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10/5/2012 10:09:35 AM i thought this was going to be an 80s or 70s thread... it's just SS deals. I'm just sad I only got the tail end of it.  Picked up 2 stunts for $99 each.  that was a good deal.  Spent over $5000 in the span of 8 months.
10/2/2012 7:47:23 AM seriously, go join the marines.  we could use more christians in the army.
10/2/2012 7:45:06 AM Such a drama queen. Whatever happened to "make sure you are doing what god wants you to do and not what the church wants you to do"? [/QUOTE]Sgreen, I feel our friend couldn't handle the truth. I was glad that he actually researched into my company instead of just spamming me with false information(like everybody loves to do). however, he gave up. because the deeper you dig into the truth, the more likely you will 'want in'. Same goes for reading the Bible. Atheists have read the Bible to 'prove it wrong', but ended up seeing the truth and accepting Christ into their life.[/QUOTE] Weak minds think alike.  No question.Just as you are blinded by religion, you are blinded by this scam. And I'm sure christians have never left the faith either.   I'm still waiting for you to stop spamming false information and research your company.
10/2/2012 7:38:57 AM You say Mela is not an MLM.  Then you compare it to Amway and the only difference (based on what YOU just said) is the amount of points you have to maintain.  You just admitted that Mela is an MLM but an easier to maintain one.  That is what you are saying.   Secondly, I can't believe you are saying I've accused you and your company based on uneducated and un-researched information.  I asked you for REAL comparisons between products via unbiased testing, asked you for ACTUAL price comparisons for the products based on volume, asked you for the chemical make up of the products. I've asked you for a REAL breakdown of costs/expenses vs what you make.  I got NOTHING from you except more useless propaganda about how great Mela's products are. I've provided you with links to alternatives such as home made solutions that are all natural and much less expensive.  I've attempted to show the prices of competing commercial products and I've asked follow on questions about the size of the bottle, effectiveness, etc.  (with no response from you).   I have presented statistics showing who is making money and who isn't.  I'm the one that pointed out the minimum mandatory spend.  I pointed out the enrollment fee.  I pointed out shipping costs.  Whereas you come on and make it sound like everyone is gonna make it rich (ie. you'll retire by 30 and laugh at me while making more money than me in a few months than I do in a year). Who's the one actually searching for truth here?  Who's the one throwing around uneducated/un-researched information (eg. less than 0.01% will decide to build their business)?   How can you tell me I've not done my research when I'm the only one putting up facts?  I could easily go your route and say my friend joined Mela and he has to give away all the crap he buys from them because he has to maintain 35pts and he doesn't use that much stuff.  Or about how he tried to cancel and they simply kept charging him and sending him product he didn't want because they make the cancellation process intentionally obfuscated.   Based on this, Mela is a bad company right?  Of course not.  Similarly they are not a good company just because you give me some story about not having to open windows when you clean. Here's what you should have provided.  I googled price comparison and found Mela's own site comparing products.  http://www.melaleuca.com/ProductStore/Content.aspx?Page=Compare I looked at the comparisons that were CLEARLY represented by volume and not by dilution.GatoradeIt says that the competitor price is from Albertsons.  I looked at Albertsons.  They are selling it for $0.88 per 32 fl. oz. bottle.  So 10 of them would be $8.80.  Mela's site lists it as $18.90!!  Why?  Compared to $10.99 for Mela's Sustain energy drink, that is $2.19 MORE.  Look at walmart.  8 pack of gatorade (20 fl. oz each) is $4.98.  So the equivalent 320 fl. oz is $9.96.  This is $1.03 less than Mela's Sustain.  Loreal ShampooIt says the price is from drugstore.com.  $5.99 on drugstore.com (it says it is on sale but honestly, no one pays full retail anyway).  Mela lists it for $6.99 (which is what the non-sale price is).  Looking at Walmart, this product is $5.67 at regular price.  Yeah, this is still more expensive and you get less than Mela's Afinia shampoo.  But, why is Mela comparing themselves with Loreal?  Again, looking at walmart, a 13oz bottle of sulfate free organic shampoo is only $4.74 compared to Mela's $4.99.  This is $0.25 more. Any example on Mela's site will have an alternative at a cheaper price.  Think about it.  Walmart is the biggest retailer in the world.  Don't you think they will have the best buying power?  Don't you think the products at Mela will have a huge markup if they are paying their "distributors" 7% for 7 levels???  Use some reasoning and logic. Don't accuse me of throwing around uneducated/un-researched information.  Look in the mirror.  
10/1/2012 11:56:25 AM Sorry, I'm not in the business of de-brainwashing.  You are too far gone.   I can only hope you see the light sooner rather than later and don't condemn too many of your family and friends to this scam.  The sad part is, you don't even know you are scamming your friends and family.  You honestly think this is good for them.
10/1/2012 7:07:48 AM 1. It is 100% an MLM.  All MLMs try to represent themselves as something else.  I'll admit their model is slightly less evil since their payout structure is better than most other MLMs.  However, less evil is still evil. 2.  Making the financial outcome of a few at the top as a goal is exactly what Mela does.  Again, GO LOOK AT THE INCOME STATEMENT.  From their own income statement... a. 98.4% of Mela customers/distributors/whatever you call them, makes less than $2054 per year BEFORE their mandatory points spending (which is about $900 per year).  This includes everyone up to Director I/II b. 85.3% of them make less than $2054 per year even if you only consider those who are serious about building a business. c. 0.5% of them (or 4.5% of the serious business builders) make it to Senior Director and above.  This is the level needed to retire since it is average $62k per year (minus expenses). d. less than 0.011% of them (or less than 0.1% of serious business builders) can be considered "rich" Isn't it clear that only a FEW people are making money on Mela?  Isn't it clear that even of those who are making money, even fewer of them are going to make enough to retire?  3. According to your profile, you are 21.  If it takes 9 years to make $400 per month to make enough for payments (not even to buy a new car), you are doing it wrong.  Minimum wage in Pennsylvania is $7.25 per hour.  If you wanted $400 a month, that is only 55 hours per month or less than 14 hours per week.  You can do that today... why wait until you're 30?  How many hours do you need to put in to make $400 a month on Mela AFTER your mandatory points spending? Here's a fun fact, if you worked minimum wage for 1 hour per day for 9 years, you will have made almost $24000.  By the time you are 30, you will have made enough money to buy the car in cash.  Could you do that with Mela?  FYI.  The hall mark brainwashing theme of MLMs is thata. "they are not like other MLMs"b. "you have to work hard"c. "you won't get rich overnight"d. "you failed because you didn't work hard." But then they turn around and tell you that you'll retire by 30.  How stupid do you have to be to fall for this? 4./5.  Back to the products, I still haven't seen a price comparison.  You insisted earlier that Mela products were a good deal. I might ignore the price aspect because some might be willing to pay more if there is a REAL health benefit.  But, I want some independent testing showing that the products are actually better. Hearing how good the products are from the sales guy who makes a commission off the product doesn't really sell it for me.  It's a conflict of interest.  Regarding cleaners, you do know that there are home made solutions that are probably equally as effective (or close to) as store bought commercial stuff right?  IF you had such a bad health problem with those commercial cleaners, why didn't you just research how to clean stuff naturally?  It is MUCH cheaper that way too. I will bet the following will be even healthier than Mela products.http://www.making-healthy-choices.com/homemade-cleaning-products.htmlhttp://www.making-healthy-choices.com/homemade-cleaning-products.htmlhttp://www.mycleaningproducts.com/blog/house-cleaning-supplies/http://recentlyawakened.hubpages.com/hub/Top-5-Reasons-To-Use-Homemade-Cleaning-Products MLMs work because people are gullible.   And since MLMs prey on gullible people to make money, they are evil.
9/27/2012 7:48:23 AM Ask your friends and family for money.  It's less work and is essentially what MLMs are...[/QUOTE]MLM, not Melaleuca.[/QUOTE]LAUGH NOW! because when I turn 30 i'll be retiring...I'll be earning more residual income in a few months than you make in a year. Money I won't have to work for...ever again.[/QUOTE] This is why MLMs are evil.  They have convinced you that you will be living the dream when we all KNOW, even from their own material (income statement), that most people will not make enough money to quit their job let alone make more money in a few months than I do in a year. From their own stats.  2.5% of the serious business builders (11% of the total) makes an average of $62k per year (Senior director).  This is the level you need to quit your day job.  Now let's look at how much money you'll need before you make more than I do in a few months.  I'm not telling you how much I make, let's just assume I make $62k.  To make that in 4 months (what I consider a few), you need an annual income of $186k.  Even at Executive director level, you are only at $153k average and only 1.4% of them make that kind of money. Trust me.  You won't be retiring by 30.  You'll quit this program having spent more than you get in return.  And you will have condemned all those that you signed up to the same fate.
9/27/2012 7:37:32 AM 1. Still to be proven.  I challenge you to come up with independent tests/reviews of the products.  Look for chemical make up to compare to equivalent products to see what's in there.  DO YOUR HOMEWORK.  Don't just believe what MEL marketing propoganda tells you. 2. Feeling healthier is likely just a placebo effect.  See point #1 But I'm glad you acknowledge you are losing money rather than denying that you are "in the whole". 3. Still to be proven.  You haven't shown me you are saving money at all.  Similar products are the same or less money especially given the fact that you have to pay for shipping.  See point #1. 4. Still just a baseless claim.  Still to be proven.  See point #1. 5. So you averaged about $75 per month ($900 per year).  I would agree what you've spent over the 4 months is not that much if you were allowed to stop buying.  Clearly, by your statement that you are "Buying all the products at one time" means you have purchased MORE than you needed for that period.  When you are forced to continue buying every month, then your supply continues to grow and grow so that you'll never use it all.  Buying more than you need = wasting money.  Not saving. 6. Still waiting for the comparison.  If I would "instantly see the savings" why can't you show me a real comparison. 7. You intentionally mis-represented your true earnings/loss.  You said you were "not in the whole" and you said "I will earn $500 this month".  The fact is you ARE in the hole and you might not make your $500 this month because you still have to sign up 3 more customers. 8. You will have the OPPORTUNITY to earn.  That means nothing.  That's the problem with MLM.  They try to make you believe YOU will be earning that kind of money.  Clearly you have fallen for it.  In some states, it is ILLEGAL to make claims of potential revenue.  In other states, you can make a claim but you MUST indicate what the average income level is.  In this case, the average Director level 1/2 makes $2054 per year GROSS (you still have to pay your $900 a year to buy the products).   You are left with roughly $1000 per year.  Pretty crappy job if you ask me. 9.  You will earn that residual income assuming your customers don't bail (which a lot will). 10.  Thank you for explaining MLM to me.  
9/27/2012 7:01:43 AM Re: Product comparison.1. You didn't compare the prices of the actual products2. You also have to compare the effectiveness of the product.3. You did not provide the size of the product for the price.4. Diluting is not a valid comparison since you can dilute to 6 to 1 or 10 to 1 to generate your desired price level.  It is about effectiveness (point 2) a. Lemon Brite $4 vs. Dawn (walmart) $3.97 for 38ozb. Tub n Tile $5.69 vs. Cascade.  I could not find a Cascade bathroom cleaner from Walmart.  Tilex is $3.98 for 32ozc. Renew Hand Lotion - no price provided. When doing a comparison of the products to know if you are getting a deal, you need to compare price/volume, effectiveness, etc. You still haven't shown how MEL is any better or cheaper than going to Walmart (especially since there is a shipping cost you need to add on to the products). Re: Business Building1.  You defined business building as "refer people to MEL"  - your own words.  2.  I don't think you read MEL's income statement that I linked before.  If you had read the income statement, you will know that 27% refer people from time to time.  11% are serious about "building a business".   11% is still MUCH more (1100 times) than 0.01% ----Whoever told you these stats is lying to you or is ignorant. 
9/24/2012 11:51:04 AM Ask your friends and family for money.  It's less work and is essentially what MLMs are...
9/24/2012 11:49:25 AM You want to have a REAL discussion and not just throw around useless statements like "they are the only company that has TRUE RESIDUAL INCOME!"?  (BTW, all MLMs have true residual income.  That's the point of an MLM).  Let me start with a link to the income statement from Melaleuca ("MEL").  This is published by MEL themselves.  2011 Income Statement.  Or, for your reference, here is the 2010 Income Statement 1. Anyone can also distort facts to make a company look good.  And in some cases, like this one, some may even lie or make up facts.  See point (4) below. 2. The number of times a customer reorders is not a measure of whether or not this is an MLM.  The funny thing is you are comparing customer reorder rate of MEL to other MLMs.  Does this not imply that you consider MEL an MLM?  Also, you say they (MEL), are at the top of their class.  Class of what?  MLMs?  Does this not also imply they are an MLM?  Clearly it is an MLM.3. Amazing products?  I don't have access to their products and prices but I would challenge you to do some research on the ingredients of the products and look at prices for alternatives.  Also look for some independent tests of these products compared to regular brands.4. The actual FACT is that 38% of MEL customers refer others... substantially more than "less than .01%" 5. This is exactly what ALL of these MLM company's teach their "reps" to say.  Very consistent.6. I am not saying what I "think".  I am stating facts.  You are actually saying what you "think" and not providing any (real) facts. Here are some more numbers for you to mull over from the income statement... Out of the 11% that MEL says are serious about building a "business" (ie. Director and above), 85.3% have an average income of $2054 per year and takes roughly 7 months to get to that level. Let's look at the costs... 1. $29 enrollment fee2. 35pts minimum purchase to maintain membership is about $60 per month = $720 per year3. average shipping cost $7 per order per month = $84 per year So you pull in roughly $100 per month as a Director...  Sounds pretty bad to me.  Keep in mind, this is a DIRECTOR.  There are 3 levels below that...  1 directly below that is Marketing III which only makes $557 per year!  Guess what?  That guy is losing $$ Yes, I know you're going to tell me that the purchases are for stuff you use anyway... I'm pretty sure, I don't need to spend $60 a month for crap I don't use.  Especially, if it is overpriced... (not saying it is.  But it could be...). If you REALLY believe this is such a great way to make money, please post all your costs, fees, bonuses, revenue, etc.  Also post some products and their prices so we can compare if these products are worth it or just junk.  
9/24/2012 10:12:24 AM I would love to see the math on your "business"...  $$ Spent Since Joining - $$ Earned Since Joining = (A)# Hours Spent since Joining = (B)  If (A) > 0 then "Congrats, you made some money"ELSE IF (A) < 0 then "Too bad, you are in the hole"END IF Hourly Rate (C) = (A) / (B). IF (C) > Minimum Wage then "Congrats, you make more than working at McD" ELSE IF (C) < Minimum Wage then "You are in the hole."END IF Oh, one more thing... how much of the $$ you are gonna make is from a source other than from friends and family?
9/20/2012 8:09:03 AM Funny how I have to prove my statement while slidur is free to say it is a great company? If you want to continue this conversation you should read about MLMs before asking stupid questions.  the statistics of MLM show that the majority of people end up losing money.  Period.  End of story.  In fact, I'd bet slidur is in the hole right now too. http://mlm-thetruth.com/research/mlm-statistics/shocking-stats/ check out Melaleuca's success rate.  An amazing 0.13%.  With 99.87% of people LOSING money with Melaleuca, I would assume that you'd agree Melaleuca should not say that you can "contribute to household income" and that "Melaleuca can make that possible".   How about this one?  "At Melaleuca, we're helping families secure their retirement, pay for children's education, get out of debt, and find security in the second half of their life."  You can't ethically make these kinds of statements when you KNOW 99.87% of people will NEVER get this.
9/14/2012 6:24:57 AM Heliski is in New Zealand? I thought it was in Finland. Btw, how did you do your Google search? [/QUOTE] google image search.  you can enter a URL and it returns results of similar images 
9/12/2012 6:21:27 AM How did you come to your view of Christ? Do you think of him as just a prophet and not the eternal Son of God made flesh? Not the Savior of mankind? BTW, the scenery in your picture is beautiful. Where was it taken?[/QUOTE]Most likely muslim.  They view christ as a good guy but not god himself.[/QUOTE]Care to speculate on where the picture was taken? [/QUOTE] have no idea.  in the end mountains all look the same. edit: after a quick google search.  the picture is from methven heliski, new zealand   http://www.methvenheli.co.nz/about/index.html


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