoln 1863
4/25/2015 1:04:17 AM I've seen the Secret Church mentioned on here before, but haven't really looked into it. Were you able to participate? If so, how was it?
4/5/2015 11:07:23 AM He is risen!! God bless everyone.
3/27/2015 11:21:02 PM Welcome and God bless!
2/23/2015 7:48:39 PM Stephen Hawking: "Religion is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark." To which John Lennox replied, "Atheism is a fairy story for people afraid of the light." 


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